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vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Alan Smithee posted:

Was it like the Shining but with a Winnie the Pooh suit

"Heeere's Winnie!"

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Horatius Bonar
Sep 8, 2011

Suspected foreign spy.

Of course Winnie the Pooh couldn't resist the honeypot.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Horatius Bonar posted:

Suspected foreign spy.

Of course Winnie the Pooh couldn't resist the honeypot.

:vince:

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Banned from both Chinas is going to become the new five piece suit.

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

it's pretty funny that one of the only things that the PRC and Taiwan have agreed on in decades is "This guy really sucks".

What on earth did you do?

That is hilarious, but my reality is not that impressive.

The rules/laws changed while I was there. (Six~ years). I was picked up at the airport for a traffic fine that I hadn't paid off.

I had a new job and was planning to pay the remainder of the balance of the ticket after payday.

I hadn't received a notice in the post to say that I was overdue or that a warrant was on me etc (I had just moved).

So, unawares, I had booked a ticket to celebrate my new job by visiting Malaysia to watch a motorbike race of a weekend (I think Marquez came 4th).

I was stopped at the border and unable to produce the entire fine on the spot, sentenced to serve the fine and then sent home.

I found out on my release that any number of people would have been happy to receive my call on a Saturday afternoon and help me make good a very small fine, including my then new manager.

But, once the hammer goes down, judgement is what it is, and that's all she wrote.

[img]i.imgur.com/gallery/ZDsyRwe.gif[/img]

url fucked around with this message at 01:44 on May 25, 2020

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru
Fwiw, it was the second fine in under one year (that being the change to the rule, not that it matters).

I was some hours shy of one year, and the police and I joked at it being very unfortunate.

Twice in one year has a significant multiplier effect.

I had paid two of three installments when collared at the airport.

To further elaborate, I had a radial fracture in my leg to contend with during the repayment schedule. That's why I had staggerred the payments and was looking for work.

I had scheduled a series of trips (for work and to meet family). I was stopped at the airport on a Friday night with a Wednesday paycheck due.

Kicked out of bad China was equally dumb, just a snowball of poo poo. One year later I'm still recovering from the mess.



Horatius Bonar posted:

Suspected foreign spy.

You should know I have used your story as a cautionary tale the past year.

quote:

Of course Winnie the Pooh couldn't resist the honeypot.

:golfclap:

url fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 25, 2020

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
We should sanction and embargo china and seize chinese assets.

No trade without refom!

hakimashou fucked around with this message at 01:54 on May 25, 2020

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

hakimashou posted:

We should sanction and embargo china and seize chinese assets.

Everything would break and stop working a couple days after we received them, then when we emailed China to complain, the email address would be invalid and we'd have some weird spyware installed.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
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I love you all
There have been at least two goons deported from good China and one actually was arrested once as a suspected foreign spy. Another goon's mom actually was deported as a foreign spy.

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

Atlas Hugged posted:

There have been at least two goons deported from good China and one actually was arrested once as a suspected foreign spy. Another goon's mom actually was deported as a foreign spy.

goons really are the illuminati, huh

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Dont Touch ME posted:

goons really are the illuminati, huh

They're terrible at it though. The one arrested as a spy literally just drove his scooter onto a navy base because the road was open and he thought there would be a good view for taking photos. He spent hours in handcuffs. He was eventually deported for completely unrelated reasons with a story similar to Url's. Pay your fines when abroad.

The mom attempted being a spy and was trying to get healthcare information out of Taiwan (I think abortion records maybe?) during the White Terror and she accidentally mailed her drop to the wrong address. She was given amnesty after the democratization and lives there as a professor now.

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

it's crazy to me that people get deported for not paying fines, but "working illegally for years and years" seems to be a pretty low-risk thing to do.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
One of my great uncles was a doctor affiliated with the United Church of Canada who was stationed in Chongqing during WW2 and the Chinese Civil War and treated both Communist and Nationalist soldiers

This ended up being a problem when the war ended and he was imprisoned by the Communists for a few years for being a "spy" before being unceremoniously deported back to Canada

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Magna Kaser posted:

it's crazy to me that people get deported for not paying fines, but "working illegally for years and years" seems to be a pretty low-risk thing to do.

