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Question for joat mon: how much does the precise cause of death matter to charge here? ie, whether he died because he was choked by the cop or had a panic attack then heart attack due to excessive force by the cop or what.
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https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1266405341203439620?s=20
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May 29, 2020 22:41
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May 29, 2020 22:50
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https://www.wsbtv.com/video/live-stream/ one of two protests in ATL
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May 29, 2020 22:50
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Detroit was doing basically everything right - handing masks to the protestors, escorting them around, and generally being agreeable. Things are starting to get a bit frosty because they arrested someone and rather than explaining why to the crowd, the crowd swarmed the car and won't let it leave. They're trying to get people away with horses but uh, yeah. https://twitter.com/JustCallmeBHunt/status/1266490551949549569
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May 29, 2020 23:09
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facialimpediment posted:Detroit was doing basically everything right - handing masks to the protestors, escorting them around, and generally being agreeable. Things are starting to get a bit frosty because they arrested someone and rather than explaining why to the crowd, the crowd swarmed the car and won't let it leave. They're trying to get people away with horses but uh, yeah. Those loving idiots are asking to get hosed up by a panicked horse.
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May 29, 2020 23:25
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If it's legitimate police brutality, the black body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
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May 29, 2020 23:26
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ded posted:Those loving idiots are asking to get hosed up by a panicked horse. Horse pig or pig pig, they're hosed either way, let's be honest.
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May 29, 2020 23:39
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Yes the officer pushed the old lady down the stairs, but on examination, her bones were unexpectedly brittle.
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May 29, 2020 23:48
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He died with a cop’s knee jamming into his spine, not from a cop’s knee jamming into his spine.
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May 29, 2020 23:49
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It sucks when people's hearts coincidentally explode when you just happen to be putting a knee on their big neck artery.
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May 29, 2020 23:52
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Atlanta Police Chief Shields is out meeting with protestors on the ground right now near the CNN center.
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May 29, 2020 23:52
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speaking of terrifying effigies https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1266461076792774657
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May 30, 2020 00:16
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Doc Hawkins posted:speaking of terrifying effigies  those ghouls please.
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May 30, 2020 00:17
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There was a confrontation outside the White House a little while ago where some DC cops grabbed a guy out of the crowd and then got chased into the Freedman Bank Building, it's quieted down a little now but there's a good sized crowd in Lafayette Square. edit - livestream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjR4jD7uusc
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May 30, 2020 00:32
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May 30, 2020 00:35
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Terrifying Effigies posted:There was a confrontation outside the White House a little while ago where some DC cops grabbed a guy out of the crowd and then got chased into the Freedman Bank Building, it's quieted down a little now but there's a good sized crowd in Lafayette Square. If the white house catches on fire I'm heading there with a bag of marshmallows.
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May 30, 2020 00:42
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Watch them pull some poo poo like showing Floyd was Covid positive and list that as cause of death.
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May 30, 2020 00:47
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Midjack posted:If the white house catches on fire I'm heading there with a bag of marshmallows. I’ll be there with Monty.
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May 30, 2020 01:03
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The White House protest mostly dispersed, but the current hotspots are in Atlanta (CNN HQ) and Brooklyn (Barclay's Center - biggest crowd they've had there in months). Denver's kinda iffy too. Might be a long night.
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May 30, 2020 01:08
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America, y'all done hosed up https://twitter.com/levarburton/status/1266453337857118208?s=19
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May 30, 2020 01:20
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hobbesmaster posted:Question for joat mon: how much does the precise cause of death matter to charge here? ie, whether he died because he was choked by the cop or had a panic attack then heart attack due to excessive force by the cop or what. Yeah how does this work given that the officer was armed, had his gun drawn at one point per the report and the guy died. There was a case in WI from 2018 where a armed robber holding up a burger joint had someone die of a heart attack getting hit with murder charges.
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May 30, 2020 01:25
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Nystral posted:Yeah how does this work given that the officer was armed, had his gun drawn at one point per the report and the guy died. There was a case in WI from 2018 where a armed robber holding up a burger joint had someone die of a heart attack getting hit with murder charges. Might've just been the felony murder statute assuming Wisconsin has it.
