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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Corrode posted:

There's no defined standard of "tournament legal" it just comes down to individual TOs. I doubt anyone would say yes to the cardboard Ork or whatever.

Honestly the biggest issue probably isn't that it's a cutout, it's that it's probably a quarter of the size of a modern Ork dreadnought and is on a 28mm base. I guess you could rebase it appropriately and be generous with the profile for LOS and stuff, but it would be a headache for people to deal with.

I wonder if anyone out there has an old Marine army with beakies and the potato dreadnoughts that they actually have managed to use in competitive games.

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Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Our very own SRM has a classic Rogue Trader Marine army. They're not that rare, mostly people are cool with it because the kind of guy who's gonna go all out sourcing every last model from 1988 is not the kind of guy who's going to be an ultracompetitive dickhead gunning for top tables with gotchas.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Corrode posted:

Our very own SRM has a classic Rogue Trader Marine army. They're not that rare, mostly people are cool with it because the kind of guy who's gonna go all out sourcing every last model from 1988 is not the kind of guy who's going to be an ultracompetitive dickhead gunning for top tables with gotchas.

Besides, it takes more than just being a few mm shorter to make Tactical Marines competitive in the post-Primaris era of 40k.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011
For that matter, successfully constructing a competitive list using only rogue era models would be a feat unto itself.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/27/new-rules-for-chaos-knights/

If you're someone who loves evil stompy robots the Chaos Knight rules got posted earlier.

TURGID TOMFOOLERY
Nov 1, 2019

Cooked Auto posted:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/27/new-rules-for-chaos-knights/

If you're someone who loves evil stompy robots the Chaos Knight rules got posted earlier.

None of the previewed things really jumps out at me as super strong. But a couple certainly seem fun!

Genghis Cohen
Jun 29, 2013

OhDearGodNo posted:

As a White Scars player this is a similar issue with what I go through, I have to pay a tax to fill out a Battalion and be competitive with CP, and then create an outrider detachment to fit both the bikes and Inceptors.

Proper balance would be similar to 4th, where I could substitute troops for FA, and drop my HS slots maybe down to one (or even none)

The kicker is that White Scars are an extremely CP heavy army to play, and often need to stack multiple strats. Oh and add in the fact that the right doctrine doesn’t even begin until turn 3.

Yeah, very much the same. Will be great to be less constrained, but maybe it will also lead to more people taking armies of nothing but heavy firepower units and smashing anything else off the table, who knows.

Rule of 3 is another slightly frustrating one as it currently stands. I'm pretty much ok with Windriders/Spears/Vypers but if I went up to 2k games (I'd rather stab myself with a rusty fork) I'd probably want more Windrider units. For White Scars I imagine you very much want more than 3 bike units, even with combat squads.

ffoecaf
Sep 17, 2005

Get Off My Lawn
It did say that you have to spend CP for detachments, so maybe it'll be a case where detachments requiring troops are cheaper than those that don't.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Genghis Cohen posted:

Rule of 3 is another slightly frustrating one as it currently stands. I'm pretty much ok with Windriders/Spears/Vypers but if I went up to 2k games (I'd rather stab myself with a rusty fork) I'd probably want more Windrider units. For White Scars I imagine you very much want more than 3 bike units, even with combat squads.

That's right. Some carve outs from the rule of 3 could have helped specialist army lists. That is, idea being that in exchange for building from a much narrower list of units, certain of those non-troops units would count as troops. Bikes for White Scars and Ravenwing, Terminators for Deathwing, Jet Bikes etc. for Saim-Hann, Wraith Consturcts for Iyanden and so on.

Didn't happen in 8th. No hint it'll happen in 9th. :shrug: Not really a big deal.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
I did like the phase back when I was last playing where special characters unlocked certain units as troops. Like sure all terminator formations do exist, but they don't happen often so they are only going to bee seen when someone special is leading them.

Doesn't really sit well with "build the list you want to build" they mentioned a few times. Hopefully there's some sort of reason to take troops other than objective secured, but let's see.

TURGID TOMFOOLERY
Nov 1, 2019

It will be exciting to see how they balance “take what you want” with “taking units so armies look like armies”

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


ffoecaf posted:

Yeah I think I'll still be taking similar amounts of Intercessors and guardsmen even if I don't have to.

