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Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Lack of shades aside that's real cool that a laser can float a bubble

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Log082
Nov 8, 2008


Submarine Sandpaper posted:

Lack of shades aside that's real cool that a laser can float a bubble

I can hear the guy who did my laser safety training screaming from retirement.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
I can't find any other info about bouncing bubbles on lasers

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011
Using a laser on a reflective surface without shades seems... unwise...

a primate
Jun 2, 2010

Is that one of those lasers you can buy on AliExpress that’s technically illegal because of how dangerously bright they are? :awesomelon:

Might have been this thread that I saw this in but I’ll post it anyway

https://youtu.be/DMVWW-bmKwQ

Tumble
Jun 24, 2003
I'm not thinking of anything!

B-Rock452 posted:

If you have Instagram, North American Rescue posted a photo that shows the aftermath of a wood chipper accident. Apparently the guy survived but good lord it's horrific

Do you have a link to that? I wanna see it
edit - found it, wish i did not :stonk:

Jabor posted:

Another interesting radiation and wood related thing: trees in the Chernobyl exclusion zone don't rot - at least, not as much as trees everywhere else. They just die, and stay standing there dead, and the leaves pile up deeper and deeper on the ground.

Probably because all the stuff that normally eats dead wood got wiped out, but it's interesting to look at the photos of dead yet intact trees and realise that that's probably what everywhere looked like in the Carboniferous.

Imagine how fierce forest fires were back then? Higher oxygen levels and thousands of years worth of wood on the ground to fuel the flames.

Tumble fucked around with this message at 03:42 on May 29, 2020

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Robert Facepalmer posted:

John McAfee would probably bring some exciting insights...

Yeah, he might kill a guy

or pay his Belizean housekeeper to poo poo in his mouth

either or

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Jabor posted:

Another interesting radiation and wood related thing: trees in the Chernobyl exclusion zone don't rot - at least, not as much as trees everywhere else. They just die, and stay standing there dead, and the leaves pile up deeper and deeper on the ground.

Probably because all the stuff that normally eats dead wood got wiped out, but it's interesting to look at the photos of dead yet intact trees and realise that that's probably what everywhere looked like in the Carboniferous.

This sounds entirely fake lmao

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Slanderer posted:

This sounds entirely fake lmao

Highly reduced mass loss rates and increased litter layer in radioactively contaminated areas

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

The first author is an anti-nuclear hack whose findings are consistently unreproducible, and the last author has been a pariah ever since he was ruled to have fabricated data to prove some bunk evolutionary biology hypothesis. Googling him finds this article from 2006 where the only person to defend him is the first author.


So yeah, this is 100% bullshit lmao

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

it's an interesting thing to consider. radiation, and in particular a chronic low level of radiation, doesn't have the same effect on every creature.

high-level radiation of course kills pretty much everything very effectively through brute force.

continuous exposure to low-level radiation is generally bad for humans because many years later we get cancer and die. but in the short term it's often unnoticeable.

the same amount of radiation that gives a human cancer in twenty years means essentially nothing to animals that aren't going to live that long in the wild anyway. a mouse doesn't have to worry about maybe developing cancer even two years from now; if it survives without being eaten for three months it can have a litter of babies and that's all that matters for population dynamics. this is part of why the chernobyl exclusion zone has such incredible biodiversity.

of course, part of the reason that low-level radiation doesn't hurt humans in the short term is because it actually does, but our bodies are good at killing mutant cells and repairing damage. that doesn't apply to anywhere near the same level when you're a single-celled organism. consider that man who got stuck in a food irradiator in russia and survived for over a year after a dose of radiation that destroys all microorganisms in seconds.

it's certainly plausible that the low-level radiation in the area is having the effect of constantly suppressing the growth of decomposer organisms, while not doing much at all to mice and birds and deer, and posing a long-term but not very acute threat to humans who wander in.


e: well, looks like while I was typing that post a paper was posted and then immediately debunked. lol. I wonder what the actual data says

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Debunked in the sense that some of the authors are known shits, I don't think it's been debunked in the sense that anything disproving it has been posted. Even people with an agenda do publish correct things sometimes.

That said my memory of that stuff was from news articles that likely were based on that same paper, unless someone's tried to replicate the findings since, so I don't exactly have a strong position in favour of it being true.