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May 30, 2020 01:27
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Eej posted:America, y'all done hosed up  Chicago's mayor has some spicy words: https://twitter.com/AlexisMcAdamsTV/status/1266497302434385922?s=20
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May 30, 2020 01:31
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Flying_Crab posted:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1266521059731206144?s=21
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May 30, 2020 01:33
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https://twitter.com/MatthewACherry/status/1266469379757109248?s=20 https://twitter.com/infinite_scream/status/1266528097811271685?s=20
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May 30, 2020 01:36
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Can joat mon or a lawyer explain why the exact "cause of death" matters in terms of culpability or punishment? Yeah, okay, he had underlying conditions, and that, combined with the combination of what the officer did, killed him. Why does it matter that there were no strangulation marks or whatever? Whatever underlying conditions the guy had doesn't matter (or shouldn't) - the actions of the cops still caused the death. It's not like his underlying conditions caused his death suddenly at that exact moment without outside action. Just like positional asphyxiation killed Eric Garner specifically caused by police action (and inaction when he stated he couldn't breathe), George Floyd's death was directly attributable to that cops actions. Not to mention the other two cops were on top of him (not needed at all after he's secure in handcuffs, unless he's flailing around/kicking, in which case you secure his feet and place him in the goddamn cruiser, not hold him down for 10 loving minutes like psychopaths), and the other one, who didn't take responsibility and tell the main guy "hey man, I got this, back off a little" or do literally the least anyone could do / anything to stop him. Can an attorney explain why the exact cause of death matters?
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May 30, 2020 01:37
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Best Friends posted:It sucks when people's hearts coincidentally explode when you just happen to be putting a knee on their big neck artery. And then they complain of shortness of breath and you're all like "you're still talking, must be lying" And then you start telling the other cops you think it may be "excited delirium or whatever" Gee shucks, who could have forseen an ending like this 
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May 30, 2020 01:37
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So they're not even saying he was intoxicated, just "and any potential intoxicants". So like, he was black so he had to be rolling on something, right? JFC.
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May 30, 2020 01:41
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Bored As gently caress posted:Whatever underlying conditions the guy had doesn't matter (or shouldn't) - the actions of the cops still caused the death. It's not like his underlying conditions caused his death suddenly at that exact moment without outside action. Just like positional asphyxiation killed Eric Garner specifically caused by police action (and inaction when he stated he couldn't breathe), Denying medical attention seems to be a recurring theme in these incidents, be it respiratory distress or letting a shot person bleed out. I have to assume on some level it's a power thing because at that point the individual is thoroughly subdued, if they weren't already. If Floyd was having a heart attack a complaining of shortness of breath for nearly 10 minutes, and the response was "more knee to neck", then it seems like consequences should be attached to that alone (e: I mean that should be enough on its own, not that the broader incident can't have other consequences). Likewise curious about the actual legal implications though.
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May 30, 2020 01:46
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So is it time to stock up on protest gear? 
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May 30, 2020 01:52
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Discussion Quorum posted:Denying medical attention seems to be a recurring theme in these incidents, be it respiratory distress or letting a shot person bleed out. I have to assume on some level it's a power thing because at that point the individual is thoroughly subdued, if they weren't already. As far as not giving medical treatment to people, yeah, it is loving pathetic that some agencies don't immediately start first aid immediately after securing the suspect / the scene. Cuffing people and letting them bleed is loving insane to me. Since I left the law enforcement world, I started to watch a lot of bodycam vids on Youtube, and some agencies do perform first aid on suspects after shootings or any use of force. A lot just don't, and wait for medic/FD/EMTs to arrive. That needs to change, nationwide. Back after the Eric Garner tragedy, all LEOs in NYS (local, state, municipal, sheriff, Corrections) was taught about positional asphyxiation in the yearly defensive tactics refresher, and all academies were changed as well. There is literally zero excuse whatsoever for a cop to kill someone with positional asphyxiation after Eric Garner. That should've been a wakeup call to literally every LE agency in the nation. It largely was, but unfortunately there's still power tripping pieces of poo poo in LE. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 02:06 on May 30, 2020 |
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May 30, 2020 02:01
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ded posted:So is it time to stock up on protest gear? ideally yeah, some of that stuff is going to be a pain to get what with the rona eating up all the supplies of really good masks and such most of the other protective gear would be easier to get though and an actually decent backpack isn't that expensive anymore. something that could carry 30-40 pounds of gear comfortably is enough
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Bored As gently caress posted:It largely was, but unfortunately there's still power tripping pieces of poo poo in LE. Yeah. The ones with badges
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Arven posted:So they're not even saying he was intoxicated, just "and any potential intoxicants". So like, he was black so he had to be rolling on something, right? JFC. Toxicology panels can take weeks sometimes months to return from the lab in most places. Even in high profile cases results can be a while for the ME return. That's why they usually write it preliminarily like that ie. can't rule in or out as the results are unknown.
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May 30, 2020 02:11
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Protestors are at trump hotel down the street from the WH.
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May 30, 2020 02:21
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Woofer posted:Protestors are at trump hotel down the street from the WH. If any building needs to burn, it's a Trump branded one
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May 30, 2020 02:27
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MonkeyWash posted:If any building needs to burn, it's a Trump branded one Normally I'd agree with you, but it's the old post office building and an innocent casualty of Trump's incessant desire to buy things and brand them after himself
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May 30, 2020 02:33
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It's a shame they let Trump buy it, the Old Post Office Building is pretty classy
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People should be going after his golf courses with anything that burns grass. Not going to make an impact if you don't go after what the orange one loves.
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