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I've been hearing from guys like Archwarhammer that" Space Marines already have black representation with the Salamanders," which just misses the point so loving much. What , do space marines practice segregation?
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May 26, 2020 18:00
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Nostraman chaos marines in the books have solid black eyes with no pupils and see in the dark. 40K lore is great for adding all sorts of weird customization and conversions and making it all fit. give your chaos Space Marines purple skin and call them the people eaters. It all flies. I'm glad that it feels like we're getting more diversity in the human factions, potentially female guard troop options, etc. I'm not sure it would ever really fit for the Imperium to have female Space Marines, but I think it would be really cool to have female chaos Space Marines. They're much more anything goes, and a little bit more desperate in many ways. New recruits come from the best available stock. Also, the CSM are less likely to be bogged down by silly questions about the integrity of the gene seed. I think it would be really Warhammery to have the Chaos Faction shown to be the more Progressive of the bunch.
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May 26, 2020 18:01
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Hihohe posted:I've been hearing from guys like Archwarhammer that" Space Marines already have black representation with the Salamanders," which just misses the point so loving much. What , do space marines practice segregation? arch is just chasing the outrage of twisted little chuds who want to get mad at 40K LOSING THE GRIMDARK SJW MARINES RARRGH, my main hope is that he falls in a well tbh
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May 26, 2020 18:02
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For the love of god, don't pay attention to that rear end in a top hat. Just pretend he doesn't exist, it's better that way.
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May 26, 2020 18:15
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I want an imperial guard update that looks like the old rt imperial army art with cadian/catachan/etc upgrade sprues
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May 26, 2020 18:22
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Maneck posted:Is it canonical or my head cannon that marine's skill tone changes depending on the environment? Yes, one of the new organs that are implanted as part of the process is the Melanchromic Organ; "This implant controls the amount of melanin in a Marine's skin. Exposure to high levels of sunlight will result in the Marine's skin darkening to compensate. It also protects the Marine from other forms of radiation." Basically a Space Marine is like a giant transition lens. This is kind of a questionable implant given that they spend most of their time in complete armor, and have way more pressing health issues than either skin cancer or vitamin D deficiency, but not really any weirder than their poisonous spit or second stomach. The Emperor really just went nuts with the changes. Note that this means that any Space Marine - even named characters! - can be depicted as basically any skin tone, because if Marneus Calgar or Ragnar Blackmane takes his helmet off on in the tropics he's auto-adjust to a darker skintone. So you can happily paint your Space Wolves with dark skin even though they're pulled from a weird frozen viking world. The exceptions would be Salamanders and Blood Ravens because of their specific geneseed issues. It also makes it kind of awkward and telling that it took so long for GW to actually start depicting any appreciable number of skintones in the models and art.
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May 26, 2020 18:26
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/26/new-rules-for-the-adeptus-mechanicusgw-homepage-post-3/ is it just me or is this the first time we've seen a "reduce the AP of an attack" ability?
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May 26, 2020 18:51
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Der Waffle Mous posted:is it just me or is this the first time we've seen a "reduce the AP of an attack" ability? Just you, check out thousand sons and salamanders.
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May 26, 2020 18:58
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Booley posted:Just you, check out thousand sons and salamanders. All is Dust is one of the things I had in mind because its functionally identical but works from the opposite direction. Salamanders just ignore AP-1.
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May 26, 2020 19:07
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Ashcans posted:Note that this means that any Space Marine - even named characters! - can be depicted as basically any skin tone, because if Marneus Calgar or Ragnar Blackmane takes his helmet off on in the tropics he's auto-adjust to a darker skintone. So you can happily paint your Space Wolves with dark skin even though they're pulled from a weird frozen viking world. The exceptions would be Salamanders and Blood Ravens because of their specific geneseed issues. I think one of the reasons you see so many monochromatic, light skin tone figures is people start out making their figures look "like the box", then once you learn to paint one kind of skin decently well it seems like a big challenge to learn to paint others. (Or you just want your army to look similar.) GW putting different types of people in their models and art is a big step towards making everyone show a greater degree of diversity in their forces.
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May 26, 2020 19:28
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Gameko posted:I think one of the reasons you see so many monochromatic, light skin tone figures is people start out making their figures look "like the box", then once you learn to paint one kind of skin decently well it seems like a big challenge to learn to paint others. (Or you just want your army to look similar.) GW putting different types of people in their models and art is a big step towards making everyone show a greater degree of diversity in their forces. GW also took a really long time to show people other skin tones. Most of the paint range with "skin" in the name runs from pale to slightly tanned. To do dark skin you basically have to take something named Dryad Bark. It's one of those microaggressions like how band aids tended to be colored as to not stand out on caucasian skin tones, no offense was intended but it belays a serious blindspot in diversity.
