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Anidav posted:3000 jobs or more Good luck animal david
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Woah this is gonna be a bloodbath. They wanna cull everything and run it all in Sydney. One central newsroom taking story leads from a network of contractors then republishing it across all titles.
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May 28, 2020 00:56
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Sulla Faex posted:If you get panic attacks at the idea of seeing another human being, then by all means it's perfectly reasonable to want a higher level of isolation. But on a broader social level, endless suburbia is not a good solution, sorry Why is it "apartment building" or "7 acre property"? I live on a 375m2 block and I can see my neighbours without even looking over the fence. It's okay to want to live in a house. Apartment blocks suck.
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May 28, 2020 01:01
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Anidav posted:Woah this is gonna be a bloodbath. They wanna cull everything and run it all in Sydney. One central newsroom taking story leads from a network of contractors then republishing it across all titles. Ah gently caress, I'm sorry this is happening to your job. fingers crossed you can find something soon, a few years experience at one company will do you in good stead at least
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May 28, 2020 01:09
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Everyone is calling the managers gently caress heads because they knew for weeks and instead everyone is finding out about job losses from the AFR. Lmao.
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May 28, 2020 01:44
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They are managers for news corpse, of course they are fuckheads.
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May 28, 2020 01:49
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Often NZ seems like a place of competence and good government. Good to know their oppositions are as poo poo as ours. What a train wreck. https://twitter.com/trillyelliot/status/1265397884607852544
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May 28, 2020 01:57
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-15/regional-media-bailout-to-help-industry-last-coronavirus-slump/12151382 They took the money and ran lmao.
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May 28, 2020 01:58
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gay picnic defence posted:Which begs the question: When is the left going to follow suit, start doing some serious psychological analysis into conservatives and make memes that exploit them for electoral advantage? It's going to get harder and harder to win elections when the right is quite happy to fight dirty to win, you're left waiting for them to make a serious fuckup and lose an otherwise winnable election rather than being able to compete on an equal footing. BBJoey posted:I do not think memes are a deciding factor in elections Nah but gay picnic defence has a point (imo) because it's clear that the LNP/right-wing have a much better grasp on messaging and brand management at the moment, or at least when they actually needed to. I think a lot on the "left" (whatever that is these days) continue to expect that Australian voters are rational actors who will critically evaluate the evidence and make decisions in their best interest. The big issue here is that it's always been complete horse poo poo and there's entire fields predicated on the fact that individuals aren't rational actors. I mean it's happened a bunch of times now and I reckon we'll have the same issue in the QLD state election. Anidav posted:Woah this is gonna be a bloodbath. They wanna cull everything and run it all in Sydney. One central newsroom taking story leads from a network of contractors then republishing it across all titles. Ahh yes, the return of New South Wales comprising the entirety of the continent.
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May 28, 2020 02:05
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My grandparents are sad that they QT will be digital only now, actually a blow to Ipswich because it was a reasonably regarded local newspaper.
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May 28, 2020 02:11
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gay picnic defence posted:Which begs the question: When is the left going to follow suit, start doing some serious psychological analysis into conservatives and make memes that exploit them for electoral advantage? It's going to get harder and harder to win elections when the right is quite happy to fight dirty to win, you're left waiting for them to make a serious fuckup and lose an otherwise winnable election rather than being able to compete on an equal footing. I follow a bunch of Liberal FB pages to get their angle on issues and see what they think of opposition talking points, I don't think psycho analysis is possible. A lot of those people believe Scomo was sent by god and that he's one of the best prime ministers we've ever had 'next to John Howard'.
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May 28, 2020 02:11
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liberal voters only give a poo poo about money at the end of the day, pushing literally anything else has no practical effect unless it's tied back to the bottom line reminder of how spectacularly incompetent the LNP has been for the past...forever years and yet come election day everyone goes "...but, still, you know, my taxes gotta stay low" and votes for them
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May 28, 2020 02:23
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Rip to big rigs
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May 28, 2020 02:24
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abigserve posted:liberal voters only give a poo poo about money at the end of the day, pushing literally anything else has no practical effect unless it's tied back to the bottom line i'd argue that the LNP have been targeting swing voters really well, the last election was pretty close but it really shouldn't have been. I know we all act like the LNP won in a landslide but it was like what, 2-3% in favour to the LNP? This is why I am surprised the ALP haven't been going out harder, they had a substantial level of support and they've just been squandering it.
