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With free movement between states, the patchwork of laws regarding plates and tags and traffic laws just causes confusion and presents opportunities for the cops to gently caress with you. It's completely unrealistic that individual motorists need to know the changes in road laws between states. It's like 95% all the same, but that last 5% is all unnecessary confusion and waste.
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Jun 2, 2020 20:02
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If you don't have a front plate how do automated parking lots work?
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Jun 2, 2020 20:51
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I've never seen those in the U.S. The closest are ones that are paid by a regional toll transponder. Edit: to be clear, parking lots have a pay station with credit card machine that you pay before you leave. You grab a paper ticket when you enter. There can be an attendant at the enter / exit too. Some lower tech ones here just have you put cash in a slot and a guy comes around every few hours to collect it. Kia Soul Enthusias fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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Jun 2, 2020 20:55
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Take a picture of your rear plate? Use a transponder? All of our automated lots use a ticket system though. Ticket at entrance, pay before you exit. PA just permanently went 100% cashless on the Turnpike today. It was supposed to happen in 2022, but they've been operating that way under the pandemic for the past 2.5 months. Cashless toll collection seems to work just fine with rear plate only if you don't have a transponder. The front plate is really only needed as an extra redundancy for things like toll collection in case the rear is unreadable for some reason. I'd be willing to bet though the money spent on double the plates far outweighs the correction for unreadable rear plates.
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Jun 2, 2020 20:55
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dissss posted:If you don't have a front plate how do automated parking lots work? Here in Florida anything that is patrolled by the police's parking crew just means it is a ticket-catching offence to back into a spot. Street parking obviously doesn't matter. For our tolls it's all automated and you get a little ticket in the mail, with a picture of your car, rear plate in plain, readable view.
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Jun 2, 2020 20:57
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Charles posted:I've never seen those in the U.S. The closest are ones that are paid by a regional toll transponder. US is moving to plate based toll systems rather than transponders
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Jun 2, 2020 21:12
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dissss posted:If you don't have a front plate how do automated parking lots work? I'm pretty sure most of those use rear plates. Charles posted:I've never seen those in the U.S. The closest are ones that are paid by a regional toll transponder. Plate based tolls absolutely exist in the US and will become more common.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:13
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In PA, it's a tiered system. You pay less for tolls if you use a transponder since it's easier for them to collect tolls. The plate based billing gets charged at cash rates since it costs them more to mail out a bill and likely have pursue delinquent balances more often.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:18
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bull3964 posted:In PA, it's a tiered system. Same in MA but in the end it's gonna go to plate based.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:19
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Same in MA but in the end it's gonna go to plate based. And then rear mounted bike racks will be banned a year or two later!
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Jun 2, 2020 21:21
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Midjack posted:And then rear mounted bike racks will be banned a year or two later! mashallah
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Jun 2, 2020 21:22
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Midjack posted:And then rear mounted bike racks will be banned a year or two later! They are already illegal if they conceal the plate. You're supposed to use something like this.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:22
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bull3964 posted:In PA, it's a tiered system. I think where plate-based systems are used in Canada, you can pay ahead by entering your license plate and you'll get the reduced rate since they don't have to mail you a bill and figure out all that poo poo.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:23
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:US is moving to plate based toll systems rather than transponders Inner Light posted:Plate based tolls absolutely exist in the US and will become more common. Yeah they've had that here for years but the parking garages in Europe are still different than what we have here, at least from what I've seen so far.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:23
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I am pretty sure that they want the FRONT plates here in  because the private automated traffic light camera operators require a pic of your front plate along with your mug for the $475 ticket they send you. The current car I picked up in November 2019 didn't have a FLP installed, but I have the Skene design bracket ready to go if I get harassed about it.I actually got 2 "fix it tickets" while parked at a mall back in the early 2000's. Re: the ugly faced new BMW coupe, some smartass should make a replacement grill that replaces it with a smaller, normal sized grill and just fills in the rest. Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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Jun 2, 2020 21:26
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Yup, a cash grab with no safety benefits. There's no reason to structure our laws to make that easier. There's next to zero legitimate safety or convenience reasons to require a front plate. People like to cite witnesses for crimes, but you'd be lucky if a witness remembers what color a car is correctly, let alone the full plate number.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:29
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to be clear i'm in favor of rear plate only, but federally mandated
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Jun 2, 2020 21:53
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Eyud posted:Lots more pictures of the new 4: Bimmerpost has a bunch of info too. https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1726459
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Jun 2, 2020 21:59
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I dunno if I was a woman being tailed by a stalker I'd like to call in a license plate from the rear view mirror.
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Jun 2, 2020 22:03
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Charles posted:I dunno if I was a woman being tailed by a stalker I'd like to call in a license plate from the rear view mirror. Again, think about the logistics of that for a second. You have someone who's potentially scared, wanting them to operate a phone, try to pick out backwards numbers/letters in the rearview mirror and then repeat them back to someone else while driving. Then what if it's a night rather than during the day (the most likely situation where this may happen), front plates aren't lighted and the glare from headlights is going to make it next to impossible to read from the rearview mirror. Better to just call the police, say someone is following you and where you are, and arrange for a meeting location for an officer. Not to mention that most stalkers are someone the person already knows and could just tell police "so and so has been following me all day."
