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homeless snail posted:anti cheat and drm are different things so thats a particularly brain dead thing to say Imagine me as taking a bold and principled stand against anti-cheat or whatever else people are pretending to give a poo poo about also.
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Jun 2, 2020 18:28
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ill just imagine you flailing at your keyboard trying and failing to score some kind of own on someone instead oops guess i dont have to imagine it lol
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Jun 2, 2020 18:31
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I think you have the wrong idea.
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Jun 2, 2020 18:33
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exquisite tea posted:Imagine me as taking a bold and principled stand against anti-cheat or whatever else people are pretending to give a poo poo about also. When someone snipes my entire team from their teams spawn to mine 3 seconds into the round? Good actually
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Jun 2, 2020 18:46
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https://twitter.com/Zwifu/status/1267874297672019970?s=20
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Jun 2, 2020 18:54
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Maneater's narration is hilarious
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SeXReX posted:When someone snipes my entire team from their teams spawn to mine 3 seconds into the round? Good actually Should've gotten good and sniped them two seconds in
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Jun 2, 2020 19:03
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Rinkles posted:don't know how true this is, but i heard that zelda 2 has more of a cult following in japan than in the states. like it's one of the more beloved games in the series. There's a Japanese retro wiki I use which basically collects opinions on games and Zelda 2 is a game rated positively there, but all of the exact same complaints US players had are said there. They also say it's not a popular game; just one with some dedicated defenders.
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Jun 2, 2020 19:19
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the problem is that if you dont do ring 0 anti cheat in 2020 you end up like rainbow six siege where theres so much hacking its demolishing the game, and nearly all effective anticheats run kernel level already. youre probably also running a bunch of drivers or other software already that have that level of access and often without any reason to. the big difference is it running constantly rather than just with the game but im going to give u a big spoiler alert that most of the useful anticheat is going to move to that as well and its up to you whether this is bad or good.
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Jun 2, 2020 20:50
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Its Bad
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Jun 2, 2020 20:54
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its the nature of having to block hacks in modern online games and theres no real way to avoid it other than to not bother and have it turn into a complete mess
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Jun 2, 2020 20:56
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ring 0 or no, online games, esp shooters, will always be cesspools until their companies actively and effectively moderate them, which they never will.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:03
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Relax Or DIE posted:ring 0 or no, online games, esp shooters, will always be cesspools until their companies actively and effectively moderate them, which they never will. what would that involve? hundreds of spectating mods?
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Jun 2, 2020 21:04
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Remembering how that one girl found out how to hack together a way to "play" as an Octoling in the first Splatoon, but because of how the online plaza worked if her modded character showed up in your plaza randomly it could lock up your game, crash the system, gently caress the whole console. What I'm saying is Animal Crossing needs more anti-cheat. Now more than ever.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:06
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Rinkles posted:what would that involve? hundreds of spectating mods? Seems like match logging and a report queue would be the best way, but probably a huge PITA to implement.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:07
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I said come in! posted:I was reading a lot of stuff about how Valorants Anti-Cheat software is pretty intrusive and sketchy. How much truth is there to this? Are these reports overblown?
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Jun 2, 2020 21:10
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on one hand I understand that ring 0 sounds like a good idea when you've been working on anticheat for Riot for so long that you've stopped trusting any device more advanced than a toaster on the other hand, the last 30 years of computer security have been spent getting people to not give full control over the system to this one weird game they downloaded online overeager overeater fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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Jun 2, 2020 21:18
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overeager overeater posted:on the other hand, the last 30 years of computer security have been spent getting people to not give full control over the system to this one weird game they downloaded online Fortunately for Riot the last 30 years of computer security failed at that really badly
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Jun 2, 2020 21:23
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I will probably just stick to Rainbow Six Siege then, and now I wait patiently for someone to explain how that game has anti-cheat that is not any better.