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May 28, 2020 02:34
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Imagine the kind of verminous coward that would be proud to call themselves a swing voter, loving hell
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May 28, 2020 02:48
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abigserve posted:liberal voters only give a poo poo about money at the end of the day, pushing literally anything else has no practical effect unless it's tied back to the bottom line Relatedly, I think the left needs to get better at the emotive plays. A lot of people don't give a poo poo about facts and figures. They don't value objectivity, they go off how they feel about things. It's why politicians kiss babies, vote for innumerable policies that directly and indirectly kill others, and have voters say "yeah but they seem nice". And I don't mean emotive plays like "show them pictures of drowning refugees until they care", because they won't. It's about how they make people feel, and Labor and the Greens suck at it outside of their own natural voter base.
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May 28, 2020 02:51
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Richard Dennis wrote a reasonable piece in the wake of the election that Labor felt they had to justify their economic management credentials, so spent more time talking about their revenue plans than what they were going to do with them (e.g. free cancer treatment). It’s much harder to argue against “getting cancer shouldn’t also send you and your family broke” How are you going to pay for it? “By not giving multinational companies a massive tax cut” But the other thing that many have pointed out is that the electorates that would have paid more tax under Labor swung Labor anyway, where as the poorest electorates swung Liberal. Ultimately voters both collectively and individually are dumb as loving dog poo poo.
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May 28, 2020 03:10
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Solemn Sloth posted:Ultimately voters both collectively and individually are dumb as loving dog poo poo. I have done a fair bit of doorknocking and worked voting booths and this is 100% true.
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May 28, 2020 04:01
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i converted one person from an informal voter to a greens voter by explaining socialism to them in the council election, truly the voter is a wild and unruly beast.
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May 28, 2020 04:10
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Recoome posted:Ahh yes, the return of New South Wales comprising the entirety of the continent. the reign of QLD > NSW is over
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May 28, 2020 04:58
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Tokamak posted:the reign of QLD > NSW is over North Eastern NSW > Middle Eastern NSW
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May 28, 2020 05:02
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May 28, 2020 05:03
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https://twitter.com/kagij/status/1265853682513408000?s=19 https://twitter.com/kagij/status/1265857380937416705?s=19
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May 28, 2020 05:10
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TheMostFrench posted:I follow a bunch of Liberal FB pages to get their angle on issues and see what they think of opposition talking points, I don't think psycho analysis is possible. A lot of those people believe Scomo was sent by god and that he's one of the best prime ministers we've ever had 'next to John Howard'. This is the problem. The left has no answer to people who can't be reasoned with. Fact and figures, and appeals to a sense of decency are all they have. They assume all people have an inbuilt ability and desire to critically analyse problems and arrive at a logical solution. Above all, I don't think people on the left want it badly enough. Right wingers will crawl over broken glass to win an election because they love money and winning elections means more money for them and their mates. The left seems satisfied with saying "oh well, we tried" and spending the next 3 years lamenting all the damage being done to society and institutions. All the Get Up and Greens messaging I see looks like it's just targeted at Greens voters. Marketing 101 says that's a waste of resources but here we are. We're talking about messaging to people who are not worldly, not critical thinkers, and who give the barest of fucks about anyone other than themselves. Get inside their heads. What are their fears, what do they want from life, what motivates them, what buzzwords and slogans do they connect with that can be used for political ends? Note that you don't have to convince them to vote for a left wing party, simply convincing them to vote for someone other than the LNP or not at all would be sufficient. The reason Trump's messaging was on point during their election was because they actually did all that and came up with a bunch of really effective slogans like the "Drain the Swamp" one. You don't convince these people by presenting a bunch of facts about climate change, you create an army of bots to spread memes with boomer style formatting about how Soros is funding fossil fuel companies to keep Australia dependent on foreign energy imports, and how ScoMo is undermining ~The Constitution~. You don't talk about how refugees and other migrants are being hosed over by the LNP, you make it about farmers, tradies and truckies. Don't gently caress around about decorum, make a bunch of memes calling Sco Mo a traitor. Above all, don't spread these via organisations calling themselves names associated with left wing politics, get a bunch of FB pages calling themselves Tradies for 'Straya oval office or something - I don't think people on the left realise how toxic the Greens and 'greenies' are outside of the left.