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood
people who oppose the industry can't be trusted. only people who work for the industry know what's best.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

PHIZ KALIFA posted:

people who oppose the industry can't be trusted. only people who work for the industry know what's best.

ah yes, Big Nuclear, that industry with so much power that nuclear plants are springing up left and right every day

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
We don't even have nuclear rights with our property and some company set up a reactor in my back yard.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Sagebrush posted:

it's an interesting thing to consider. radiation, and in particular a chronic low level of radiation, doesn't have the same effect on every creature.

high-level radiation of course kills pretty much everything very effectively through brute force.

continuous exposure to low-level radiation is generally bad for humans because many years later we get cancer and die. but in the short term it's often unnoticeable.

the same amount of radiation that gives a human cancer in twenty years means essentially nothing to animals that aren't going to live that long in the wild anyway. a mouse doesn't have to worry about maybe developing cancer even two years from now; if it survives without being eaten for three months it can have a litter of babies and that's all that matters for population dynamics. this is part of why the chernobyl exclusion zone has such incredible biodiversity.

of course, part of the reason that low-level radiation doesn't hurt humans in the short term is because it actually does, but our bodies are good at killing mutant cells and repairing damage. that doesn't apply to anywhere near the same level when you're a single-celled organism. consider that man who got stuck in a food irradiator in russia and survived for over a year after a dose of radiation that destroys all microorganisms in seconds.

it's certainly plausible that the low-level radiation in the area is having the effect of constantly suppressing the growth of decomposer organisms, while not doing much at all to mice and birds and deer, and posing a long-term but not very acute threat to humans who wander in.


e: well, looks like while I was typing that post a paper was posted and then immediately debunked. lol. I wonder what the actual data says

One thing to consider is that low level radiation* doesn't actually seem to be harmful to people---it seems like our bodies deal with it just fine. Basically anywhere there is a lot of granite has significantly elevated background radiation, but no more cancer than average. This is important because it basically disproves the "linear threshold model" for radiation, which is used to claim that cancers caused by radiation have a linear response to dose and that there is no threshold below which radiation causes no cancer. Despite lots of evidence showing that this model is bullshit, it still gets used as the conservative estimate for radiation induced cancers for entirely political reasons, and is much loved by anti nuclear advocates. The usage of this model following Chernobyl caused a ton of psycological and economic damage from people in western europe overreacting and freaking out despite not being at risk.

I'd wager that an entire generation of anti-nuclear fanatics was born from the pscyological trauma caused by the linear no threshold model lmao.

*depending on your definition of low level

Number_6
Jul 23, 2006

BAN ALL GAS GUZZLERS

(except for mine)
Pillbug
Nobody talkin' bout that Pakistan airliner crash, apparently caused when the pilots attempted to land with gear up, after a terribly unstable approach? There are lights and buzzers and TOO LOW GEAR UP callouts on an Airbus, how do you gently caress that up?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/crashed-pakistan-plane-hit-runway-times-approach-200528184334265.html

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pakistan-jet-crashed-shortly-after-bizarre-landing-attempt-at-327-kph-2236782

Number_6 fucked around with this message at 05:59 on May 29, 2020

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


I watched an older documentary on Chernobyl which interviewed these old Russian doctors. They argued that not only is low level radiation not a carcinogen, but that low levels protected you against cancer development.

I wonder which documentary it was, it had a great moment of a Russian doctor telling the camera that radiation is a piss poor carcinogen. I was surprised to see that take on it.

Just a casual googling:


Some Paper posted:

The shape of the dose-response curve for stochastic effects (mutations, neoplastic transformation, and cancer) of exposure to low doses of ionizing radiation or genotoxic chemicals has been the topic of continuous debate (Kondo 1999; Calabrese and Baldwin 2003a,b; Feinendegen et al. 2004; Pollycove 2004; Sykes et al. 2004). The key discussion relates to whether the linear nonthreshold (LNT) model for low-dose extrapolation of cancer risk is valid (Ootsuyama and Tanooka 1993; Azzam et al. 1996; Tanooka 2000; NCRP 2001).

With the LNT hypothesis, any amount of carcinogen exposure increases one's risk of cancer. Now there is growing evidence from epidemiological, experimental, and mathematical modeling studies that does not support the general use of the LNT model for central estimation of cancer risks at low doses of low linear-energy-transfer (LET) radiation (Scott et al. 2003; Scott 2004; Scott et al. 2004). Instead, the results support for adults the existence of hormetic-type, dose-response relationships with low doses and dose rates being protective and high doses causing harm.


Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Radiation hormesis is mostly pushed by cranks and people with something to gain by polluting/not remediating contaminated sites, but the linear, no‐threshold model for cancers caused by ionising radiation is totally and demonstrably wrong. It’s just politically convenient to pretend otherwise.

