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zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Cojawfee posted:

Would it? It just needs to run a high enough voltage between components to kill the computers. Humans are a lot more resistant to shocks than a CPU.
When you say shielding in space service its x-ray to gamma EM radiation you're worried about causing the ionizing. Getting into a tight high power microwave or radio beam or some ionosphere energized pocket is cute comparatively. Its planned for and benefits from some of the same failure mode resolutions but kind of a blip when you say you are building hardened digital systems that go to literal space.

Specifically meant the sort of flooding dose of gamma you'd need to thoroughly scramble every semi hardened voter is going to leave a human in a bad way.

E. I can see some of the confusion for folks when they say they are avoiding shielding and they think why would you avoid a faraday cage of copper when they actually mean lead casket

zedprime fucked around with this message at 17:35 on May 31, 2020

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Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Elon is touted as this engineering galaxy brain when in reality he’s a charismatic ideas guy who lucked into a lot of things and seeded his career with PayPal bux his familys emerald mine

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001





That too

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
There are linux kernels out there being used for all kinds of real time applications including rockets and radar, so as much as elon musk is an idiot I wouldn't really worry about it.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

yes, please never forget that the formative experience in young elon's life, the thing that made him want to become an entrepreneur, was when he stole an emerald from his dad's safe and took it down to a jewelry store and sold it, and then a week later walked by the store and saw that the emerald was now set in a ring that was being sold for four times as much as he got, and he thought that was tremendously unfair and he wanted to be the person reselling the emeralds for 400% profit, not the chump who supplied the raw materials.

like literally this is a story he tells. i am not making any of this up. just young elon skipping down the road with pockets full of emeralds, as you do

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I'm sure it was all very humanely sourced.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Sagebrush posted:

yes, please never forget that the formative experience in young elon's life, the thing that made him want to become an entrepreneur, was when he stole an emerald from his dad's safe and took it down to a jewelry store and sold it, and then a week later walked by the store and saw that the emerald was now set in a ring that was being sold for four times as much as he got, and he thought that was tremendously unfair and he wanted to be the person reselling the emeralds for 400% profit, not the chump who supplied the raw materials.

like literally this is a story he tells. i am not making any of this up. just young elon skipping down the road with pockets full of emeralds, as you do

Also as someone pointed out elsewhere, his family left SA upon the end of apartheid, never to return...because who needs to stick around if you can't have slaves?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Elon Musk grew up in apartheid South Africa, I have this feeling that growing as a white boy in a place like that must gently caress you up somehow. Just look at Oscar Pistorius.

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard
Lots of people already beleive that since MLK did peaceful protest, the moment a punch is thrown or a trash can tipped over that protest is Just As Bad As The Problem and Who Is Violent Now.

Those people already all believed that. They're going to keep on beleiving it. They're a given and their views aren't changeable. These people freaked out over a sports man adopting the wrong body posture during a song. They disagree that the problem exists, there is no protest "peaceful" enough for them.

On the other hand, "black man murdered by cops -> police precinct burned down" is a solid way to illustrate that the problem does actually exist. Furthermore, it's a way of demonstrating the value of George Floyd. His life (and death) was worth burning down a public building. Applying a cost and value to life is good. Discarding and ignoring it is bad. If people want the police buildings to stop burning down, perhaps they could help the cops stop murdering people.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
The police of going Michigan walked with their citizens, a group of people who have every right to distrust the government that failed them.

It was joyous.

That is all they had to do but they wanted violence to start their racial holy war.

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

Uncle Enzo posted:

Lots of people already beleive that since MLK did peaceful protest, the moment a punch is thrown or a trash can tipped over that protest is Just As Bad As The Problem and Who Is Violent Now.

And it's extremely bullshit that they believe that in the first place because all being peaceful got MLK was being blackmailed by the actual FBI until they gave up and just loving killed him.

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011
You know you guys are in the OSHA thread, right?

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
World's burning down and there's always someone mad cause you're not exactly on topic.

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

LifeSunDeath posted:

World's burning down and there's always someone mad cause you're not exactly on topic.

Lol I mean, sure, talk about it in here why not. The first post was out of context enough to the rest that I was worried they meant it for another thread.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Mozi posted:

Here's a fun one for you, from my backyard. Two ancient maples, one dead, one hanging on. The dead one hanging on as well, actually...




The arborist I work with noted it would be good as an exhibit or something but he's not going anywhere near it. Fortunately I don't walk underneath.

Yeah, that's a nasty hang up. If it ain't a threat to property and you, gently caress it, it's habitat for the birds.

Probably one of the neatest things I saw while doing that job was, while on a lunch break, I watched a bunch of ants make a chain and slowly pull a very fat grub out of the stump of a tree to eat. Those little fuckers are strong.

I mark trees for tree crews for a living nowadays, so all the experience from my time as a trainee and trainer Sawyer comes to mind regularly. I'm honestly glad I never got into arbor work, sure the job I do now doesn't pay near as well, but the worst thing I have to deal with nowadays are dogs and angry customers.