On a hobby front, painted my first ork this weekend






Nice!

They knew Assault Intercessors were going to be A Thing when they sculpted this mini, right?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Maneck posted:

For that matter, successfully constructing a competitive list using only rogue era models would be a feat unto itself.

A challenge I've found rewarding is using / converting retro models into modern lists. I'll pick a year and then try to kitbash or proxy units using only models from the wrong era.

Like right now I'm using 4e Dark Elves and 3e Dark Eldar to make an 8th ed WHFB force. An old Mandrake blaster gets a crossbow bit and he becomes a suitable Shade, for example.

It would probably be stupid expensive to do this with Rogue Trader figures, but I'd love to see what people could come up with using 2nd / 3rd ed space marines.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Has anyone bought stuff from war-tablegames.com before? They have some good discounts on there site.

Tommu
Aug 4, 2019

O vanity of Sleep, Hope, Dream, endless Desire,
The Horses of Disaster plunge in the heavy clay

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Has anyone bought stuff from war-tablegames.com before? They have some good discounts on there site.

They are recasts be warned

Arven
Sep 23, 2007

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Has anyone bought stuff from war-tablegames.com before? They have some good discounts on there site.

They're recasts. Read the reviews.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

ffoecaf posted:

Yeah I think I'll still be taking similar amounts of Intercessors and guardsmen even if I don't have to.

On a hobby front, painted my first ork this weekend







I love the skin tone on this dude, what's the rough process/colors you used on it?

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
[REDACTED]
So I'm having a problem with my Impulsor assembly and getting all the pieces seated correctly -- specifically, the problem I'm having is with the seats. The two interior side pieces with the seats sculpted into them are riding a bit high, producing a gap:





Which has a knockoff effect elsewhere:




I think the problem is with these four pieces not fitting into their brackets:




You can see I've done some sanding to try to make the fits a bit less tight. I've also carved one side down a bit but I'm having trouble doing it evenly enough to produce the desired effect:



Anyone else run into this problem and have a solution? Like, am I misjudging which bits need to be filed/sanded down?

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Quick question I can't get answered using google, which 40k army has the smallest armory/weapons list?

OhDearGodNo
Jan 3, 2014

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Quick question I can't get answered using google, which 40k army has the smallest armory/weapons list?

Harlequins probably- at least the most limited.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Custodes maybe? At least a pure Custodes list I'm sure has not that many weapons to pick from.

Der Waffle Mous
Nov 27, 2009

In the grim future, there is only commerce.
Knights, both Grey and Big are probably on that list.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I think technically it could be the 40k version of the Kill Team Rogue Traders or Gellerpox Infected. (The BSF chaos or inquisitor "army" might also be the smallest. )

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

JollyBoyJohn posted:

Quick question I can't get answered using google, which 40k army has the smallest armory/weapons list?

Probably custodes.

Grey Knights maybe, and Harlequins, as well as the Knights chaos/imperial.

Der Waffle Mous
Nov 27, 2009

In the grim future, there is only commerce.

moths posted:

I think technically it could be the 40k version of the Kill Team Rogue Traders or Gellerpox Infected. (The BSF chaos or inquisitor "army" might also be the smallest. )

I dunno, Acolytes got access to a surprisingly large amount of weapons.

Though if you're thining along those lines, Assassins, too.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Oops, I forgot that BSF is a different rogue trader, not an Inquisitor.

ffoecaf
Sep 17, 2005

Get Off My Lawn

Spanish Manlove posted:

I love the skin tone on this dude, what's the rough process/colors you used on it?

Happy to share.

I followed a rough version of https://youtu.be/uhDgNiEiYXI except I painted with a brush instead of an airbrush. I also tried to apply the paint like in Darran Lathams light skin tutorial.

It was pretty much just a ton of glazed layers. Base coated black.

I also only had half the colors he did so mixed my own. I also did mixes of the colors below to smooth transitions. Usually only needed 1 layer of this.

1) Didn't have the ink, so this was a mix of Rhinox Hide and Druchii violet in a 3:1ish mix. I also did a half measure of Phoenician Purple. Did 2-3 thin coats.