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Andrast posted:Fortunately for Riot the last 30 years of computer security failed at that really badly No, I actually enjoy Uplay throwing fifty UAC warnings if you deign to run it as anything less than SYSTEM
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Jun 2, 2020 21:25
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There are lots of platforms Riot could choose from that only run preapproved software in the first place, but most of them don't have mouse/keyboard control
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Jun 2, 2020 21:26
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Every single time I ever tried to buy something on Uplay it crashed.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:30
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RBA Starblade posted:Every single time I ever tried to buy something on Uplay it crashed. Lending credence to the theory that it's just an elaborate money laundering scheme.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:32
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it doesn't gain anything running at startup, you could still run your hacks before it if you had to. what are they gonna do next, make you install the riot bootloader
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Jun 2, 2020 21:35
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the main outcome of anti cheat systems moving to ring 0 so far has been forcing people to update old vulnerable drivers and stop running garbage overclocking and monitoring utils that inexplicably have driver level access
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Jun 2, 2020 21:37
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Rinkles posted:what would that involve? hundreds of spectating mods? If you aren't going to let people host servers like back in the day  at the very least let people rent servers so they can kick people themselves. It worked well in bf3 and 4 since you could stick with better servers that had active admins that would kick / ban people who were cheating.
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I said come in! posted:I will probably just stick to Rainbow Six Siege then, and now I wait patiently for someone to explain how that game has anti-cheat that is not any better. rainbow six siege is a stand out as a modern shooter with anti cheat that isnt ring 0 and the end result is hackers being able to do stuff like freeze a lobby for 5 hours if theyre going to lose to make everyone leave and give them a win and it has by far the worst issues with hackers of all. the other option is to do what warzone does where it relies mostly on reports but then requires every single account be tied to a valid and current phone number that can recieve sms to verify and then if youre banned you cant make a new account on that number. personally id rather just have the ring 0 anti cheat though.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:42
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Stux posted:the main outcome of anti cheat systems moving to ring 0 so far has been forcing people to update old vulnerable drivers and stop running garbage overclocking and monitoring utils that inexplicably have driver level access
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Jun 2, 2020 21:42
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m ost of the enemies in batman arkham origins are cops
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Jun 2, 2020 21:45
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:If you aren't going to let people host servers like back in the day i would champion the return of private servers, but if they did that they may not be able to lockdown their cosmetic micro-transaction economy, plus if you find one you like you may choose to play out of liking the game and the social space and not because of ladder/rank grinding and FOMO
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Jun 2, 2020 21:45
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homeless snail posted:it doesn't gain anything running at startup, you could still run your hacks before it if you had to. what are they gonna do next, make you install the riot bootloader Dear God, don't give them ideas (Comedy option: they could make you run games in an SGX enclave, finally giving it a use beyond writing research papers)
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Jun 2, 2020 21:45
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I don't play online multiplayer anything so I don't care about anti-cheat.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:46
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all the effective anti cheat software is ring 0 and either has or likely will be moving to running at startup in the near future because gamers have a chronic problem with running software that is insecure at the driver level and that has been by a gigantic margin the most common vector for hacking
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Jun 2, 2020 21:46
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I've been a PC gamer for like two weeks and I think I'm getting that wrist disease you get from keyboards
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Jun 2, 2020 22:00
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Would like to humbly propose a 100% effective anticheat scheme where the game itself runs as an isolated instance on a server provided by a trusted third party, and you simply stream video of the running game to the player and pass their controller inputs back to the server I think Google would be an excellent candidate to run a service like that
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Jun 2, 2020 22:04
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Gripweed posted:I've been a PC gamer for like two weeks and I think I'm getting that wrist disease you get from keyboards
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homeless snail posted:necrotizing fasciitis? gently caress I hope that's not it
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Gripweed posted:I've been a PC gamer for like two weeks and I think I'm getting that wrist disease you get from keyboards if you've got a poorly set up desk/chair/keyboard/mouse you can start getting pains very quickly. unfortunately, sometimes there's only so much you can do without buying new furniture.
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Jun 2, 2020 22:07
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Rinkles posted:if you've got a poorly set up desk/chair/keyboard/mouse you can start getting pains very quickly. unfortunately, sometimes there's only so much you can do without buying new furniture. I know they make those boob mousepads that are supposed to help, but it's my leg wrist, my typing hand. So a boob mousepad would be useless.
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supposedly wrist rests are actually bad for your wrists, because all the pressure is concentrated on the wrist
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