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KVeezy3 posted:The premise behind eugenics isn't that you produce copies of the parents, but that superior people are produced via conscious genetic selection. Snyder's Man of Steel explicitly rejects the idea. How do the conceptions of Terry or Damian meaningfully go against it? I never said anything about Damian. Though if you want, he's a little poo poo no one likes. Terry is easy- in his own series, in the main canon of his story, he's not Bruce's son. He's just a random rear end kid that got retconned to be after the fact. For all intents and purposes, Terry is just another person who lost their parent to crime- corporate crime, in his case.
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not sure how you could say Terry's apple fell very far from Bruce's tree when Terry clearly got the most of his capacity to brood
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May 30, 2020 00:41
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feedmyleg posted:Batman having an unplanned pregnancy is out of character, duh. The dude canonically has a backup plan for everything. If the condom fails, he's covered because he had his tubes tied. If they untied themselves, then he's using that experimental male birth control from India. If that fails, Batman considers himself a master of the pull-out. If he can outsmart Superman he can drat-well outsmart biology!! Comic Book Movies Megathread: Batman considers himself a master of the pull-out
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May 30, 2020 00:49
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IIRC they did the retcon in part because they realised it made no sense for Terry and his brother to have dark hair when neither of their parents do.
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May 30, 2020 04:08
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Ghost Leviathan posted:IIRC they did the retcon in part because they realised it made no sense for Terry and his brother to have dark hair when neither of their parents do. That's an extraordinarily dumb reason for a retcon.
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May 30, 2020 05:12
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McSpanky posted:That's an extraordinarily dumb reason for a retcon. They clearly had their hands tied, there was no other option but to push eugenics.
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May 30, 2020 05:16
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Part of me thinks someone had to have had it mind. Terry looks exactly like the Golden Age depiction of kid Bruce Wayne in the Bat-Man origin page.
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May 30, 2020 05:35
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...when did test tube babies become eugenics? There's a lot of steps between the former and the latter there, and I'm pretty sure Terry and sometimes-Damian are just test tube babies, not specifically-designed superhumans or anything.
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May 30, 2020 22:51
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For Terry, it's the idea that Bruce's DNA needs to be out there patroling even after his body fails.
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May 30, 2020 23:02
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:...when did test tube babies become eugenics? There's a lot of steps between the former and the latter there, and I'm pretty sure Terry and sometimes-Damian are just test tube babies, not specifically-designed superhumans or anything. I'm hazy on the tenets of eugenics and know poo poo all about those characters but the people who get test tube babies from Batman tend to have an agenda that disqualifies you or me from being the test tube donor. Which sounds pretty eugenicsy to me.
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May 30, 2020 23:04
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:...when did test tube babies become eugenics? There's a lot of steps between the former and the latter there, and I'm pretty sure Terry and sometimes-Damian are just test tube babies, not specifically-designed superhumans or anything. Test tube babies aren't eugenics but using that technology (or any other means, be it social pressure, threat of force, etc) to produce offspring from specific people because they are seen as somehow "superior" to other people is textbook eugenics. Also goes for denying people the ability to reproduce, either literally or through eradicating their ethnic and cultural identity (see: reservation schools or the current practice of allowing the children of detained undocumented immigrants to be adopted by random people).
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May 31, 2020 00:26
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I can't hate Damian because he plays off the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles perfectly. I watched that movie yesterday and while the story was boilerplate crossover stuff the fight scenes were fun and the character interactions were all so good
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May 31, 2020 01:29
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Burkion posted:Terry is easy- in his own series, in the main canon of his story, he's not Bruce's son. He's just a random rear end kid that got retconned to be after the fact. For all intents and purposes, Terry is just another person who lost their parent to crime- corporate crime, in his case. But isn't this retcon, which retroactively tinges his main story with genetic superiority vibes, considered canon? Unless you're saying superhero fiction writers/readers no longer care about canon, which would be a welcome development. Burkion posted:I never said anything about Damian. Though if you want, he's a little poo poo no one likes. I like Damian. Though with a caveat: it's limited to one specific interpretation. https://youtu.be/7z_RgsQEC4k?t=54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSjGvcbaXUc KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 14:48 on May 31, 2020 |
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May 31, 2020 14:33
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The Harley Quinn cartoon is probably the best thing DC animation has put out next to the Batman TAS and even TAS is mostly nostalgia
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May 31, 2020 16:34
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I don't doubt that Harley Quinn is good but don't forget Batman The Brave and the Bold.
