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Last page people were talking about how nen couldn't possibly be unknown to the world given how strong and important it is and Killua crushing the Hunter exam was a gag about that.
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hunter exams are basically recruitment for exceptional people who can then learn to be exceptional nen users. i'd imagine it is more of a formality to keep people like hisoka out as far as nen users go. the only really difficult part for a nen user would have been the stupid, petty sushi exam. if netero hadn't shown up hisoka was definitely going to murder those two gourmet hunters, and probably without much difficulty. the absolute worthless scrub hunters, as seen on greed island, were probably like killua and cheesed their way in with nen.
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May 30, 2020 06:34
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the absolute worthless scrub hunters, as seen on greed island, were probably like killua and cheesed their way in with nen. Those were "amateur" hunters, as in they were taught nen but didn't have a license. They usually speak with awe about "professional" hunters whenever they see one in action.
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May 30, 2020 06:36
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Eej posted:It's easy to forget because he got it by default by knocking literally everyone out at the very start The more I think about this the less the hunter exams make sense. Chalk it up to power creep.
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May 30, 2020 08:56
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wasnt the hunter exams always kinda a joke to any real nen user worth their salt? half the reason the hunter reforms were such a big deal was to bump up the quality of members and thats why tons of strong characters we come across arent apart of it
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May 30, 2020 09:22
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Professorjuggalo posted:wasnt the hunter exams always kinda a joke to any real nen user worth their salt? half the reason the hunter reforms were such a big deal was to bump up the quality of members and thats why tons of strong characters we come across arent apart of it the hunter association is a way to make sure superpowered psychos are on the inside pissing out
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May 30, 2020 10:04
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Professorjuggalo posted:Wasn’t there some undercurrent plot about how the exams need to change because the association is too top heavy? I haven’t re-read it in years so I could be wrong
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May 30, 2020 11:55
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I’m pretty sure the reasons the exams were an issue was because Netero, being low-key not the greatest person in the world, was A-OK with other not great people becoming hunters as long as they got through the exams, which is sort of a huge issue when terrible people like Hisoka and Illumi get licenses given they give you near impunity for murder.
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May 30, 2020 13:00
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miniscule12 posted:The more I think about this the less the hunter exams make sense. Outside of Hisoka and Illumi, Killua coulda taken everyone at the previous exam before nen.
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May 30, 2020 13:00
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If Gon somehow comes back it shouldn't be with nen. The only reason I'd want to see it is out of confidence for how good of a writer Togashi is and I'd love to know if he could pull it off in a satisfying way. I'm grateful for what we've gotten and if Togashi's heart isn't in this project anymore or manga I hope he stays in storytelling and just writes books or something.
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May 30, 2020 13:15
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Kild posted:Outside of Hisoka and Illumi, Killua coulda taken everyone at the previous exam before nen. Don't sleep on my boy Hanzo, he's got a longer career than Killua and presumably the skills to match. He's one of the only participants to realize they were being tailed by pro hunters and already a ninja assassin.
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May 30, 2020 13:28
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Yea, it would have been a toss-up between Hanzo and Killua. Though at that point, Killua was still under Illumi's acupuncture Nen, so he might have actually backed down.
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May 30, 2020 15:22
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Brought To You By posted:Don't sleep on my boy Hanzo, he's got a longer career than Killua and presumably the skills to match. He's one of the only participants to realize they were being tailed by pro hunters and already a ninja assassin. Killua seemed very unimpressed with Hanzo.
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May 30, 2020 16:07
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Kild posted:Killua seemed very unimpressed with Hanzo. You sure? I’m pretty sure I remember him writing out the very elaborate power level flowchart that went: Hisoka >>>> Hanzo >>>>>>>>> Me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gon
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May 30, 2020 16:19
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Last Celebration posted:You sure? I’m pretty sure I remember him writing out the very elaborate power level flowchart that went: Ah, yeah I forgot he included Hanzo there. I dont think his estimations are very accurate since he thought he could kill Netero and I don't think Hanzo is even close to Hisoka in the exam arc. He also thought he was humble on his own ranking and emphasized it's just an estimate. Feat wise he didn't care about Hanzo's training and backstory, he intentionally ingested Tonpa's poison while Hanzo refused, and he dunked on Hanzo tailing him with the badge switch.