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May 28, 2020 05:11
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also that was a lot of words and a good post but also it's been about a decade since "the left" had any form of initiative when it comes to messaging. We've literally let conservatives dictate what we are arguing about and how we will argue about it, which is poo poo from a strategy point of view. I hate using war analogies here but if you continue to let your opposition dictate where and when you fight, then you end up losing anyway because you are constantly on the defensive. When the ALP was last in power the opposition was consistently providing talking points, something which I really haven't seen from the ALP in opposition. Yes, we could say that the media is stacked against progressives in politics but when the gently caress is someone going to actually adapt rather than sticking to a losing strategy. Small targets don't work, you've got to push a message which actually means something to the people. In the current climate, I feel the ALP has decided to go small target Shorten again and hope that the LNP makes some huge policy misstep that people will care about. Here's a loving newsflash, no-one cares because there's no reason for them to care. A whole bunch of Liberals have supervised what is likely the shittiest biosecurity fuckup this country has ever seen, yet you've got Mr Potatohead on the horn bleating about a state deciding who will enter their jurisdiction and the means by which they enter. Mind-blowing.
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May 28, 2020 05:33
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Brown Paper Bag posted:https://twitter.com/kagij/status/1265853682513408000?s=19 I'm sure they'll get around to it any day now.
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May 28, 2020 05:36
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I'm sure they'll get around to it any day now. When SA's acting police Minister got arrested for child porn offences there was a very lengthy saga around warrants used to access Parliament House. For logical reasons the parliament has some additional protections from the police investigation and the police not following them to the letter (President needs to allow access and a bunch of other stuff). I suspect it's not as much a matter of police delay, but rather making sure they dont gently caress it up and render it all inadmissible.
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May 28, 2020 06:26
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Recoome posted:also that was a lot of words and a good post but also it's been about a decade since "the left" had any form of initiative when it comes to messaging. The sooner they realise that people are hurting because of their failure to take some sort of initiative the better. The media is stacked against the left? So what? Isn't the left supposed to be full of the types of creative people who should be able to find a different way to get a message across? War analogies are perfect for describing the situation. To use another one, if the media and institutions are biased to the right then maybe there needs to be some lessons learned from asymmetrical warfare to take back some of the initiative. Get stuck in and start a messy battle via social media using every dirty trick in the book. I'm sure taking the high road feels all noble and poo poo, but it's leaving a bunch of vulnerable people to be hosed in the arse by a rapacious right wing. Part of isn't convinced that the indolent latte socialists that infest left wing politics aren't actually part of some right wing entryism campaign to neuter the left.
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May 28, 2020 07:58
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What exactly does "Get stuck in and start a messy battle via social media using every dirty trick in the book" mean? Teardrop Twitter has been accusing George Christensen of being a sex tourist for a year now and it doesn't seem to have done much. I'd also point out that for all the complaining that Labor doesn't take the initiative or takes the high road, in 2016 one of the centrepieces of their campaign was Mediscare, which spooked the Libs so badly they passed a law criminalising it. You may recall that Labor lost the 2016 election.
