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Guavanaut posted:Yeah but you know sure as poo poo that the press and government will try to blame them for the second wave, rather than their relaxing of the lockdown to nothing a few days ago. The government will blame someone for the second wave regardless. It'll be the beachgoers, it'll be the ramblers, it'll be the coffee drinkers, it'll be the pubs that can't do social distancing, it'll be people having barbecues, and watching the footie. I honestly doubt they will blame these protestors, because blaming the protestors means acknowledging the protests even happened, and based on past history of this party's response to mass protests, they'd far prefer to sweep it under the rug and ignore it. In a way, the timing couldn't be worse. But in another, much more real way, the fact that the timing couldn't be worse *is the reason it's happening now*. Protests don't happen when things are good.
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MeinPanzer posted:Pure uncut Aaron Sorkin. He won an Emmy for this role lol
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dunno if this is representative but this is a picture from Hyde park on the guardian live blog People observing social distancing today at a Black Lives Matter protest rally in Hyde Park, London.Photograph: Dominic Lipinski/PA Updated at 11:39 EDT looks like there's a lot of masks too
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thespaceinvader posted:The government will blame someone for the second wave regardless. It'll be the beachgoers, it'll be the ramblers, it'll be the coffee drinkers, it'll be the pubs that can't do social distancing, it'll be people having barbecues, and watching the footie. But the press... the press can blame it on a bunch of lefty protesters and minorities getting involved in yank stuff that isn't any of our business because there's no systemic racism here because if there was someone would have published something about it, and the readers' perfectly necessary trip to the garden centre and the 'spoons (now with giant fan) wasn't anything to do with the second wave.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:11
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Just got back from the Hyde Park protest. That picture is representative of roughly the first hour of the protest, before the real numbers started piling in. There was an impressive effort by organisers to keep folk about two meters apart at least, but that stopped the moment we mobilised to the streets. Almost everyone in sight had a mask at least, many were also being given out.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:16
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Good interview with the author on Novara too
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Jun 3, 2020 17:23
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Jose posted:i saw a comment on twitter ages back that for journalists season 5 retroactively ruined the rest of the show because they saw how ridiculous and poo poo that plot line was so applying that to the rest of the show... I watched the pilot of that show because it was getting good reviews. God drat Jeff Daniels speech was the epitome of white liberalism. 'America used to be so great', yeah when? Was it when police were oppressing the poor in the states and death squads were being funded globally to stop socialism. Was it the decades black people had no rights, or was it the centuries before that when they were kept as literal slaves. I really wonder what period they idolize for all those liberals who get all teary eyed over how great the country used to be.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:33
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People feel before they think, they have an imagined view of the past and they feel it was good, and aren't prepared to believe that society has been hosed for longer than history records, that the world they imagine hasn't existed and building it might be impossible. They need the ideal world to have been real because if it wasn't they wouldn't be able to deal with it.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:37
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Marenghi posted:'America used to be so great', yeah when?
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Jun 3, 2020 17:38
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That opening speech is utter dogshit. It isn't even screenwriting, it's just Daniels repeating Sorkin's intensely poo poo opinions verbatim. I loving loved West Wing as a teenager, and I still feel guilty that it took other people to point out to me that everything Sorkin writes is a bunch of white guys telling each other how big their brains are and periodically telling women to shut up.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:49
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OwlFancier posted:People feel before they think, they have an imagined view of the past and they feel it was good, and aren't prepared to believe that society has been hosed for longer than history records, that the world they imagine hasn't existed and building it might be impossible. Anyone with feelings that strong is at best a latent reactionary until that idealised past is destroyed.
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I think (maybe for them) it would have to be when the New Deal Coalition was making the state actually help people, so from 1932 until the late 1960s, but after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but before the 'ground war' stage in Vietnam in 1965. Maybe like with Ice Cube's good day we can pin this one down to a single day.