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May 30, 2020 16:51
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Early Killua was really cocky, but we also understand he has a tendency to keep his estimates of people at the highest he can imagine. But Netero was also sandbagging the entire time he was present during the exam arc so it's not like I'd fault Killua for thinking he had a chance. That aside, Hanzo did come across as a very capable individual although he was also used at the butt of some early jokes. The badge one was an accident rather than an intentional act on Killua's part, but Hanzo still jumps like 30 feet into the air to retrieve it all before knowing nen which is very impressive. For Hanzo's part he has nothing to prove to someone like Tonpa so he doesn't need to drink anything laced with anything just because. Outside of that, the only thing Killua really had to say against Hanzo was that he took longer to start killing than Killua did himself which isn't a statement of skill. Killua acknowledges that Hanzo could have made Gon concede if he had wanted too. Between what little we've seen of Hanzo, and the fact that only he and Kurapika had learned Nen even before Gon and Killua got a pass from Wing. I don't think Killua's assessment is terribly off base, at least for that point in time. And I mean come on. He's a literal ninja that's already cool enough.
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May 30, 2020 17:10
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Killua didn't know poo poo about nen at the time, so of course this decrepit old man is easy pickings
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May 30, 2020 18:54
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Why didn’t killua’s parents teach him nen again? Just to more effectively torture him?
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May 30, 2020 19:28
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Jon Joe posted:Why didn’t killua’s parents teach him nen again? Just to more effectively torture him? Presumably he was suppose to learn it after his parents made him climb the tower but he hosed off to eat a billion candy bars instead of getting a nen bath.
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May 30, 2020 19:30
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Jon Joe posted:Why didn’t killua’s parents teach him nen again? Just to more effectively torture him? It's the one thing they have to keep him in check and he's not exactly into the grand destiny they have planned for him. I imagine they would have taught him once he fully committed to the family business. Zushi is the only other young person we see learning Nen right?
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May 30, 2020 19:34
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We don't see him training on-screen, but Kalluto (Killua's little brother) was capable enough in Nen to join the Spiders at age 10, and is currently on the whale ship.
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May 30, 2020 19:47
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Schubalts posted:We don't see him training on-screen, but Kalluto (Killua's little brother) was capable enough in Nen to join the Spiders at age 10, and is currently on the whale ship. that's kind of power creepy but Killua is absolutely good enough to be in the Spider's and it's not as though he's been practicing for that long
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May 30, 2020 19:52
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Killua is the chosen successor of the family and Sylvia knows that he wouldn't be able to coerce his son to do anything so the most effective way to mold Killua into being the next head is to let him figure out he wants it on his own including walking into a Nen baptism I guess. On paper that does sound like a step removed from parental neglect Ging style but he does positively teach Killua things and I guess he's just relying on the ol' Assassin Blood to eventually bring him back again.
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May 30, 2020 20:05
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My impression is that the exam is "harder" on people who know nen, so that being not that great but knowing nen isn't enough to get you in. This is why it was OK for a previous examiner to do a duel with Hisoka in the middle of the exam, and how some of the tasks can be easily re arranged to make things harder on specific people.
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May 30, 2020 20:25
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grieving for Gandalf posted:that's kind of power creepy but Killua is absolutely good enough to be in the Spider's and it's not as though he's been practicing for that long Nobunaga did invite Gon and Killua to join them during Yorknew, despite basically every troupe member except maybe Kortopi handily outclassing both of them combined at that point.
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May 30, 2020 20:27
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TriffTshngo posted:Nobunaga did invite Gon and Killua to join them during Yorknew, despite basically every troupe member except maybe Kortopi handily outclassing both of them combined at that point. They did not even have unique powers at that point.
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May 30, 2020 20:28
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grieving for Gandalf posted:that's kind of power creepy but Killua is absolutely good enough to be in the Spider's and it's not as though he's been practicing for that long I'd say that's entirely due to his lightning form, though. He's still way behind the spiders on basic nen manipulation. Sure, you don't need to be Hisoka level to qualify, but the only two member I could see him beating re: power level are Kortopi and Shalnark, and the latter isn't even a guarantee. Not that we'll know if that was ever the case. 
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May 30, 2020 20:32
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TriffTshngo posted:Nobunaga did invite Gon and Killua to join them during Yorknew, despite basically every troupe member except maybe Kortopi handily outclassing both of them combined at that point. Wouldn't you? Those kids seem like a hoot and they're good enough not to get killed that easily.