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Jun 2, 2020 22:24
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Mr. Apollo posted:Bimmerpost has a bunch of info too. I'm not one of those guys but this is a car that only comes with a slushbox and probably fake engine noises in the cabin. 
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Jun 2, 2020 22:34
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Throatwarbler posted:I'm not one of those guys but this is a car that only comes with a slushbox and probably fake engine noises in the cabin. All BMW have fake engine noises. I just realized that this thing is auto only. What's the point even, I'll have a Lexus instead.
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Jun 2, 2020 22:49
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Russian Bear posted:All BMW have fake engine noises. It’s a reasonably comfortable modern car that feels moderately sporty, that’s the point.
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Jun 2, 2020 23:12
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Mr. Apollo posted:Bimmerpost has a bunch of info too. I just find it so funny that every single picture has a big rear end plate blocking the even bigger kidney grill. There is no way that wasnt intentional or planned to minimize the grill size discussion.
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Jun 2, 2020 23:25
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Mr. Apollo posted:Bimmerpost has a bunch of info too. Lol this is gonna cost more than a C8 Corvette once you add heated seats. Yeah, the C8 isn't a good-looking car, but neither is this!
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Jun 2, 2020 23:28
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YOLOsubmarine posted:It’s a reasonably comfortable modern car that feels moderately sporty, that’s the point. Oh so sorry, unfortunately that was not the answer we were looking for. The correct answer was, "It looks moderately expensive, slight sporty and has a BMW badge", so close though. Better luck next time.
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Jun 2, 2020 23:31
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Franco Caution posted:I just find it so funny that every single picture has a big rear end plate blocking the even bigger kidney grill. maybe? the other funny thing is a lot of the big rear end grilles aren't functional. my father in law had a loaner 7-series and its a bottom breather, all of that panel is blanked off for electronics. 
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Jun 2, 2020 23:48
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https://twitter.com/500f3/status/1267940454621827072?s=19 I saw a variation with the grille removed entirely and it looked every bit as generic as a Tesla.
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Jun 3, 2020 00:26
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Franco Caution posted:I just find it so funny that every single picture has a big rear end plate blocking the even bigger kidney grill. The vast majority of the world requires front plates, it's kind of important how a car looks with a front plate. That BMW definitely looks better with one
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Jun 3, 2020 00:27
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BMW also failed to fix the hood cut line like they did with the 3 series, but I guess they didn't many options due to the grille. Also that grille'a gonna look hilarious with North American size plates.
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Jun 3, 2020 00:28
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smooth jazz posted:Also that grille'a gonna look hilarious with North American size plates. Front plates would be a lot less stylistically egregious if we used euro-style plates. Heck, rear plates, too.
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Jun 3, 2020 00:39
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Olympic Mathlete posted:https://twitter.com/500f3/status/1267940454621827072?s=19 I love that the elongated grilles make the cars look like Hitler.
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Jun 3, 2020 00:54
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Q_res posted:Oh so sorry, unfortunately that was not the answer we were looking for. The correct answer was, "It looks moderately expensive, slight sporty and has a BMW badge", so close though. Better luck next time. It’s a RWD coupe that hit 60 in less than 6 seconds, it is moderately sporty. It’s not a sports car, but it’s not supposed to be. And not having a manual doesn’t fundamentally change anything about the character of the car. If it’s pointless now it’s been pointless for years, just like every other entry level luxury sport coupe.
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Jun 3, 2020 01:17
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TheMadMilkman posted:I’m Utah failure to have a front plate isn’t a primary offense, so you can’t be pulled over for just that. I would probably risk driving without a front plate if only cops could ticket you for it, but here in Oregon parking enforcement is allowed to as well so you're pretty much hosed if you do any street parking.
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Jun 3, 2020 01:30
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Gasoline posted:The vast majority of the world requires front plates, it's kind of important how a car looks with a front plate. That BMW definitely looks better with one I get that most places require plates. Im saying its rare that they get used for photo shoots or reveals. Examples, go look at Mazda, MB, Nissan, VW, etc home pages or photo galleries. No front plates. Maybe its a Euro thing? Peugeot page photos all seem to have front plates.
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Jun 3, 2020 02:22
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Relevant to new car discussion: GM will charge you up to $40 for a front license plate bracket on a factory fresh vehicle.
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Jun 3, 2020 02:40
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Franco Caution posted:Peugeot page photos all seem to have front plates.
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Jun 3, 2020 02:58
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Minto Took posted:Relevant to new car discussion: GM will charge you up to $40 for a front license plate bracket on a factory fresh vehicle. I believe they all do this if you're in a state where it's required? It's an optional accessory in many cases, I remember that being a line item on invoices for Ford and Kia cars I've bought.
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Jun 3, 2020 03:06
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If by all, you mean all car companies, my factory fresh Toyota came with a front plate bracket and it wasn't a line item. It just seems like a lovely thing to do to charge your customers who need one because law requires.
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Both my BRZ and Golf R came with them in the trunk at no extra itemized cost even though my state doesn't even have front plates.
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