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May 26, 2020 19:47
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It's wild that painting pasty white people is the default given how much easier black and brown skin is to paint when every single motherfucking white skin tone paint is runny, thin, watery bullshit.
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May 26, 2020 20:01
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spectralent posted:It's wild that painting pasty white people is the default given how much easier black and brown skin is to paint when every single motherfucking white skin tone paint is runny, thin, watery bullshit. I was blown away by how easy it was once I saw you can basically do it with some Dryad Bark and Drukhi Violet. I mostly play Undead factions in Age of Sigmar so skintones are rarely an issue but in the times I've had to it makes a diverse group of people easy.
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May 26, 2020 20:03
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RagnarokAngel posted:I was blown away by how easy it was once I saw you can basically do it with some Dryad Bark and Drukhi Violet. I mostly play Undead factions in Age of Sigmar so skintones are rarely an issue but in the times I've had to it makes a diverse group of people easy. I've been painting an obscene amount of 15mm guys for north africa and middle eastern theatres, and it's just astonishingly easy compared to trying to get pale skin looking anything better than okay. You can do great middle eastern skin tone with brown drab/tan earth (probably about Steel Legion Drab?) and mix it with sand yellow (probably about tallarn sand). Though you sure do see the microaggression thing when you go "Yeah, highlight the tallarn guy's skin with a mix of the brown paint and sand colour...".
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May 26, 2020 20:11
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The whiteness of Warhammer models also probably owes to the kind of latent bias where you, like, paint "flesh" roughly the color of your own skin by default. The UK is 87% white, the US 72%, and Germany something like 89%; a lot of the biggest markets for the game are very white countries. I'm glad they're depicting more diversity, though.
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May 26, 2020 20:15
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Steel Legion Drab by itself works as a pretty good skin tone I've discovered. The lighting is kinda bad for the shot but the skin was just Steel Legion drab with Baneblade Brown as highlight. Although next time I might just try Tallarn Sand.
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May 26, 2020 20:17
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I would buy a paint set that was just a range of skin tone triads. Base, shade, highlight.
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May 26, 2020 20:27
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I would buy a paint set that was just a range of skin tone triads. Base, shade, highlight. I wonder how many honky armies are caused by the painter only having the right shades for whitey
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May 26, 2020 20:28
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One nice thing about Reaper's paints is that since they introduced the Master Series paints, they've been really good at having a wide variety of skin tones labeled as such. Their Dark Skin triad is particularly good.
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May 26, 2020 20:29
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for me at least I initially painted my dude's skin to be like a light tan mostly because my hand and fingers are literally right there to compare color to. There wasn't much else thought going into other than "now I have to do this 80 more times" lol
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May 26, 2020 20:30
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Cooked Auto posted:Steel Legion Drab by itself works as a pretty good skin tone I've discovered. You want to mix it, to be clear; medium-browns and tanner yellows go really well for lightening the shade without having that weird corpse-y effect you get if you just use white. At least such was my discovery! Maybe you won't like the effect so much but I swear by it at this point for painting dozens of tiny guys.
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May 26, 2020 20:32
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learning subdermal color zones is how you get your mugs lookin' real nice
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May 26, 2020 20:36
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Improbable Lobster posted:I wonder how many honky armies are caused by the painter only having the right shades for whitey This was my Imperial guard army when i had it.
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May 26, 2020 20:39
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to make up for this my eldar are gonna have a lot of darker tones.
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May 26, 2020 20:41
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Alternative take. Helmets on everyone!
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May 26, 2020 21:14
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spectralent posted:You want to mix it, to be clear; medium-browns and tanner yellows go really well for lightening the shade without having that weird corpse-y effect you get if you just use white. The world of mixing goes on and on. You can use something reddish-yellow to keep the dark tones rich or add a touch of blue to simulate reflection from the sky. Grab all your skin tone painting recipes from the Goonhammer's Guide to Painting Human Skin.