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TriffTshngo posted:Nobunaga did invite Gon and Killua to join them during Yorknew, despite basically every troupe member except maybe Kortopi handily outclassing both of them combined at that point. Kalluto having that realization despite him knowing nen for just as long, if not longer than Killua will never not get a chuckle out of me. Also because all the other troupe members were taking bets on whether Feitan would die at the same time.
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May 30, 2020 20:51
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Jon Joe posted:Why didn’t killua’s parents teach him nen again? Just to more effectively torture him? I was under the impression that Zoldyks don’t get formally taught Nen and that Killua was supposed to learn it through initiation in Heaven’s Arena, only that Killua being the family scion backfired because he cleared the first 100 rounds as a dumb six year old who hosed off to spend his money on candy.
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May 31, 2020 02:13
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Last Celebration posted:I was under the impression that Zoldyks don’t get formally taught Nen and that Killua was supposed to learn it through initiation in Heaven’s Arena, only that Killua being the family scion backfired because he cleared the first 100 rounds as a dumb six year old who hosed off to spend his money on candy. There was also Illumi's needle that made Killua jump away like a frightened cat any time someone directed hostile nen toward him, so he probably would've avoided getting initiated for a long time.
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May 31, 2020 02:23
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Killua was also told not to go to the 200th floor of the arena when he was dropped off as a kid so I don't think they actually planned for him to be introduced to nen at that time in his training.
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May 31, 2020 04:07
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i'm not sure how far the zoldyck spartan training goes. the arena baptisms carried a high risk of death and mutilation for no particular benefit, and killua wouldn't have been exempt. killua's family wants him to go through horrible physical and mental trauma, not lose a limb.
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May 31, 2020 04:35
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Brought To You By posted:Killua was also told not to go to the 200th floor of the arena when he was dropped off as a kid so I don't think they actually planned for him to be introduced to nen at that time in his training. Wait, I thought his dad was super pissed at him when he left before the 200th floor because he got bored. That’s what I remember at least gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i'm not sure how far the zoldyck spartan training goes. the arena baptisms carried a high risk of death and mutilation for no particular benefit, and killua wouldn't have been exempt. killua's family wants him to go through horrible physical and mental trauma, not lose a limb. To be honest I always had the impression that the main trio of Heaven’s Arena antagonists were just scrubs who clawed their way though the arena gradually instead of blitzing that poo poo super hard like Gon and Killua did, which explains why getting hit by someone worth a poo poo caused terrible terrible injuries instead of Gon just getting a broken arm and Kastro being hale and hearty in his Hisoka rematch.
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May 31, 2020 04:52
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the standard was some spiteful rear end in a top hat hitting newcomers with a nen attack, because they got the same treatment. even scrubs like those 3 in the arena could easily cripple anyone who wasn't protected by aura. also, not everyone even got the baptism. people who already used nen didn't need to deal with that poo poo.
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May 31, 2020 05:08
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Even a weak nen user could easily tear a person apart with it, it wouldn't matter how weak they were before getting nen, just an assault with it could've easily maimed either or of them.
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May 31, 2020 05:53
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Brought To You By posted:Killua was also told not to go to the 200th floor of the arena when he was dropped off as a kid so I don't think they actually planned for him to be introduced to nen at that time in his training. No he was told to get to the 200th floor. Then he left the second he got there.
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May 31, 2020 07:18
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MonsterEnvy posted:No he was told to get to the 200th floor. Then he left the second he got there. Viz translation says "My Dad left me here Penniless when I was six. And I had to stay until I reached the 200th floor". I don't think reaching the floor meant that Silva also wanted to get into a match on that one. All Killua had to do was qualify for it and leave which is what he says he did in the following chapters.
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May 31, 2020 13:41
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as a fan of yu yu hakusho, i've been meaning to check this out for nearly 2 decades. i read the manga in the late 00s but only got to the tournament at the tower part of the story. i'm watching the anime right now and i'm at the Greed Island arci was really enjoying the series up until this point. but it's a little difficult for me to suspend my disbelief with the way this arc works. for example, apparently all the main characters have basically digitized their minds into this video game, and while in the game, nen apparently still works? but there's also like multiple additional separate rules with the way this video game world operates. i dunno, it's a little difficult to keep track and just seems too incoherent/unbelievable imo so i have to ask...should i keep going?
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