No idea about Bad China, but Good China cracked down hard on working illegally back in like 2008 or 2009. They didn't eliminate it, but they certainly made the penalties on the locals much harsher to make the risk not worth it. It used to be much more common for people on tourist visas to work at a buxiban and to do visa runs. Most people who work illegally now are doing it on student visas, but even that isn't super common.

The actual illegal work that is super common is foreigners teaching kindergarten. It's openly done basically everywhere, but every now and then someone will report a school (either a disgruntled parent or a rival school) and officials will have to do a sweep. This is often why schools have unused areas to hide foreigners in. I've received loads of texts over the years from friends who are bored because they're locked in a room to avoid being caught teaching kindergarten. I taught kindergarten for years in Taiwan and our school never had an issue, but we were small time and flew under the radar. Still, all of these teachers have valid work permits.

coolusername
Aug 23, 2011

cooltitletext

Atlas Hugged posted:

The actual illegal work that is super common is foreigners teaching kindergarten. It's openly done basically everywhere, but every now and then someone will report a school (either a disgruntled parent or a rival school) and officials will have to do a sweep. This is often why schools have unused areas to hide foreigners in. I've received loads of texts over the years from friends who are bored because they're locked in a room to avoid being caught teaching kindergarten. I taught kindergarten for years in Taiwan and our school never had an issue, but we were small time and flew under the radar. Still, all of these teachers have valid work permits.

I got caught in a sweep! I had a valid work permit for the company and was legal, but was on a different site to my normal site when it happened, and it was a hot mess that had to be sorted out with company fines, days of getting dragged into the PSB and asked questions while they didn't give my passport back and lots of angry manager demanding the cops return their laowai.

My favourite bit was the bit where no one bothered to feed me and no one could speak English and everyone just spoke the local dialect so I sat in an interrogation room (it had wooden board manacles chair what the gently caress, etc) by myself for hours and constantly had confused heads poking in and whispering "美国人?" at each other. But it's China so they were shout-whispering and I could hear everything in the corridor.


eta:
Actually no, my favourite bit is the bit where they did a sweep of a different site and refused to believe that the black American teacher was American, not African, and apparently wanted to arrest him, and it was a big fight until they called back the office to confirm that America had black people.

Bad China... is Bad.

coolusername fucked around with this message at 05:12 on May 25, 2020

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Fojar38 posted:

One of my great uncles was a doctor affiliated with the United Church of Canada who was stationed in Chongqing during WW2 and the Chinese Civil War and treated both Communist and Nationalist soldiers

This ended up being a problem when the war ended and he was imprisoned by the Communists for a few years for being a "spy" before being unceremoniously deported back to Canada

Considering how the Maoists treated anyone with a PH.D house, he got off pretty lightly.

Not mocking, just a case of Jesus Christ that could have ended so much worse.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

WarpedNaba posted:

Considering how the Maoists treated anyone with a PH.D house, he got off pretty lightly.

Not mocking, just a case of Jesus Christ that could have ended so much worse.

The fact that he also treated Communist soldiers and was foreign were probably the only things that saved him

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

coolusername posted:


eta:
Actually no, my favourite bit is the bit where they did a sweep of a different site and refused to believe that the black American teacher was American, not African, and apparently wanted to arrest him, and it was a big fight until they called back the office to confirm that America had black people.

Bad China... is Bad.

drat, but also kinda lol

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

coolusername posted:

Bad China... is Bad.

Come now. It's *hilarious*!
(...as long as you don't think about it too much)

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

coolusername posted:

and it was a big fight until they called back the office to confirm that America had black people.