If a thousand units of absorbed radiation dose increases your chance of getting a particular type of cancer by ten percent, we pretend that a dose of ten units would increase your risk by one tenth of one percent.

In reality, it won’t. It’s hard to say what the real risk is because the data gets so thin at these levels, but it’s well less than a tenth of a percent.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Comparatively, at high dosages the cancer risk doesn't just start levelling out, it drops.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I mean, technically, yeah.

Ouchi didn’t die of cancer.

Beef
Jul 26, 2004
https://i.imgur.com/ejO7JvT.mp4

Woof

Bertha the Toaster
Jan 11, 2009
What in the hell was that?

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
If you see the flame front coming forward from the car, it looks like there's LPG collecting on the ground, either from the car that explodes, or that car happened to cause a spark and the gas is coming from one of the buildings. The one that catches on fire very quickly would be my first bet.

edit: watching it a few more times and seeing how incredibly fast the fire catches in that building, I'm convinced that's where the gas is coming from.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

Bertha the Toaster posted:

What in the hell was that?

Big rear end puddle of some sort of flammable liquid on the road that is coming from the yard of the building that goes up, and that cars exhaust set it off.



ORRR it was just a driveby building incineration

Bertha the Toaster
Jan 11, 2009
Oh yeah, now I see whatever the liquid is coming from the right. Cheers guys.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Cartoon Man posted:

Why did the howitzer cross the road?

https://i.imgur.com/t8mWY2f.gifv

To get the the River Rhine?

Mimesweeper
Mar 11, 2009

Smellrose

Memento posted:

If you see the flame front coming forward from the car, it looks like there's LPG collecting on the ground, either from the car that explodes, or that car happened to cause a spark and the gas is coming from one of the buildings. The one that catches on fire very quickly would be my first bet.

edit: watching it a few more times and seeing how incredibly fast the fire catches in that building, I'm convinced that's where the gas is coming from.

and the van collects some vapor when it drives over the puddle, and that blows off its bumper when it ignites, crazy poo poo.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004




Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

Drive- by arson.

Jabor posted:

Another interesting radiation and wood related thing: trees in the Chernobyl exclusion zone don't rot - at least, not as much as trees everywhere else. They just die, and stay standing there dead, and the leaves pile up deeper and deeper on the ground.

Probably because all the stuff that normally eats dead wood got wiped out, but it's interesting to look at the photos of dead yet intact trees and realise that that's probably what everywhere looked like in the Carboniferous.

Slanderer posted:

The first author is an anti-nuclear hack whose findings are consistently unreproducible, and the last author has been a pariah ever since he was ruled to have fabricated data to prove some bunk evolutionary biology hypothesis. Googling him finds this article from 2006 where the only person to defend him is the first author.


So yeah, this is 100% bullshit lmao

What a shame, this could have been a solution to the depletion of fossil fuels.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Media Bloodbath
Mar 1, 2018

PIVOT TO ETERNAL SUFFERING
:hb:

Humphreys posted:

To get the the River Rhine?

Glad to see the German military is on the same level as everybody else nowadays.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

Cartoon Man posted:

Why did the howitzer cross the road?

https://i.imgur.com/t8mWY2f.gifv

That's not a howitzer, it's clearly a self-propelled gun.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
https://i.imgur.com/M29FHL8.mp4

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Humphreys posted:

To get the the River Rhine?

Hö hö, jemand der Rhein schießt.

I'm not translating that.

Sound Mr. Brown
Feb 21, 2005

The love of learning, the sequestered nooks,
And all the sweet serenity of books.

Do you know where this climb is? Gorgeous.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004



I always wonder if these fisheye GoPro camera’s are distorting what’s really a completely safe tiny hill or rock instead of a giant kill you mountain.

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




That honestly looks very safe with the ropes and stuff. Safer than normal scrambling with no harness.

I probably still wouldn't do it

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Ornamental Dingbat posted:

Drive- by arson.



What a shame, this could have been a solution to the depletion of fossil fuels.

Its still largely the only solution to it.

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Number_6 posted:

Nobody talkin' bout that Pakistan airliner crash, apparently caused when the pilots attempted to land with gear up, after a terribly unstable approach? There are lights and buzzers and TOO LOW GEAR UP callouts on an Airbus, how do you gently caress that up?

I assume the alerts are in English. There was a period of a number of crashes in East Asia because the pilots didn't actually speak English and couldn't understand the plane alerts. One of them had one of the pilots asking "What does 'Pull up' mean?" as one of the last bits on the flight recorder.

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