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Tumble posted:You could take a tube down that, it would be pretty drat bitchin' I do culvert inspections occasionally. Not gone through any on a tube, but have used a skateboard (well mountain board, with a chair bolted to it). Not actually as fun as it sounds, given they're a pain to steer. Most fun was when I was expected to take 30 minutes or so going through one, and we popped out the bottom about a minute later - it was so slippery we just slid through the whole thing at speed, wore through a harness.
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B-Rock452 posted:If you have Instagram, North American Rescue posted a photo that shows the aftermath of a wood chipper accident. Apparently the guy survived but good lord it's horrific Sometimes I'm amazed by how much blood there isn't.
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Sagebrush posted:No it isn't. In an emergency they're not going to brilliantly create a makeshift thruster by rerouting phaser power through the deflector dish. The failure scenarios are worked out ahead of time and carefully practiced, and the required controls to handle the emergency will be installed. Apollo 13 involved exactly what you're saying doesn't happen.
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May 28, 2020 17:07
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I watched a carpenter fall off the rafters of a house being built yesterday. No harness or anything of course. Thankfully a microlam broke his fall on the way down and he hit at less than terminal velocity. He popped right back up, ripped the rest of the microlam down and hammered up a new one 
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May 28, 2020 17:12
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May 28, 2020 17:13
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Don't normally get a visceral falling feeling from videos like this, but goddamn that first jump.
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May 28, 2020 17:16
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Cartoon Man posted:https://i.imgur.com/P9QVPTH.mp4 Sort of? He already has his fall retardation device deployed, while a wingsuit guy has to gain sufficient altitude and then deploy. But yes, he absolutely operates with zero margins.
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May 28, 2020 17:18
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Xakura posted:Sort of? He already has his fall retardation device deployed, while a wingsuit guy has to gain sufficient altitude and then deploy. I want to see the angle from those people he passes over at the end, this one dude has to dive out of the way 
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May 28, 2020 17:26
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After the image of those lovely fake bricks I half-expected this guy to land on that balcony and for it to crumble under him.
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May 28, 2020 17:28
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Xakura posted:Sort of? He already has his fall retardation device deployed, while a wingsuit guy has to gain sufficient altitude and then deploy. I dunno, if this guy crashes he probably ends up with shattered legs and dies slowly alone in the wilderness while being eaten alive by weasels. At list the wingsuit guy is going in headfirst
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May 28, 2020 17:31
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H2SO4 posted:First question is always "ok, but who decided which controls were important enough?" Predicting what might be important in every situation is kind of impossible. Duh, Ctrl-Alt-Del.
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Deptfordx posted:Got to respect the quick reactions and sprint speed of that first guy though. Yes, he was really gunning for it.
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Phanatic posted:Apollo 13 involved exactly what you're saying doesn't happen. Apollo 13 was 50 loving years ago. Things have advanced slightly since then.
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I didn't even know Mirror's Edge 3 was in development.
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Chomp8645 posted:I didn't even know Mirror's Edge 3 was in development. I wish. Shame it’s an EA property.
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Phanatic posted:Apollo 13 involved exactly what you're saying doesn't happen. apollo 13 took place over several days of drifting in space where there would have been no problem working with a touchscreen interface if they had needed to. the argument against them here is "it's hard to operate a touchscreen in a vibrating 3g environment" and yes, that is true, but in the case of an emergency during launch the astronaut just presses the big physical ABORT TO ORBIT button underneath the screens and everything else is handled by a computer. again, they are not gonna be rapidly reconfiguring the reactor and depolarizing the deflector dish to save the spacecraft while the engine is blowing up beneath them. either the computerized recovery modes work or the vehicle is lost, sorry. i would say that the touchscreen interface here is actually a safer idea than its implementation in a tesla, where you have zero physical backup controls and the vehicle is actually under fully manual control and the system operator is an untrained moron.
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just wait until they put it in autopilot and it suddenly accelerates to light speed directly into a black hole
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Mozi posted:just wait until they put it in autopilot and it suddenly accelerates to light speed directly into a black hole A feature, not a bug
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alternate example: the F-35 also has a huge touchscreen interface as its primary flight display. this is a dumber idea than doing it in a spacecraft too, because a fighter pilot will be expected to operate many of the airplane's systems manually while engaged in unplanned high-energy maneuvering. but the F-35 also has a HOTAS system where the majority of the controls are available at the pilot's fingertips on the throttle unit and control stick, with big chunky buttons that are easy to grasp and which are shaped to be immediately distinguishable from one another. the pilot is not expected to actually reach up and press anything on the screen during maneuvering.
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Azhais posted:At list the wingsuit guy is going in headfirst https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFk6hxHIR0Q&t=72s (No-one dies)
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Mozi posted:just wait until they put it in autopilot and it suddenly accelerates to light speed directly into a black hole Exploring and innovating the economies of the universe.
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Sagebrush posted:apollo 13 took place over several days of drifting in space where there would have been no problem working with a touchscreen interface if they had needed to. Thinking that manual burn with inverted controls would be tricky with a touchscreen joystick. Why are people stanning so goddamn hard for terrible user interfaces.