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May 31, 2020 16:40
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Gatts posted:The Harley Quinn cartoon is probably the best thing DC animation has put out next to the Batman TAS and even TAS is mostly nostalgia Dude what.
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May 31, 2020 16:47
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TAS really didn't hold up for me on a recent viewing of a handful of episodes. I loved all the instincts behind it and the art was gorgeous, but it was much more a kids show than I had remembered or assumed based on its primetime ambitions. I'll give it another shot sometime, but it just wasn't doing it for me after 20 years of distance. Brave and the Bold is still fantastic, though. I want to check out Harley Quinn as soon as it inevitably makes its way to HBO Max, though I'm worried I'll be turned off by the "We can say 'gently caress' now isn't that so edgy??" attitude that I've heard is somewhat prevalent throughout. But I love Venture Bros enough that I'm willing to give it a shot, as I've heard folks say it's a riff on the same stuff. But not willing enough to get a DC Universe subscription.
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May 31, 2020 16:48
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KVeezy3 posted:But isn't this retcon, which retroactively tinges his main story with genetic superiority vibes, considered canon? Unless you're saying superhero fiction writers/readers no longer care about canon, which would be a welcome development. Canon is a corporate construct, if you need evidence of this just look at Disney's handling of the Star Wars EU.
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May 31, 2020 17:24
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I know that. Canon was brought up to excise the pro-eugenics aspect of Batman Beyond's story.
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May 31, 2020 17:40
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feedmyleg posted:TAS really didn't hold up for me on a recent viewing of a handful of episodes. I loved all the instincts behind it and the art was gorgeous, but it was much more a kids show than I had remembered or assumed based on its primetime ambitions. I'll give it another shot sometime, but it just wasn't doing it for me after 20 years of distance. TAS didn't really get "modern" good until S4 with the animation style change, outside a few gems like Feat of Clay. It basically became Justice League/JLU at that point. Hilariously, people initially downed S4 because of the animation change.
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May 31, 2020 18:04
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Detective No. 27 posted:I don't doubt that Harley Quinn is good but don't forget Batman The Brave and the Bold. Good point, Brave and Bold is great too.
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May 31, 2020 18:10
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Burkion posted:Because Bruce and Dick might be the most raped male protagonists in the DC lot “Might be” is conveying so much about why I haven’t read american cape books in a decade plus
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May 31, 2020 18:38
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Has there been any word on if DC Universe will continue, or will it's content get folded into HBOMax and the former shut down? Between the movies I've been meaning to see, Static Shock and Brave and the Bold, it's looking pretty tempting.
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May 31, 2020 20:14
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Agent Rush posted:Has there been any word on if DC Universe will continue, or will it's content get folded into HBOMax and the former shut down? Between the movies I've been meaning to see, Static Shock and Brave and the Bold, it's looking pretty tempting. If anything, AT&T would shut down VRV before DC Universe. DC Universe is more than just another boutique streaming service, since they also have actual comic books on it.
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May 31, 2020 20:20
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I think the word is that WarnerMedia is gonna keep the DC Universe platform around for the hardcore comic book fans. HBO Max is for the folk who want more than just DC related media.
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May 31, 2020 20:35
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I watched them pretty recently. There are some really stand-out episodes of BTAS but there is also some pretty whatever kids show stuff. I actually thought that new adventures, Superman TAS and the middle Justice League seasons were more consistently good.
