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Yeah paying for a Zoom licence suddenly makes it impossible to organise criminal activity. Sort of seems like a protection racket to me but what do I know.
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Jose posted:idk if anyone is using zoom for anything important but they're cops And even if you're using encryption on their platform, they generate and hold the keys for you so they can just decrypt them anyway.
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Jose posted:Lol just had a notification on my phone the BBC have identified a new suspect in the Maddie McCann case Spangly A posted:hamsterdam is just localised decrim and "aight so now what", there's plenty of evidence to say it'd be vastly superior to the war on drugs. Switzerland's weird "please only do heroin with clean needles in this park, also the heroin is free, thanks" is where any such program actually ends up if you plan to meet the addicts needs before you slam them all into one street, and that had unparalleled recovery rates. Also Marks' liverpool clinic. Also, some localised parts of the Portuguese "gently caress it, do what works" program.  It could just be correlation, but a ton of people moving from lovely cut cocaine to a legal drug about 1/8th as harmful [Drug harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis, Lancet 2010; 376: 1558–65] seems to have prevented a whole bunch of deaths. Comrade Fakename posted:Not a good sign:
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Lid posted:Aye but thats true of all Bunny seasons - Hamsterdam is another idea built on what they think would work but its pie in the sky theorising. It works in the contect of the show. I recently rewatched season 3, and I don't think this is fair at all. The hamsterdam storyline has some plausibility issues, but more from the policing side and the whole "its a secret" angle. In terms of zones of decriminalisation, and particularly in terms of dramatising how a policing issue can conceivably be reframed as a health & social work issue, it's remarkably sharp and willing to bring in a variety of complications, and certainly isn't a straight forward but of simplistic theorising. The recent academic and public health approach work on safe injection rooms actually covers some of ground that the wire was examining 15 years ago in the context of a TV drama, which is quite amazing. There's an exploration of issues about access to ancillary servives, about what might happen when lots of vulnerable people are brought together, about how different groups approach it with very different agendas, and I think someone even mentions the public health approach, which was much less common a term in 2004. It's genuinely impressive how much they pack in and try to consider, and still holds up very well
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And 15 years before that, the C4 miniseries Traffik was talking actual addiction science vs. conservative moralizing. It's not as good as The Wire, but it did break a path for shows like it by showing the opium grower as a sympathetic farmer but still caught up in some bad poo poo rather than an evil brown drug man, and multiple points of view and arcs from different perspectives of a corrupt system.
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Just cooked up the first batch of Apple Pie fudge. It’s amazing and now my house smells absolutely wonderful. Just thought you guys would want to know  
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Camrath posted:Just cooked up the first batch of Apple Pie fudge. It’s amazing and now my house smells absolutely wonderful. Sounds yummy Tonight 9pm: https://twitter.com/MyArrse/status/1268230622012747777?s=20 I'd watch, but other Dispatches programmes have been problematic so much I love to see any takedown of Spaffer & Cummings, I'll wait to see the various verdicts to decide whether to watch on Catch Up.
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Camrath posted:Just cooked up the first batch of Apple Pie fudge. It’s amazing and now my house smells absolutely wonderful. H*ck yeah!
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https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1268263706728767489 Death cult.
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ukmt sickos  e: hopefully none of the good MPs were in there tho
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lol if they immediately all get coronavirus because of that stupid vote
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I'd really rather if Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell et al didn't die.
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XMNN posted:yeah they voted to abolish the remote voting although I think they may have u turned slightly on completely disenfranchising shielding MPs by giving them a proxy vote pairing is back on since the election happened & the end of minority government. so MPs self isolating aren't in effect screwed out totally since someone from the other side will be taken out to counter the lost vote. will be a bit hosed if there's a big surge in the number of MPs who can't or refuse to go in and pairing totally breaks down. between dealing with the pandemic, global recession, and end of Brexit transition without a trade deal I doubt the long overdue expansion of proxy voting could possibly have time to get a look in.
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Cerv posted:they can conference call to for debates but no proxy votes AFAIK. that's still for maternity cover only. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/03/mps-shielding-from-covid-19-allowed-proxy-vote-in-johnson-u-turn
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Cerv posted:they can conference call to for debates but no proxy votes AFAIK. that's still for maternity cover only. considering the utter freak out at empty shelves when coronavirus first hit i'm really curious what the gently caress they think the response will be when its long term also surprised more tories didn't vote for remote voting when its a long time before the next election for them to get punished for it and its their lives literally on the line Jose fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Cerv posted:they can conference call to for debates but no proxy votes AFAIK. that's still for maternity cover only. looks like this changed at pmqs (assuming Johnson wasn't just making things up on the fly that he had no intention of doing again obv), although the article says proxy voting and Johnson said remote voting, so no idea what the actual arrangements are https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/03/mps-shielding-from-covid-19-allowed-proxy-vote-in-johnson-u-turn quote:Boris Johnson has announced a government U-turn to allow MPs who are shielding to vote by proxy following an outcry over the treatment of parliamentarians with medical conditions or those who are looking after vulnerable loved ones during the coronavirus pandemic. I'm lolling at the people in the replies to that tweet asking why he came in when he was symptomatic, when unless he had a cough or knew he had a high temperature (and maybe anosmia is also in there now?) then that he wouldn't have needed to under the government guidelines, and it's not like we don't have a ridiculous culture of presenteeism generally and his bosses haven't been saying that if you're not at work then you're not working for the last few days e:f;b XMNN fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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feedmegin posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/03/mps-shielding-from-covid-19-allowed-proxy-vote-in-johnson-u-turn cheers. totally missed that this afternoon 
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And the thing is i bet most of this wont be in the news so anyone outside of London will barely have a clue it's happening unless they're tuned into twitter feeds. It's the exact same way they'll treat the second corona virus outbreak. They'll simply stop counting or stop reporting the numbers and let enough people just slip back into normality because they know that for most people the virus is a headline in a newspaper happening to someone else. England isn't going to go back into lockdown, no matter what happens now. The unreported death toll is going to skyrocket while most people move on because it's not directly affecting them and thus they won't really give a poo poo. I'm just waiting for the inevitable spin on us being quarantined by other countries because they realise we're one of the few places where the virus is still rampant.