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OwlFancier posted:People feel before they think, they have an imagined view of the past and they feel it was good, and aren't prepared to believe that society has been hosed for longer than history records, that the world they imagine hasn't existed and building it might be impossible. I feel like a bunch of them are self-aware enough to just want a return to decorum. Let's say the "moderate" types.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:59
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namesake posted:Anyone with feelings that strong is at best a latent reactionary until that idealised past is destroyed. Oh sure I'm not saying it's a good thing, though I'd veer a bit away from saying that strong feelings are inherently reactionary. But I think the idealization of the past being a thing across a lot of political positions is part of why fascists get popular, cos they take with that and run with it. But it's something a lot of people do. I think it takes a particular outlook (and set of environmental circumstances) to make people who think history is poo poo, it's always been poo poo, and that the only way is forward (by building a synthesis of the good things from the past) but also not turn into a werido musk rat who wants to solve all the problems by going to mars. But idealization of the past is also older than history, for as long as people have been writing stuff down they've been writing down about how good it was before Enmerkar founded Uruk on the flood plain. And you see variations of it from anprims to tankies to fascists to liberals to old geezers at the pub to blitz spirit to there's too many genders now to tradcaths to 2012 olympics to whatever. And they're not wrong that there's some things from the past we can look at and learn from but it's easy to go from that to "let's just return the historical clock back to <x> specific date which I associate positive ideas with, and it'll all be fine." As if that were a thing that was either possible or desirable. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Sorkin's reverence for great men and statesmanship is so intense that I suspect that he has nothing but fond memories of things like the Vietnam War and Watergate because it was filtered through beloved anchorman Walter Cronkite
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Jun 3, 2020 18:03
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OwlFancier posted:Oh sure I'm not saying it's a good thing, though I'd veer a bit away from saying that strong feelings are inherently reactionary. Feelings that strong about a point in time in the past (or a sense of a period in history) is what reaction is in the reactionary-conservative-radical framing of politics, saying 'Wasn't it good back when the NHS was able to provide for everyone?' is not reactionary (although ahistorical still), saying 'Things were better in the 60s' is reactionary.
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Jun 3, 2020 18:12
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https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1268210927335342081?s=19 Truly, we are exceptional and have no need of the pathetic EU
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Jun 3, 2020 18:13
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namesake posted:Feelings that strong about a point in time in the past (or a sense of a period in history) is what reaction is in the reactionary-conservative-radical framing of politics, saying 'Wasn't it good back when the NHS was able to provide for everyone?' is not reactionary (although ahistorical still), saying 'Things were better in the 60s' is reactionary. That I would be more comfortable agreeing with, though I again stress that I'm not sure there is that firm of a line between them. It's not particularly easy to divorce things from the time period they happened in.
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Jun 3, 2020 18:17
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forkboy84 posted:He's a lib. And he's Gus in Season 5 of The Wire iirc Season 5 of the Wire is definitely the worst (though it's a high bar), but Simon really isn't a liberal in the sense that it's usually used in this thread, and absolutely nowhere near the Hollywood centrist liberalism of Sorkin. Hell, you could quite plausibly argue that the Wire is specifically about the complete inadequacy of technocratic liberalism in the face of systemic social problems. It's interesting that The West Wing, for all that it ostensibly focused on governance, entirely avoided these same problems, because its dramatic and political framework couldn't address them (... IIRC; it's been a very long time since I saw it so this might be total bollocks!)
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Jun 3, 2020 18:17
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There's definitely periods of time when people in general tended to feel more positive about the direction things were going though, even if those periods had their own serious structural problems. That's probably the cause of 2012 Olympic nostalgia. We only had crushing austerity with a vaguely apologetic Clegg-face, not crushing austerity and Brexit and pandemic under Johnson. Or late 90s Matrix nostalgia, where Blair had slashed benefits for single mothers and refused any ideology to fix things but at least he hadn't started a war and there was peace in Northern Ireland at long last and terrorism is over, what have you got planned for the Millennium?
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Jun 3, 2020 18:22
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Lid posted:Compare with how layered the schools and political realms were, and the schools only got one season filled with children! The school season does have the problem that Ed Burns, David Simon's writing partner and former teacher, presents his plan to deal with "unsocialised" children and basically says that the schools are either incompetent or corrupt to not immediately implement it everywhere. Even though his plan is just to have a separate class for these kids that teachers put them in because they "just know" that it would be best for them, a plan that seems like it would go awry pretty loving quickly.
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Jun 3, 2020 18:23
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1268210927335342081?s=19 now I can see why Johnson is so proud of the way he's dealt with this, if we can't have a world-beating epidemic at least we'll have a europe-beating one
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Jun 3, 2020 18:32
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lol all this media guff about being still able to travel abroad this summer for beach holidays through “air corridors” if countries have low covid levels -absolutely not what the U.K. is or is going to be
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Jun 3, 2020 18:54
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Technically travel through an air corridor when I go to the bog.
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Jun 3, 2020 18:56
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I'm sure that in a few months, we'll all be proud of the way BRITISH TAXPAYERS are going to FOREIGN COUNTRIES and spreading coronavirus wherever they put their grubby hands, feet, arses and/or faces.
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Jun 3, 2020 18:59
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I'm pretty sure if they've any sense they'll be closing their borders to the plague zone that is the UK.