2) I didn't have doombull, so I did a mix of 50/50 catachan flesh and mephiston red. This wasn't quite right so I added small amounts of Rhinox until I was happy. Probably ended up a little darker than doombull. 3ish layers

3) No steel legion drab, so mixed up an approximation with zandri dust and rhinox hide. It was about 50/50 but I had to play with it a bit. 3ish layers

I shaded the whole face with a 50/50 mix of agrax and lamian medium after this step

4) 50/50 mix of 2 and 3. 3ish layers

5) 50/50 mix of Ushtabi bone and 4. Used this only on the sharpest highlights, and 1-2 layers.

I went a little too strong on the highlights so ended up doing a very thin wash of a mix of 1 and 2 over the whole face to balance them out.

It sounds like a lot of work writing it out but it took only an hour or so and would probably be even easier on a full body instead of just a face.

I did a mix of 2 and dawnstone for the stubble on the side of the head as well as a bit of red-brown ink in the scar.

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
[REDACTED]

Stephenls posted:

So I'm having a problem with my Impulsor assembly and getting all the pieces seated correctly -- specifically, the problem I'm having is with the seats. The two interior side pieces with the seats sculpted into them are riding a bit high, producing a gap:

<snip rest of post>

UPDATE IT WAS THESE MOTHERFUCKERS.

Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry

Stephenls posted:

UPDATE IT WAS THESE MOTHERFUCKERS.



Glad you found that, these small but noticeable gaps can drive me nuts

Gunder
May 22, 2003

Stephenls posted:

UPDATE IT WAS THESE MOTHERFUCKERS.



What exactly are those things? It’s kinda hard to tell in the photo.

Stephenls
Feb 21, 2013
[REDACTED]

Gunder posted:

What exactly are those things? It’s kinda hard to tell in the photo.

They're nothing. They're two bits of the sculpt that are hidden in the interior space between the outer hull of the Impulsor and the backs of the seats, but they're engineered by default as corners on the back of the seat piece that rest on a little ledge on the back of the hull pieces. Carving them down like that costs no detail but does eliminate a contact point that wasn't fitting right.

JackMann
Aug 11, 2010

Secure. Contain. Protect.
Fallen Rib


Makin' a smash captain and hoping smash captains aren't bad in 9th.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





JackMann posted:



Makin' a smash captain and hoping smash captains aren't bad in 9th.

Lookin' good!

He'll probably be fine, especially since they said in the Q&A that they're trying to boost Assault by toning down Overwatch, and I hear there's a new general strat that anyone can use to keep an enemy unit from leaving combat with you. Only thing that could really hurt you is if they jack the points even higher. That 40pt you're laying out for the Thunder Hammer is huge, so if it goes up any higher (like they make the Storm Shield more expensive on characters or something) the point economy could screw you, but otherwise it's still a rock solid choice in most Marine armies.

Strelok604
Apr 26, 2020



Maulerfiend numero deux, so that at least one of them actually makes it to combat

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/28/new-rules-for-imperial-knights

For the less evil stompy robots now up.

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





Warhammer Community posted:

Do the dice gods desert you when you’re rolling for the number of shots with your Armiger autocannons?*

* In many ways that’s your own fault for believing in the dice gods rather than the God-Emperor.

Okay, you got me, that IS my fault.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
In anticipation of 9th ed giving us close combat marines and devastators, ive been going through the first Badab War book again for inspiration. I forgot how good that book was. I wish Black Library would give it a Horus Heresy treatment, but that probably won't happen. Hopefully one of these days I can get the second book without having to sell a kidney.

In any case, im very excited for the new shield marines and I think im going to do a test model for a Fire Angel.

raverrn
Apr 5, 2005

Unidentified spacecraft inbound from delta line.

All Silpheed squadrons scramble now!


Auto-hits on your Warden on his last damage profile or against Flyers is going to be a huge boon.

Zuul the Cat
Dec 24, 2006

Grimey Drawer
Added an XV86 Coldstar Commander to my T'au!

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ffoecaf
Sep 17, 2005

Get Off My Lawn
I think that the Thin Their Ranks strat just revealed how blast weapons will work too. Max hits if the unit is as equal or greater than max shots

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