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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:I'd go one step further and say the DC2 ITR is the perfect FWD performance template that hasn't been bettered. I don't know if they released it in any other market but the Mazda Protege MP3 was really good for suspension tuning, along with the followup Mazdaspeed.
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smooth jazz posted:Any middle aged car enthusiast will look at the rubber bands they call tyres and recoil in horror at the tradeoff in ride quality. I have my doubts on that - they probably wont even bother to think about it.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:I have my doubts on that - they probably wont even bother to think about it. I know the first thing I do whenever I get a new car is pull off the wheels and get the smallest that will fit and stick tires with the biggest sidewall I can find on there. Gimme dat CUSHion
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Frond posted:The Legend had nothing to do with the Accord at the time, and arguably not now. The Integra was a worked over Civic. It certainly was not a luxury car even if it was marketed as one. Yeah, my bad. I forgot the Legend was on the platform shared with Rover. The Integra was brought over to fill out the line, and its origin in Japan was as an upmarket alternative to the Civic.
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I haven’t got to ride in or drive a CTR but there’s no way on earth it’s any harsher than my FoRS.
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I don't care about the ride of the rubber band 20s, I just care that they'll you would probably pop a tire before the first oil change (nearly every single long term review had that happen.)
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The reviews have also said the ride is pretty decent considering those tires, at least in comfort mode.
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bull3964 posted:I don't care about the ride of the rubber band 20s, I just care that they'll you would probably pop a tire before the first oil change (nearly every single long term review had that happen.) I’ve always wondered about this. I drove my Cayman on 20” wheels over awful downtown Philly streets for a year without damage. Seems like I may have been lucky?
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Residency Evil posted:I’ve always wondered about this. I drove my Cayman on 20” wheels over awful downtown Philly streets for a year without damage. Seems like I may have been lucky? Big issue is the 245/30 tires though.
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bull3964 posted:I don't care about the ride of the rubber band 20s, I just care that they'll you would probably pop a tire before the first oil change (nearly every single long term review had that happen.) Happened to me after about a year plus I broke a spoke on one of the other wheels just before 40,000 miles. It should have had 18s at the biggest for the US market.
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The biggest problem with the CTR isn't the tires, or the styling, it's the nightmare hell of trying to find and buy a highly desirable rare limited production model car from a dealership
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Wheeee posted:The biggest problem with the CTR isn't the tires, or the styling, it's the nightmare hell of trying to find and buy a highly desirable rare limited production model car from a dealership It's not 2017 anymore, you can find CTRs on lots and dealers aren't marking them up anymore. At least in my area.
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Well, that too. That's one of the reasons why I ended up with the Golf R (aside from just slightly too little equipment on the CTR), trying to get a CTR would have been an ordeal when I was able to just walk up and test drive and buy a Golf R at pretty much invoice.Neo_Crimson posted:It's not 2017 anymore, you can find CTRs on lots and dealers aren't marking them up anymore. At least in my area. Markups and dealer bullshit were still very much in play during mid 2019 when I was looking to buy. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 05:47 on May 26, 2020 |
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I've only drive a Golf R briefly but I think it had 235/35s on and didn't ride any better than a CTR. As for the CTR I like the exterior but the interior is a bit much - not the R specific bits but the basic Civic layout
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bull3964 posted:Big issue is the 245/30 tires though. Holy LOL that's literally two inches less sidewall than my Forester XT's 225/55s.
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dissss posted:I've only drive a Golf R briefly but I think it had 235/35s on and didn't ride any better than a CTR. it's maybe a bit angular, but what's wrong with the basic civic layout? seems pretty straightforward to me especially compared to prior generations.
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I actually really liked the Civic (Sport MT) layout, what I didn't like was the quality of materials. Very cheap lovely carpeting and seat material, and the plastics weren't much better than what was in my 2012 Scion.
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I hope y'all are talking about the Ruf CTR   Not particularly new but a car I like.