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Boris Johnson: a liar and a racist? https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1268224411947143171?s=20 Jel Shaker posted:lol all this media guff about being still able to travel abroad this summer for beach holidays through “air corridors” if countries have low covid levels -absolutely not what the U.K. is or is going to be I don't understand why this is such a preoccupation, like yeah the UK is poo poo and we all wish we weren't here but there's a pandemic on? maybe focus on staying alive in the here and now by staying out of the big metal plague tubes and go on holiday next year?
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Jun 3, 2020 19:12
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Or, like, enjoy the absolutely beautiful sunshine we've been having in part thanks to your obsession with the big metal plague tubes?
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XMNN posted:I don't understand why this is such a preoccupation, like yeah the UK is poo poo and we all wish we weren't here but there's a pandemic on? maybe focus on staying alive in the here and now by staying out of the big metal plague tubes and go on holiday next year? Continuous deflection by the government and spinelessness from the media - each new announcement takes attention from current failures and there's no narrative built apart from the bright new thing just on the horizon that will definitely not fail. This'll continue until we're locked out of Schengen or the entire EU because British passengers are so unsafe compared to the rest of Europe and then we no deal Brexit.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:21
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It's too hot and I'd love to go holiday to somewhere more chill tbh
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Jun 3, 2020 19:22
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Comrade Fakename posted:The school season does have the problem that Ed Burns, David Simon's writing partner and former teacher, presents his plan to deal with "unsocialised" children and basically says that the schools are either incompetent or corrupt to not immediately implement it everywhere. Even though his plan is just to have a separate class for these kids that teachers put them in because they "just know" that it would be best for them, a plan that seems like it would go awry pretty loving quickly. Aye but thats true of all Bunny seasons - Hamsterdam is another idea built on what they think would work but its pie in the sky theorising. It works in the contect of the show. Season 5 has no idea what its trying to prove or critique with a solutuon beyond "our newsrooms are dying and being compartmentalised and i am sad" and it even fucks up that message.
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Marenghi posted:I watched the pilot of that show because it was getting good reviews. God drat Jeff Daniels speech was the epitome of white liberalism. 'America used to be so great', yeah when? Was it when police were oppressing the poor in the states and death squads were being funded globally to stop socialism. Was it the decades black people had no rights, or was it the centuries before that when they were kept as literal slaves. its when clinton was president
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Jun 3, 2020 19:28
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Guavanaut posted:There's definitely periods of time when people in general tended to feel more positive about the direction things were going though, even if those periods had their own serious structural problems. I'm not surprised the late 90s especially has a powerful allure for a certain strain of British people; we'd also won the Cold War, there was a sense (deserved or not) that things economically were on the right track, and there was all that Cool Britannia shite where a bunch of people honestly seemed to reckon Spice Girls and Four Weddings and a Funeral heralded an epoch of absolute English cultural dominion worldwide. I'm almost glad that extremely shocking events and longterm problems proceeded to shatter that so thoroughly, because otherwise can you imagine how loving insufferable us early Millennials would be about the era? We'd make boomers look entirely restrained in their nostalgia. We'd make lib dems look reasonable about 2012. Marenghi posted:I watched the pilot of that show because it was getting good reviews. God drat Jeff Daniels speech was the epitome of white liberalism. 'America used to be so great', yeah when? Was it when police were oppressing the poor in the states and death squads were being funded globally to stop socialism. Was it the decades black people had no rights, or was it the centuries before that when they were kept as literal slaves. When there was ~decorum~ of course. When politics was conducted by Great Men who might disagree but followed the rules of the game.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:35
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Lol just had a notification on my phone the BBC have identified a new suspect in the Maddie McCann case
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Jose posted:Lol just had a notification on my phone the BBC have identified a new suspect in the Maddie McCann case They've been keeping that one as an ace in the hole for when the public needs to be truly and thoroughly distracted imho
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Ms Adequate posted:They've been keeping that one as an ace in the hole for when the public needs to be truly and thoroughly distracted imho the information in the guardian article makes you think the police were insanely poo poo because lol how was this guy not a suspect already
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Lid posted:Aye but thats true of all Bunny seasons - Hamsterdam is another idea built on what they think would work but its pie in the sky theorising. It works in the contect of the show. Season 5 has no idea what its trying to prove or critique with a solutuon beyond "our newsrooms are dying and being compartmentalised and i am sad" and it even fucks up that message. hamsterdam is just localised decrim and "aight so now what", there's plenty of evidence to say it'd be vastly superior to the war on drugs. Switzerland's weird "please only do heroin with clean needles in this park, also the heroin is free, thanks" is where any such program actually ends up if you plan to meet the addicts needs before you slam them all into one street, and that had unparalleled recovery rates. Also Marks' liverpool clinic. Also, some localised parts of the Portuguese "gently caress it, do what works" program.
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