Bad China... is Bad.

like, is the basketball thing not even a baseline stereotype for some people there

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Atlas Hugged posted:

No idea about Bad China, but Good China cracked down hard on working illegally back in like 2008 or 2009. They didn't eliminate it, but they certainly made the penalties on the locals much harsher to make the risk not worth it. It used to be much more common for people on tourist visas to work at a buxiban and to do visa runs. Most people who work illegally now are doing it on student visas, but even that isn't super common.


I have one friend now who is going through a world of poo poo right now because he has been doing visa runs since 2018. He got his degree online from a university that doesn't exist anymore (as far as I can tell, was not a DeVry type but just a school fell apart normally) and the gov/consulate is not going to give him another work permit, even though he had one his first year here. The usual visa run path is through HK, but the gov. was shutting down most flights to there since January, so instead in March he went to Okinawa and came back. But then his job wouldn't let him come back to work for 3 weeks after he left the country, even after he got a negative test result back. Being non-salary like many buxiban jobs, that means he lost several weeks from new years, the delay in restarting classes from the initial outbreak, and several weeks from this, realistically about three months pay.

The Taiwanese gov. has been pretty good about these kinds of workers (meaning, the non-SE Asian workers, those dudes were hosed over hard. The funny thing is I read an article complaining about Vietnamese illegal factory workers, where they are stuck in Taiwan because the Vietnamese gov won't let them back into the country until this is over) and allowing people to get tourist visa extensions for the past few months.

Persiflagist
Mar 7, 2013
china sure is a weird place, huh?

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

GoutPatrol posted:

The Taiwanese gov. has been pretty good about these kinds of workers (meaning, the non-SE Asian workers, those dudes were hosed over hard. The funny thing is I read an article complaining about Vietnamese illegal factory workers, where they are stuck in Taiwan because the Vietnamese gov won't let them back into the country until this is over) and allowing people to get tourist visa extensions for the past few months.

These people are Vietnamese citizens, but they're not allowed back into Vietnam?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

GoutPatrol posted:

I have one friend now who is going through a world of poo poo right now because he has been doing visa runs since 2018. He got his degree online from a university that doesn't exist anymore (as far as I can tell, was not a DeVry type but just a school fell apart normally) and the gov/consulate is not going to give him another work permit, even though he had one his first year here. The usual visa run path is through HK, but the gov. was shutting down most flights to there since January, so instead in March he went to Okinawa and came back. But then his job wouldn't let him come back to work for 3 weeks after he left the country, even after he got a negative test result back. Being non-salary like many buxiban jobs, that means he lost several weeks from new years, the delay in restarting classes from the initial outbreak, and several weeks from this, realistically about three months pay.

The Taiwanese gov. has been pretty good about these kinds of workers (meaning, the non-SE Asian workers, those dudes were hosed over hard. The funny thing is I read an article complaining about Vietnamese illegal factory workers, where they are stuck in Taiwan because the Vietnamese gov won't let them back into the country until this is over) and allowing people to get tourist visa extensions for the past few months.

I'm actually surprised someone even looks into the status of universities and the validity of degrees.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Atlas Hugged posted:

I'm actually surprised someone even looks into the status of universities and the validity of degrees.

Yeah me too.

Like this would almost never happen in the US lol.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
You think the Vienameses are bad, there are still some ( a few hundred) Taiwanese citizens who are still stuck in Wuhan because the taiwanese government put all of the Wuhan taiwanese on a blacklist and no Taiwanese airline can sell them tickets. There were 2 repatriation flights from Wuhan to TW but some Taiwanese didn't make it. Some of them are just students who went to Wuhan visiting grandparents or whatever during the Chinese new year.

Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer

Atlas Hugged posted:

I'm actually surprised someone even looks into the status of universities and the validity of degrees.

I'm trying to apply to teach online for a Chinese company, and I've been dealing with their "help" service for over a month now over my masters degree because it says "Herr [my name]" since I earned it in Germany, and they don't believe it's my name.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

BrainDance posted:

These people are Vietnamese citizens, but they're not allowed back into Vietnam?
mandatory quarantine

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Atlas Hugged posted:

I'm actually surprised someone even looks into the status of universities and the validity of degrees.