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May 28, 2020 08:13
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gay picnic defence posted:This is the problem. The left has no answer to people who can't be reasoned with. Fact and figures, and appeals to a sense of decency are all they have. They assume all people have an inbuilt ability and desire to critically analyse problems and arrive at a logical solution. Above all, I don't think people on the left want it badly enough. Right wingers will crawl over broken glass to win an election because they love money and winning elections means more money for them and their mates. The left seems satisfied with saying "oh well, we tried" and spending the next 3 years lamenting all the damage being done to society and institutions. Genuine question, do you do any volunteering for any of 'the left' organizations? Because the one big issue we have (aside from money) is manpower, because you can have all the grand plans in the world, but if all your volunteers are burnt out from the constant cycle of fed election > state election > fed election etc, and you don't have anyone to do the work and deliver the message, its not going to get out there.
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May 28, 2020 08:33
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GoldStandardConure posted:Genuine question, do you do any volunteering for any of 'the left' organizations? I wrote a bunch of words here but basically boils down to the fact that (at least in my experience) we have a bunch of rusted-on fucks who feel entitled to their time in the sun rather than actually considering what's effective and who could contribute. You can have all the grassroots support in the world but if you've got poo poo leadership/strategy then it all falls over, and THEN we get burnt out volunteers. I love the idea of the NTEU but hooooly poo poo do I feel burnt out because of whatever local politics were/are going on. e: BBJoey posted:What exactly does "Get stuck in and start a messy battle via social media using every dirty trick in the book" mean? Teardrop Twitter has been accusing George Christensen of being a sex tourist for a year now and it doesn't seem to have done much. Also that was when the LNP pulled the Rudd/Gillard manoeuvre right? That was a pretty close election IIRC, you could argue that the LNP managed to hang on in spite of a pretty successful marketing campaign. Recoome fucked around with this message at 08:56 on May 28, 2020 |
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May 28, 2020 08:50
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GoldStandardConure posted:Genuine question, do you do any volunteering for any of 'the left' organizations? No, they've been too full of idealists who think you can reason with fuckwit conservatives, and that taking what is perceived as the low road to power is beneath them. This sort of messaging needs to come from a left wing equivalent of Topham Guerin or Cambridge Analytica anyway, any obvious links to a political party or left wing identity will undo the work it's doing. BBJoey posted:What exactly does "Get stuck in and start a messy battle via social media using every dirty trick in the book" mean? Teardrop Twitter has been accusing George Christensen of being a sex tourist for a year now and it doesn't seem to have done much. That's probably because it's one twitter user, and not an army of bots spreading mass produced memes full of carefully devised trigger phrases around swinging voter and conservative facebook groups. Mediscare was good, there needs to be more campaigns like it. But it also needs to be broader, and have elements targeted at particular demographics. No point having an education scare campaign targeted at country seats IMO because it's predominantly anti-intellectual rednecks would would probably support it. Make up some poo poo about the LNP wanting to introduce a farmer tax to make it easier for Chinese investors to buy farmland.
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May 28, 2020 09:27
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no poo poo https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-28/home-affairs-paladin-manus-island-audit-review/12297076 ABC News posted:The auditor-general has criticised the processes behind the awarding of multi-million-dollar contracts by the Department of Home Affairs for security services on Manus Island, saying the Government had not demonstrated value for money.
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May 28, 2020 09:41
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The United States of Australia will fall in our life time; we will see the Continent divided into Kingdoms and City States; and the terrible War for liveable Lands and Waters begin, the War our children and grand children will fight, and many of us Perish for.
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May 28, 2020 11:30
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A Wild Animal posted:The United States of Australia will fall in our life time; we will see the Continent divided into Kingdoms and City States; and the terrible War for liveable Lands and Waters begin, the War our children and grand children will fight, and many of us Perish for. he'll yeah
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May 28, 2020 11:42
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A Wild Animal posted:The United States of Australia will fall in our life time; we will see the Continent divided into Kingdoms and City States; and the terrible War for liveable Lands and Waters begin, the War our children and grand children will fight, and many of us Perish for. I’m chungus erectus lord of the snags
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May 28, 2020 11:47
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https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/andrew-nolch/quote:The man who defaced murder victim Eurydice Dixon’s memorial has been sentenced to jail after breaching his community corrections order.
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