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May 28, 2020 18:03
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The question is if the touch screen is solving a control issue, or is it solving an aesthetic issue.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I watched a carpenter fall off the rafters of a house being built yesterday. No harness or anything of course. Thankfully a microlam broke his fall on the way down and he hit at less than terminal velocity. When I dove off the second story of a house after a glue gun I snaked my hand into the outer floor truss as I fell, righted myself, and landed on my feet. Then I dusted myself off and started to head back up. The driver for our second floor wall delivery saw me go and came running over asking me if I was okay.
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Are there beneficial aspects of using a touchscreen is useful in such an environment? Their prevalence in certain markets like smartphones mostly has to do with cost and in second order intuitiveness (for toddlers and grandparents). None of those applies to a spaceship. By many objective metrics it is a badly performing input method: no haptic/tactile feedback, the finger surface limiting precision accuracy and of course your big fat gloved digit blocking the view of what you are actually touching. The only pro I can remember from my UI/HCI research days is that it's one of the best at 'random access', the time it takes to hit a random area on the screen (a mouse or trackball has a speed up and down phase). A chorded keyboard input method like a steno might actually be the highest performing method for a highly trained person.
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i drove a daewoo/hundae/whatever manufacturer leaf, one of those full gas/electric hybrids, and the instrument panel is two protruding nobs and then a series of decals adhered to a featureless surface, meaning if you're not looking at the display you've got no idea if you're cycling through radio stations or turning on the air controls. cars with in-dash displays should be loving criminal. i want to piledrive the moneyfucked CEOs who decided this needs to be standard.
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Pros for a touchscreen: + Reduce cost of technical configuration changes + Less wiring harness failure points If the touchscreen and regular screen in the Tesla Model S were OLED, I wouldn't say I would prefer that car with dial gauges. Backlight is just annoying to look at. Also give me those extra soft buttons and a couple shuttle knobs for my own configuration.
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Beef posted:Are there beneficial aspects of using a touchscreen is useful in such an environment? The beneficial aspect of using a touch screen is that it's "more like Star Trek". Star Trek has deeply shaped the public perception of space flight, and so the public thinks that space flight is more advanced the more it looks like Star Trek. And since all manned space flight is at best a publicity stunt to encourage more public investment in the aspects of space exploration that have actual scientific benefit, the more you impress the bazingas the more effective the mission.
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grillster posted:Pros for a touchscreen: A panel of buttons is the same wiring harness as a touchscreen, power and data. This is 2020, not 1969, and buttons are easier than ever but screens are cheap
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When hologram interfaces come out there's gonna be folks like "the touch screens were simpler devices" and the argument will never end. There are going to be people who fight the brain implants.
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Beef posted:Are there beneficial aspects of using a touchscreen is useful in such an environment? A touch screen can become any kind of display panel and set of controls that you want it to. Rather than having banks upon banks of switches and readouts crammed in all over the cabin, you can consolidate it all right in front of the astronaut's face. I can imagine that being pretty helpful in most situations.
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grillster posted:When hologram interfaces come out there's gonna be folks like "the touch screens were simpler devices" and the argument will never end. There are going to be people who fight the brain implants. yeah I'm thinking refined eye tracking will be the next thing and people won't be able to no-look control poo poo, causing huge issues, but people can't be bothered to use their touch anymore, that's for cavemen. brain implants make me laugh, people have random dark thoughts constantly that impulse control prevents them from acting on, but how's the computer going to know that you don't want to drive your tesla into the target now, vs 2 seconds from now when you're back onto thinking about porn? LifeSunDeath fucked around with this message at 18:23 on May 28, 2020 |
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grillster posted:When hologram interfaces come out there's gonna be folks like "the touch screens were simpler devices" and the argument will never end. There are going to be people who fight the brain implants. when the holographic advertisements hinder my ability to safely operate a multi-ton chunk of steel powered by exploding dinosaurs? absofuckinglutely. a car's instrument panel needs to be able to be operated wholly by tactile proprioception or you're demanding that people drive distracted. manufacturers should face liability for the design decisions they make.
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grillster posted:When hologram interfaces come out there's gonna be folks like "the touch screens were simpler devices" and the argument will never end. There are going to be people who fight the brain implants. The brain implants are being developed right now... ....by Elon Musk
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:when the holographic advertisements hinder my ability to safely operate a multi-ton chunk of steel powered by exploding dinosaurs? absofuckinglutely. I'm not demanding anything. I bet gas powered vehicles and holographic controls won't cross breeds though. shovelbum posted:The brain implants are being developed right now... Should we take a poll? Preferred developer for our brain implant:
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grillster posted:When hologram interfaces come out there's gonna be folks like "the touch screens were simpler devices" and the argument will never end. There are going to be people who fight the brain implants. When aesthetics are chosen over functionality, criticism is warranted.
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grillster posted:I'm not demanding anything. I bet gas powered vehicles and holographic controls won't cross breeds though. where's Bob Page.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:A touch screen can become any kind of display panel and set of controls that you want it to. Rather than having banks upon banks of switches and readouts crammed in all over the cabin, you can consolidate it all right in front of the astronaut's face. I can imagine that being pretty helpful in most situations. You know MFDs exist, right? This is a solved problem. Combined with some sort of hands-on control device with contextual inputs.
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The capsule is basically a cargo container with life support and displays to make the humans feel more comfortable, drat near everything is automatic and or done from the ground. There’s nothing for the humans to control. Cargo has been docking fully automatically to the ISS for many years.
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