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Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Chomp8645 posted:

It's true Skyrim is not as good as Morrowind or Oblivion, but you can still get some enjoyment out of it. Mostly because it has the most expansive mods by far!



Imagine playing unmodded Skyrim lol.

imagine? i bought it at release!!!

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poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



really though who wouldn't want to mod henry cavill into the witcher 3



e: almost makes me want to reinstall the witcher 3

poverty goat fucked around with this message at 00:09 on May 28, 2020

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

3D Megadoodoo posted:

Are all game modification websites still absolutely terrible or are they worse? (Can't imagine them improving because the people who made them are obviously sociopaths)

Imagine a person being like "pornhub isn't just for porn, they have all sorts of content that's not pornographic" and you'll be approximating a person who regularly uses modding sites

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

unpopular opinion: E3 may have had its downsides and it definitely became worse as the years went on, but it's still a net positive and the industry as well as gamers will be worse off if it dies

SoR Blaze
Apr 12, 2006

Mr Interweb posted:

unpopular opinion: E3 may have had its downsides and it definitely became worse as the years went on, but it's still a net positive and the industry as well as gamers will be worse off if it dies

How so?

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



I've enjoyed mocking E3 through the years. Remember when they annouced the xbone and it was going to be a cable box? Classic. I wonder what Todd Howard was going to lie about this year.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

poverty goat posted:

I've enjoyed mocking E3 through the years. Remember when they annouced the xbone and it was going to be a cable box?

New game console features:

- TV
- Sports
- Games????

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Games? We have Kinect, and having fun with Kinect isn’t just guaranteed, it’s mandatory.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

jokes posted:

Games? We have Kinect, and having fun with Kinect isn’t just guaranteed, it’s mandatory.

It is good that the kinect is fun seeing as it's a totally integrated component of the xbox and quite inseparably by any means.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


jokes posted:

Games? We have Kinect, and having fun with Kinect isn’t just guaranteed, it’s mandatory.

The recession basically froze console development for some years until Microsoft was leading in with Kinectimals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va-NXzhciVM

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Chomp8645 posted:

It is good that the kinect is fun seeing as it's a totally integrated component of the xbox and quite inseparably by any means.

Can’t remove the Kinect it’s an absolutely necessary component of the Xbox. Stop asking us about it, you’re gonna love petting the tiger, and there’s zero way to remove it.

Anyways, here’s the cheaper Kinect-less version.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦
Biggest lie: No watercooler integration. Like, what the gently caress! That was a major selling point!

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Sodomy Hussein posted:

The recession basically froze console development for some years until Microsoft was leading in with Kinectimals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va-NXzhciVM

Every time you watch it over the years, it just gets so much weirder.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004


poverty goat posted:

I've enjoyed mocking E3 through the years. Remember when they annouced the xbone and it was going to be a cable box? Classic. I wonder what Todd Howard was going to lie about this year.

for one thing, without e3, there's no e3 to mock. did you ever think of THAT?

i give you exhibit A:

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax
It's funny to think about how many billions of dollars were wasted in developing and supporting Kinect, a gimmicky, overly complicated unpopular platform that died very quickly. I bet VR would have never caught on without Microsoft taking huge gambles on Kinect though.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

It's funny to think about how many billions of dollars were wasted in developing and supporting Kinect, a gimmicky, overly complicated unpopular platform that died very quickly. I bet VR would have never caught on without Microsoft taking huge gambles on Kinect though.

So Kinect was succeeded by another money-burning gimmick but at least the second one was predominantly borne by MS's competitors.

Outpost22
Oct 11, 2012

RIP Screamy You were too good for this world.
Don't forget it was supposed to watch you in your living room at all times.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

The Kinect 1.0 was the most successful console attachment of all time with like 30% of all 360 users getting one. It made a shitload of money.

The issue is Kinect 2.0 hosed up an entire console generation for ms.

SIDS Vicious
Jan 1, 1970


Barudak posted:

The Kinect 1.0 was the most successful console attachment of all time with like 30% of all 360 users getting one. It made a shitload of money.

The issue is Kinect 2.0 hosed up an entire console generation for ms.

Wasn't that because of it being bundled with almost every single unit after it was released though?

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

poverty goat posted:

I wonder what Todd Howard was going to lie about this year.

I don't know if this unpopular so much as it is obtuse but Fallout 4 is the worst game I've ever beaten. I have a hard time telling if it's better or worse than Outer Worlds, which was just a bad game I stopped playing.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



the problem with the end of e3 is that the industry won't ever stop huffing its own farts, but now it'll be done in secret, with all the excesses that entails

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Sid Vicious posted:

Wasn't that because of it being bundled with almost every single unit after it was released though?