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May 31, 2020 20:40
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gently caress an animation, just give me an audiobook of mark hamill as the joker talking poo poo about everyone in the dc universe
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May 31, 2020 20:45
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BTAS holds up incredibly well as a street-level caped crusader show where Batman isn't all-powerful. Power creep hadn't come into play, and he's more emotionally open and fallible to goons and mooks. It is beautifully animated for the time, and incredibly scored by Shirley Walker. It may have some kiddy episodes, but that is intended. It was targeted for kids, but skirted the edge so that adults could enjoy it (like most of the WB animation during that era-Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, Freakazoid, etc.).
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I watched them pretty recently. There are some really stand-out episodes of BTAS but there is also some pretty whatever kids show stuff.
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May 31, 2020 22:00
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JieBCWKcmzs honestly I can just enjoy B:TAS for the animation quality and direction rather than the plot of the episodes.
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May 31, 2020 22:19
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Necrothatcher posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JieBCWKcmzs Animation quality can vary from episode to episode. Some of those episodes can look rough.
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May 31, 2020 22:28
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The lovely Batman Beyond twist was almost worth it just for the gag where Terry has the mental image of Bruce jizzing all over town.
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Spacebump posted:Animation quality can vary from episode to episode. Some of those episodes can look rough. Yeah, Man Bat and Feat of Clay 2 are the literal best animated episodes with a lot of mediocre in between. It didn't get consistent until the style change. Even Mask of the Phantasm is just midrange.
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Spacebump posted:Animation quality can vary from episode to episode. Some of those episodes can look rough. Yeah IIRC Man-Bat was the first episode they made and the first one to get broadcast so they went all out in particular. Also Batman gets a slightly bloody lip at one point in it, I believe it was the only time in BTAS where blood was shown on screen though of course that's way more common in animated DC stuff now. I remember reading that Man-Bat was originally created to potentially replaced Batman completely, with Bruce becoming stepping back and being a supporting character to him. I think his first appearance even ends with Batman basically talking up how awesome he is and how if only they could set aside their differences/that kind of stuff. Interesting attempt I guess, probably would have actually worked if the Eclipse/etc. horror comics were still a bigger thing with kids. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jun 1, 2020 |
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Jun 1, 2020 19:22
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About two-thirds of BTAS episodes are good to excellent. That still leaves a bunch of mediocre ones, but on the whole it definitely holds up. One thing that really bugs me, though, is how a lot of two-parters have one wonderful-looking episode and then the other one is pretty blah, like Feat of Clay, Two-Face, Robin's Reckoning...
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Hey Chief posted:About two-thirds of BTAS episodes are good to excellent. That still leaves a bunch of mediocre ones, but on the whole it definitely holds up. One thing that really bugs me, though, is how a lot of two-parters have one wonderful-looking episode and then the other one is pretty blah, like Feat of Clay, Two-Face, Robin's Reckoning... Heart of Steel's part II I remember even when I was younger noticing bits of it were off. I know they had a sort of challenge because they had these robotic characters and were going for a sorta choppy Aeon Flux kind of insect movement with them at points but like, nope. Compare to the wiry telescoping drone stuff in the first part.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:26
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IIRC they had several animation houses working on episodes to make the weekly schedule and one of them was significantly worse than the others, while one was a standout that did a lot of top quality anime and went all-out with stuff like the airbrushed frost on Mr. Freeze's helmet and such.
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Hey Chief posted:About two-thirds of BTAS episodes are good to excellent. That still leaves a bunch of mediocre ones, but on the whole it definitely holds up. One thing that really bugs me, though, is how a lot of two-parters have one wonderful-looking episode and then the other one is pretty blah, like Feat of Clay, Two-Face, Robin's Reckoning... The one I remember is Batgirl dying, Jim Gordon finding out who Bruce is (I think Alfred gets shot?), and then Bane kicks the everloving poo poo out of Batman.
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Timby posted:The one I remember is Batgirl dying, Jim Gordon finding out who Bruce is (I think Alfred gets shot?), and then Bane kicks the everloving poo poo out of Batman. That's one hell of a day.
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Edward Mass posted:That's one hell of a day. Batman's Tuesday.
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