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Jose posted:considering the utter freak out at empty shelves when coronavirus first hit i'm really curious what the gently caress they think the response will be when its long term The cognitive dissonance between the government telling everyone to go back to work and have barbecues while people are simultaneously beating the poo poo out of each other over big roll is going to be unreal
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Kin posted:And the thing is i bet most of this wont be in the news so anyone outside of London will barely have a clue it's happening unless they're tuned into twitter feeds. If it comes as any consolation there are more protests planned in several cities this weekend. But yeah I'm with you basically; we're all hosed.
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Jose posted:check out what the US paper of record is publishing The last thing the NYT is ever going to publish will be an op-ed about how it's actually okay that the NYT staff is being herded to a shallow ditch for execution.
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Ms Adequate posted:I'm not surprised the late 90s especially has a powerful allure for a certain strain of British people; we'd also won the Cold War, there was a sense (deserved or not) that things economically were on the right track, and there was all that Cool Britannia shite where a bunch of people honestly seemed to reckon Spice Girls and Four Weddings and a Funeral heralded an epoch of absolute English cultural dominion worldwide. It Came From PistonHeads (which currently has an insufferable 'Cool Britannia' reminiscing thread): quote:Ah yes, the 90's. I was in my early twenties, bought first house, got my first TVR Griffith (a lovely 4 litre) and really did feel like a rock star. Happy days!  quote:Best time ever in the uk, although we are still paying the price. 1997 to 2007, everything just arrived. Loads of jobs, rampant house price inflation, arrival of Internet and mobiles to the masses, (before any pedants chip in, mobile use exploded in 2000 due to payg). More of everything, more channels on tv, huge expansion of cheap credit, huge interest in cars due to top gear, and the pub scene at the time was superb, great atmosphere etc.  And... quote:As I mentioned in another thread, my favourite era was probably 2010-2016. For me, it was ‘peak Britain’. See
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Jose posted:check out what the US paper of record is publishing Chapo are always talking about that guy.
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If anyone wants some homegrown not-uncritically-positive police shows, try The Cops (one of the best openings to any show ever, won two Best Drama BAFTAs, and achieved the always-reliable distinction of having official police advice withdrawn) or The Bill from before it got overly cosy and comfortable in the mid-90s; both have been uploaded to a popular video-sharing website.
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In other news about disastrous handling of COVID-19, the other country that tried the Herd Immunity method admitted that it ballsed it all up. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-sweden-lockdown-cases-anders-tegnell-deaths-a9545746.html My favourite quote is this one. quote:Mr Tegnell said on Wednesday: “If we would encounter the same disease, with exactly what we know about it today, I think we would land midway between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did.” So if Sweden had to do it again, they'd do it less like Sweden, but still not do what everyone else did.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:The pub scene in the late 90s was loving shite, every high street had the same eight chain pubs on it and they all looked the same inside and somehow only Wetherspoons and Walkabout survived There was one chain one on the estate proper that closed in the 80s, was repeatedly smashed up, and finally set on fire in the early 90s and you could see it from the whole estate.
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The Question IRL posted:In other news about disastrous handling of COVID-19, the other country that tried the Herd Immunity method admitted that it ballsed it all up. You know of all the countries, I never would have guessed Sweden would be the one to go full blast for the insane herd immunity strategy
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ThomasPaine posted:You know of all the countries, I never would have guessed Sweden would be the one to go full blast for the insane herd immunity strategy Sweden gets a lot of good press - not necessarily deserved. It's one of the biggest (3rd biggest?) arms dealers in the world for a start off.
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Prince John posted:Yeah, they're so loving wafty. This got posted by Nate from TF and then he deleted his post after noticing the conspiracies devolve into "Russians" and "Bernie Bros". Liberals will try to delegitimise the protests because of violence, the next step from "there are instigators throwing bricks that don't represent the true honest peaceful protest" isn't "the protest is peaceful, let's do what they ask", it will be "ah the violence isn't a natural consequence of racial tension being pushed to breaking, it's deliberate, the cops are justified". Like it plays into the narrative that violence at a protest delegitimises the protest by painting it as a deliberate. "This brick was thrown deliberately to delegitimise this, it has now been delegitimised". Black people are perfectly capable of rioting, throwing bricks, torching cop cars, and they're completely right to do so. Trying to find canny white tricksters who have ensnared the peaceful naive black protester is some patronising bullshit.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Sweden gets a lot of good press - not necessarily deserved. It's one of the biggest (3rd biggest?) arms dealers in the world for a start off. It seems to get referenced a lot as one of the most progressive countries by some people and an SJW state by others. Is the government a bunch of lib dems or something?
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