Partly, but it sold insanely well on its own and the bundles represented an uptick in console sales not just maintenance of existing numbers. If you have an attachment people buy bundled over trying to buy unbundled its a pretty successful attachment, you are moving more consoles especially that late in the life cycle.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

Khanstant posted:

I don't know if this unpopular so much as it is obtuse but Fallout 4 is the worst game I've ever beaten. I have a hard time telling if it's better or worse than Outer Worlds, which was just a bad game I stopped playing.

i don't know how they made Outer Worlds resemble a fun game but it was just so boring. Everything about it was so lame.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



If you remove everything related to the main storyline in fallout 4, you're left with a functional open world bethesda game full of dumb bullshit in scenic locations running the full gamut of bethesda off-storyline content, which at its best is always better than the main plot. If you perform the same surgery on the bad storyline of the outer worlds you're left with an empty game world with no NPCs and nothing to do. Fallout 4 wins, easily, because it's borderline salvagable like any other bethesda game

poverty goat fucked around with this message at 02:19 on May 28, 2020

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.

poverty goat posted:

If you remove everything related to the main storyline in fallout 4, you're left with a functional open world bethesda game full of dumb bullshit in scenic locations running the full gamut of bethesda off-storyline content, which at its best is always better than the main plot. If you perform the same surgery on the bad storyline of the outer worlds you're left with an empty game world with no NPCs and nothing to do. Fallout 4 wins, easily, because it's borderline salvagable like any other bethesda game

Fallout 4 was probably the first Bethesda game that wasn't salvagable at all. I know everyone hates Bethesda games now, but not even mods could save Fallout 4. I wasn't even 10 hours in before I realized that all the quests were "go to this buiilding, clear it, come back" without any stakes or worldbuilding whatsoever. The only thing that was fun about it was having the pip boy menu on my ipad while I played.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

Fallout 4 was probably the first Bethesda game that wasn't salvagable at all. I know everyone hates Bethesda games now, but not even mods could save Fallout 4. I wasn't even 10 hours in before I realized that all the quests were "go to this buiilding, clear it, come back" without any stakes or worldbuilding whatsoever. The only thing that was fun about it was having the pip boy menu on my ipad while I played.

Yeah there's absolutely nothing salvageable about that game and it's when all the most hardcore Bethesda apologists I know finally started to realize that their writing staff outputs a lot of stuff but don't actually know how to write anything coherent anymore

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

It's funny to think about how many billions of dollars were wasted in developing and supporting Kinect, a gimmicky, overly complicated unpopular platform that died very quickly. I bet VR would have never caught on without Microsoft taking huge gambles on Kinect though.

VR caught on?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Mr Interweb posted:

VR caught on?

People who bought VR headsets keep saying it.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

If they took out that shithead with the stupid hat who gives you the "radiant" Minuteman quests, Fallout 4 would be fine.

Also make the assault rifle an assault rifle.

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

Fallout 4 was probably the first Bethesda game that wasn't salvagable at all. I know everyone hates Bethesda games now, but not even mods could save Fallout 4. I wasn't even 10 hours in before I realized that all the quests were "go to this buiilding, clear it, come back" without any stakes or worldbuilding whatsoever. The only thing that was fun about it was having the pip boy menu on my ipad while I played.

Fallout 4 was OK once I started to ignore all the settlement alerts.

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




skyrim looks like a beta test for witcher 3, a game that actually had some effort expelled in it's creation.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



the worst thing about fallout 4 imo is that you can call the minutemen incompetent losers, them to gently caress off and refuse to help them and then kill everyone in the railroad and then kill everyone in the brotherhood of steel and then because they only wrote 3 ways to build the teleporter to advance the plot the story just sends you back to preston garvey who you can't kill and he will welcome you with open arms like nothing happened and make you decorate his house and fix his plumbing

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
they also didn't account for what if you just straight up shoot the guy in the institute. He spooked me and I VATS critted him into Oblivion. I killed him so hard the game didn't know what to do. I ended up having to just find my own way out of thew place and everyone talked to me as if nothing had changed. The Preston route seems to be the default because when I got out of the Institute, it was treated like I sided with the Minituemans

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

Fallout 4 was probably the first Bethesda game that wasn't salvagable at all. I know everyone hates Bethesda games now, but not even mods could save Fallout 4. I wasn't even 10 hours in before I realized that all the quests were "go to this buiilding, clear it, come back" without any stakes or worldbuilding whatsoever. The only thing that was fun about it was having the pip boy menu on my ipad while I played.