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May 26, 2020 21:20
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spectralent posted:At least such was my discovery! Maybe you won't like the effect so much but I swear by it at this point for painting dozens of tiny guys. It's fine, I was just going off a skin painting tutorial in that case and wanted to try it because I didn't just want to make her caucasian. Admittedly I am bad at making paints go on smoothly so it probably made it a look a bit worse. Floppychop posted:Alternative take. Helmets on everyone! Hard to do that with IG. Even if that was my goal when I first painted my Blood Raven Marines, although nowadays I'm far more willing to test various skin tone recipes and see how it goes. (Usually not that great.)
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May 26, 2020 21:29
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Floppychop posted:Alternative take. Helmets on everyone! When I couldn't afford to buy paint very often I did this because I only had the paint for "lily white"
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May 26, 2020 21:45
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I like pointing at my 40 scions and saying “they’re all women of color” and judging the other guy’s reaction
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May 26, 2020 22:07
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Booley posted:He's "nazi flags hanging on his bedroom walls" guy. I randomly wandered into archammer when looking for something to tell my wife about necromunda... i can barely stand listening to this limey bitch fest complain about unrelated lore because of the writer. It's like a GW version of a Dr Who fan. The nazi part is just piss icing on a poo poo cake.
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May 26, 2020 22:24
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From what I've heard he's from Norway but I could be wrong. 
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May 26, 2020 22:26
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Just a note on the marine on the book cover, He has a gray chevron on his shoulder, making him a grey shield, correct? does that mean Cawl could of picked him up from anywhere, or was he a space marine 10,000 years ago? I really don't get the stupid whinging considering Jonas from Dawn Of War exists, unless these Chuds still go "Lalala Blood Ravens don't exist" even after they got into the codex and got a model in a box game. Regarding Necrons: any chance the tall walkers are new ghost ark/ annihilation barge models? Any good speculations on the guy hiding behind the monolith, I've watched a few analysis videos and no one seems to notice him?
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May 26, 2020 22:29
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spectralent posted:It's wild that painting pasty white people is the default given how much easier black and brown skin is to paint when every single motherfucking white skin tone paint is runny, thin, watery bullshit. I find it much, much easier to get Caucasian skin tones to display quality than dark skin tones. It is really difficult to highlight dark skin enough to be visually interesting, without it becoming something inhuman. Its not impossible, but it isn't easier.
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May 26, 2020 22:32
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In case you missed it GW held an extended Q&A session about 9th edition and one of the folks at Goonhammer transcribed the whole thing: https://twitter.com/PrimarisKevin/status/1265358863244627974
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May 26, 2020 22:36
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Cooked Auto posted:In case you missed it GW held an extended Q&A session about 9th edition and one of the folks at Goonhammer transcribed the whole thing: Goonhammer is really the coolest thing since Portent was Portent.
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May 26, 2020 23:23
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Cooked Auto posted:In case you missed it GW held an extended Q&A session about 9th edition and one of the folks at Goonhammer transcribed the whole thing: 9E seems like it's going to tick nearly every box on my wishlist. Really looking forward to some sensible terrain rules, no more getting sniped through tiny gaps in ruins, or three-storey monsters being unable to hit things below their eye level.
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May 26, 2020 23:32
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Mugaaz posted:I find it much, much easier to get Caucasian skin tones to display quality than dark skin tones. It is really difficult to highlight dark skin enough to be visually interesting, without it becoming something inhuman. Its not impossible, but it isn't easier. I can believe that; at really expert levels I bet thin paints are really good for getting multiple layers of highlights and the wateryness lets you do good blends. But, I suck at painting and have a gazillion guys to paint so something that looks decent at 2-3 steps is my ideal, and I've never managed that with pink-white tones and found it trivial with dark tones.
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May 26, 2020 23:53
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Players receiving the same amount of CP dependant on game size is cool, but then the comments on 'playing with what you want to take not what you have to take' is a tad concerning for competitive play. If both players have the same amount of CP but one is 2000pts of lord discordants and one is a 2000pt Marine list with some sort of balance, that seems uh - not great.
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May 26, 2020 23:54
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Yeast posted:Players receiving the same amount of CP dependant on game size is cool, but then the comments on 'playing with what you want to take not what you have to take' is a tad concerning for competitive play. Maybe the Rule of Three sticks around? I wouldn't want to face a list like that.
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a witch posted:Maybe the Rule of Three sticks around? I wouldn't want to face a list like that. Yeah I bet some version of rule of 3 will exist. It’s awesome not having to take battalions for CP, but it did kind of add a novel dimension to list building. Because of the opportunity costs. Now it seems even more straightforward to just take the best units. Also, there are caps on dice modifiers! That’s neat.
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