There was a big shakeup in... 2017 maybe?
Full confirmation, everything digital, national info sharing, etc.
Unsecured server with foreigner details including addresses etc that can be browsed by URL tweaking but that's normal for China.

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

I do like how china (briefly) banned entry from macau, HK and TW last month but then someone said "wait aren't they China???" and they went "oh, uh..." and let them enter again.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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I guess we're crossing the streams here because all of my stories/anecdotes on the last page have been from Good China (aka Taiwan).

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

Atlas Hugged posted:

I guess we're crossing the streams here because all of my stories/anecdotes on the last page have been from Good China (aka Taiwan).

i think 100% of my taiwanese friends would cringe at being referred to as "good china" lol they all want to just be Taiwan and want as much distance between them and "China" as possible. they don't even like to be called "Chinese" in English.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

stephenthinkpad posted:

You think the Vienameses are bad, there are still some ( a few hundred) Taiwanese citizens who are still stuck in Wuhan because the taiwanese government put all of the Wuhan taiwanese on a blacklist and no Taiwanese airline can sell them tickets. There were 2 repatriation flights from Wuhan to TW but some Taiwanese didn't make it. Some of them are just students who went to Wuhan visiting grandparents or whatever during the Chinese new year.

The second wave is rumbling in Bad China so :rip:.

evil_bunnY posted:

mandatory quarantine

Every "Clear" country is doing this. Doesn't matter what the test says, you sit your rear end down for 2 weeks. Vietnam's facilities are not great. Not in a diseased ridden way, just generally unpleasant with the heat and such which is quite the deterrent.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Magna Kaser posted:

i think 100% of my taiwanese friends would cringe at being referred to as "good china" lol they all want to just be Taiwan and want as much distance between them and "China" as possible. they don't even like to be called "Chinese" in English.

Yeah I would never actually use that phrase around Taiwanese people. It's just something that became common usage in this thread.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

BrainDance posted:

These people are Vietnamese citizens, but they're not allowed back into Vietnam?

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3939447

quote:

According to Chen, both of Taiwan's major carriers -- China Airlines and EVA Airways -- have been only able to carry passengers from destinations in Vietnam to Taiwan, but not the other way around.

This has caused issues for the Taiwanese government, Chen told the press after the briefing, because Vietnam has not agreed to requests from Taiwan to send back illegal workers caught in Taiwan since late January.

Taiwan only faces difficulties on this issue when it comes to Vietnam, since Thailand and Indonesia have both recently agreed to take back their countrymen caught working illegally in Taiwan, Chen said.

The total number of illegal Vietnamese workers detained in Taiwan has surpassed 700 as a result, as the Vietnamese government said it does not have the capacity for the required quarantine measures for these people, according to Chen.

Shadow0
Jun 16, 2008


If to live in this style is to be eccentric, it must be confessed that there is something good in eccentricity.

Grimey Drawer
While we're on the topic of boba tea, I have found the least efficient way to drink it:


from a can.

The can lid catches all the bubbles. :(

Strong evidence for the "'boba' is used in Asia" thesis though.

Also, hehe, "Lady 波霸"

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Shadow0 posted:

Strong evidence for the "'boba' is used in Asia" thesis though.

Doesn't count if they're only using it to flog the stuff to seppos

url
Apr 23, 2007

internet gnuru

Atlas Hugged posted:

There have been at least two goons deported from good China and one actually was arrested once as a suspected foreign spy. Another goon's mom actually was deported as a foreign spy.

Horatio posted maybe three posts above you

:/

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


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I love you all
Yeah I often forget people's user names.

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Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?

Atlas Hugged posted:

Yeah I would never actually use that phrase around Taiwanese people. It's just something that became common usage in this thread.

the good republic of china maybe

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