Sex Skeleton
Aug 16, 2018

For when lonely nights turn bonely

zedprime posted:

Ionizing is very spatial and the wires to and from a microcontroller and other spatial orientation mean you aren't going to flip or fry the same bits in identical hardware receiving what is functionally measured as the same general dose. Voting is valid (and again required to hit your probability in the FMEA short of a lead casket) way to manage something probability based like that. Just about everything votes on a spacecraft unless it's a very simple ionizing proof device. Depending on the weight of the microcontroller you start seeing ridiculous stuff where the weight tradeoffs means you have weird poo poo like 5+ voters.

If you receive a dose that just flat out bricks all 3 voters the spacemen probably aren't going to be ok biologically.

You don’t have to fry the voters. You just have to flip a few bits in different places so that ECC fails in different spots on different voters. That’s way more likely to happen than a solar storm. We’re actually bombarded enough at ground level that bit flips are guaranteed.

All you have to do is get all three voters to disagree in a calculation before your scrubber processes can repair the damage. It’s basically a race. The best strategy uses rad hardening, voting, hardware ecc, software integrity checks, and hardware watchdogs.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


https://i.imgur.com/D9h2tj5.mp4

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak

zedprime posted:

Ionizing is very spatial and the wires to and from a microcontroller and other spatial orientation mean you aren't going to flip or fry the same bits in identical hardware receiving what is functionally measured as the same general dose. Voting is valid (and again required to hit your probability in the FMEA short of a lead casket) way to manage something probability based like that. Just about everything votes on a spacecraft unless it's a very simple ionizing proof device. Depending on the weight of the microcontroller you start seeing ridiculous stuff where the weight tradeoffs means you have weird poo poo like 5+ voters.

If you receive a dose that just flat out bricks all 3 voters the spacemen probably aren't going to be ok biologically.

Thanks I was wondering about this.

Beef
Jul 26, 2004
Yep, if you run at HPC or datacenter scale, you are pretty much guaranteed a bunch of flips. ECC will catch and even fix many of them, but high energy particles have the tendency to not just flip one bit, but a whole bunch of them on their path as they pass through. A 14nm Xeon hit by a high energy particle will get much more than a bit flipped, which is why hardened logic is etched at much older process nodes (280? ceramics?).

One related anecdote I hear was at an HPC conference keynote from a Blue gene/Q center director. A clients just was not getting the expected performance, and at the end they found it out it was not due to faulty hardware, but because of the latency introduced by ECC-RAM fixing soft error events. At such scale, you are pretty much guaranteed at least one will happen on some of your racks for even the tiniest of time windows. It's not much, but the client's computation was in a Bulk Synchronous Processing style, so a straggler thread causes the rest of your bazilion threads to do fuckall for a while.

edit: Mandatory radio lab episode on bit flip changing election results: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/bit-flip Although it could still be due to lovely coding.

Beef fucked around with this message at 23:30 on May 31, 2020

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av

God drat

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014


Sound is mandatory.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

Possible OSHA in progress, protestors are trying to topple an enormous confederate monument

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=3159641970760838

Don't get squished guys :ohdear:

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/lrnQrjD.gifv

PirateDentist
Mar 28, 2006

Sailing The Seven Seas Searching For Scurvy


:allears: Aww, it's so excited to get to work!

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av

Little guy’s got moves :slick:

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013




Movin' right along.
Footloose and fancy-free.
Getting there is half the fun; come share it with me.
Moving right along (doog-a-doon doog-a-doon).
We'll learn to share the load.
We don't need a map to keep this show on the road.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

So excited to go to work with Daddy

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
https://twitter.com/BrettHoffland/status/1267227669701316608?s=20
what do you think was in the tanker truck?

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

*Excited R2-D2 beeping*

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







ZuluDashOne
May 1, 2020

#NeverForget

Go Wings!

:911:

ScentOfAnOtaku
Aug 25, 2006

I have no control, I just keep eating, and eating.

A racist attempted murderer?

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

ScentOfAnOtaku posted:

A racist attempted murderer?

what kind of placard is that?

ScentOfAnOtaku
Aug 25, 2006

I have no control, I just keep eating, and eating.

LifeSunDeath posted:

what kind of placard is that?

poo poo it's been like 10 years since I last did a Dangerous Goods course.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

It's the all white one.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sRrC2Jpp4

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



I saw the footage earlier today on an aussie news site and the loving video had a pre-roll ad for the new Mitsubishi Triton complete with quote: "NOTHING CAN FRIGHTEN A TRITON"

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVAMUejexa0

https://twitter.com/erichaas__/status/1266876064535506944?s=20

This is a news crew's security guy successfully disarming some kid who took a rifle from an abandoned police car. You can see he's also carrying another rifle he took away from someone else that took it from another police car.

 

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



ohhh I was wondering why he had one already but with no clip, I thought maybe it was his that he brought

Apparently the dude who looted it was actually firing it into burnt out cars? Which is loving stupid.

Security guard showed more restraint than a cop, but the dude was white I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

KoRMaK posted:

Security guard showed more restraint than a cop, but the dude was white I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Privately armed individuals don't have the armed backup and intense legal defense police do, so they often show much more restraint.

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