I think I only beat Fallout 4 because the game was the exact perfect blend of mindless and endless to listen to hours and hours of podcasts. I listened to like several years of Radiolabs, a bunch of old 1940-50s fiction podcasts, and plenty else.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

It's funny to think about how many billions of dollars were wasted in developing and supporting Kinect, a gimmicky, overly complicated unpopular platform that died very quickly. I bet VR would have never caught on without Microsoft taking huge gambles on Kinect though.

It was basically cargo culting, some executive board never made it past "The 360 peripheral is doing pretty good, if we just make an HD version of the Wii from the start then we'll sell even more units than the Wii did!"

And then some Nintendo spy in that board room was like "say that's a great idea", leading to the Wii U lol

d3lness
Feb 19, 2011

Unicorns are metal. Gundanium alloy to be exact...

Mr Interweb posted:

VR caught on?

VR blows. It's a fun novelty and then it wears off. You're left with a bunch of lovely tech demos, a bunch of lovely motion control games, and a bunch of games I can play normally without wearing a cumbersome monstrosity. Yeah yeah there are a few fun games, but you could also get Beat Saber working on a Switch. VR is the emperors' new clothes in circle jerk format. It's why so many VR fans are insanely defensive and volatile. (Also because True GameRs I guess)

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Anytime someone spends money on something they defend their purchase. VR seems like an interesting lark, but mostly for simulation games and not-video games. Teaching in a virtual classroom, porn, that kind of poo poo. It just seems like the games suck and the cost of entry is stupid high, and it seems no matter what price point you enter at, the next step up seems to have all the things you wish you’d had.

A friend of mine bought a VR headset and was so excited about it. I told him about VR porn and he got so excited about it (like a person buys a VR headset without thinking about porn :rolleyes:), he also bought a blowjob machine that would sync up with the VR porn scene. I think that would be pretty cool, I guess. Not $800 cool, of course. I just don’t know how many degenerates are out there versus how many people want to play, idk, beatsaber, or that half-life game, or whatever. But a fool and his money are soon parted, I guess.

*nervously glances at expensive gaming pc/monitor* haha, other people are bad at money

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



If every gamer had a good VR setup, there would be better games, because it would be a huge market worth developing for. As it is, almost nobody has a headset and VR ready PC even among serious master race pc gamers. There's just no money there. Even if every active VR gamer buys your game you'll make less money than selling some indie shovelware sidescroller to the general population by orders of magnitude. As it stands, it's a new medium that's been poorly explored, most entries are either motion gimmicks or regular PC games with VR hacked in whether it makes sense or not, and it'll probably stay that way until you can buy something like an index for under $200 and drive it with a midrange pc because until then there's no market and nobody's going to spend the time and money developing for it

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




Valve tried to launch a killer app with HL: Alyx but all anyone cared about was whether or not you could patch /mod in a non VR version. Until there's an actual real killer app landing it'll remain a weird niche akin to DDR or Voltex, except less cool somehow.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
It doesn’t take much hardware to run VR as far as computer specs go. My laptop runs stuff like Half Life Alyx or H3VR just fine on the mobile version of a GTX1660, which is around 10-15 percent weaker than the desktop version. That’s like a 200 dollar graphics card. Really the main reason I don’t use it more is because setting it all up is a pain in the balls.

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d3lness
Feb 19, 2011

Unicorns are metal. Gundanium alloy to be exact...

poverty goat posted:

If every gamer had a good VR setup, there would be better games, because it would be a huge market worth developing for. As it is, almost nobody has a headset and VR ready PC even among serious master race pc gamers. There's just no money there. Even if every active VR gamer buys your game you'll make less money than selling some indie shovelware sidescroller to the general population by orders of magnitude. As it stands, it's a new medium that's been poorly explored, most entries are either motion gimmicks or regular PC games with VR hacked in whether it makes sense or not, and it'll probably stay that way until you can buy something like an index for under $200 and drive it with a midrange pc because until then there's no market and nobody's going to spend the time and money developing for it

VR is not new at all. It's come and gone over the decades multiple times and in various forms. You could even toss it in the 3D TV category if you wanted.

This will always be my favorite video for a showcase of what to expect from VR. It's a few years old at this point, but it still applies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2sCJpR3x8o

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