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bull3964 posted:Big issue is the 245/30 tires though. Holy poo poo. The tires on my m3 are balloons compared to that.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:it's maybe a bit angular, but what's wrong with the basic civic layout? seems pretty straightforward to me especially compared to prior generations. Nothing I can really put my finger on I just don't like it. I think it's a combination of too many buttons and too much going on in the gauge cluster - made me want to get straight back into my Mazda. On the Golf I didn't like how low down on the dashboard the screen was (although you can put nav into the main cluster which was pretty neat) but the overall effect is much cleaner. Also I though the seats were too wide in both cars - nothing at all like the older models.
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Probably nobody will care about this but since it is a new car news thread I just found out that Toyota discretely slipped AWD into their 2020 Camry. Sadly it can only be had in the 2.5L 4 Cyl model. The V6 is still a FWD car probably because the cost is already so high that you'd be hitting Lexus money if you did it that way.
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also the v6 take rate isn't high to begin with and that's yet another round of federalization
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Oddly enough that was the reason they did that the first time around with the All Trac.
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The Altima is available with AWD as well. A lot of current and recent midsize sedans in the US are actually available with AWD - Camry, Altima, Legacy, Fusion, old Chrysler 200, Regal...
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:also the v6 take rate isn't high to begin with and that's yet another round of federalization Why was the V6 not doing so well anyway?
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Kraftwerk posted:Why was the V6 not doing so well anyway? Nobody cares about extra power at the expense of fuel economy on a Camry.
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The four-banger's got enough power to get itself out of the way and then some while making good fuel economy numbers. I'm surprised Toyota hasn't axed the V6 in favor of making the hybrid give you more off-the-line grunt like Chrysler's eTorque mild hybrid system.Huge_Midget posted:I seriously do not understand why Acura has not gotten their hands on the CTR and took a hot iron to all of the drat creases and lines that makes it look like a goddamn Gundam and turn it into something that doesn’t look like a meth addict’s half finished origami project. Take a car that is by all accounts a very very nice sports compact and make it palatable for the late thirties owner that has a professional career and doesn’t want a car that screams boy racer. Someone's lost the keys to their 3-Series/A4.
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90s Solo Cup posted:Someone's lost the keys to their 3-Series/A4.  add me to the list of people that feels that same way about the Type R/its looks. As long as they’re selling though who cares?
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Residency Evil posted:
More seriously it’s probably because the ctr is made in the uk and they likely don’t want to be adding any new export products on that line since the uk is busy kneecapping itself economically.
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Kraftwerk posted:Why was the V6 not doing so well anyway? The jump to an Avalon is not that much more from a V6 Camry, and the Avalon is a significantly nicer place to be in than the Camry. And if you would like to reward yourself with a retirement present after a life spent in Toyotas, the Lexus ES is also an option.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Pictures of the new TLX have leaked from a presentation to Quebec dealers. This looks like a similar type of suspension setup that's on our LS. The car looks pretty good tho.
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I get a big Giulia vibe from that rear end, in a good way. Looks decent, not too flashy, will hold up over time.
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Is it my filthy mind or is that TLX center console actually really suggestive of women's anatomy?
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Murgos posted:Is it my filthy mind or is that TLX center console actually really suggestive of women's anatomy? thats a weird lookin vulva
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I would buy that new if it came as a wagon. Said without irony. 
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TLX looks like a Ridge Racer/Burnout version of an actual existing car.
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The new TLX looks great, but the estimated cost of $45,000 for the AWD type-s puts it in m car territory. I’d have to see the turbo v6 numbers, I guess.
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what m car are you buying for 45 grand and if you say the m235i gran coupe i will poo poo my self laughing
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Murgos posted:Is it my filthy mind or is that TLX center console actually really suggestive of women's anatomy? I have a pretty filthy mind but I'm more into titties and butts, not so much dissected ovaries and fallopian tubes in anatomy textbooks.
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