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Cassie's monologue on nature in her next book is one of the better parts of the series.
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 14:50 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 12:01 |
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Epicurius posted:This, however, is a pretty good book (Except for one part in the end that I think is kind of stupid and I plan on mocking whale Jesus), so don't worry, new Animorphs fans! You're going to have a good time. Whale Jesus never showing up again in the series was kind of a letdown. I was hoping for something truly epic to happen later in the series, but nope.
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 17:36 |
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SardonicTyrant posted:Cassie's monologue on nature in her next book is one of the better parts of the series. I remember being shocked on a reread almost 20 years later how much of it I had internalized, it's really good. I remember the Ellimist having another good one on the beauty of Earth much later in the series. I think I either never got to the point where the Cassie/Rachel books go downhill or don't remember it, because I was surprised by all the Cassie hate too. Anyway this book rocks and we're in for a huge treat
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 17:52 |
The worst book is the Rachel starfish book I will die on this hill
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 18:01 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:The worst book is the Rachel starfish book It's loving awful, and hilariously, even though it's in the ghostwriting period, Applegate/Grant wrote it themselves.
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 18:05 |
Hahaha man they were just drunk as poo poo on their enormous royalties by then weren't they
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 18:08 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:The worst book is the Rachel starfish book Honestly Rachel got poo poo on pretty hard by the series. At least Cassie is the only one that survives after Jake and the rest of the surviving OG Animorphs decide to ram their space ship into the Yeerk ship that is taken over by whatever the Evil multidimensional entity is.
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 18:44 |
biracial bear for uncut posted:Honestly Rachel got poo poo on pretty hard by the series. Mmmmm, their ends all make sense though. Rachel is pretty much a pure warrior by the end of the series and wouldn't have survived peace. Cassie tried to get out several times and finally succeeded. It felt earnt. Honestly having done a whole series read through a couple years back you could probably skip about 20 books and not really miss anything of note.
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 19:54 |
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The Message-Chapter 2quote:Birds! Big birds with nasty claws. All around me. I wouldn't want to be a squirrel. I'm exhausted just reading this. quote:With the nut stuffed into my jaw, I ran. This whole "I'm going to turn into a prey animal to attract a predator" thing is just a bad idea, and this is the second time they tried it. quote:<Well, I certainly can't criticize anyone who wants to rescue birds,> he said. He fluffed his wings and began preening some ruffled feathers. That's love. Also, Jake's weird. quote:<l hear something,> Tobias said, suddenly alert. Same quote:"Okay, Daddy," I said. Spooky!
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 23:39 |
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I do appreciate that for as adept as Cassie is at the actual physical act of morphing, being able to control it to an almost artistic degree at times, she’s kind fo garbage at keeping the morph’s animal instincts in check. It’s a nice little balance.
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 00:49 |
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nine-gear crow posted:I do appreciate that for as adept as Cassie is at the actual physical act of morphing, being able to control it to an almost artistic degree at times, she’s kind fo garbage at keeping the morph’s animal instincts in check. It’s a nice little balance. Good point! These books are honestly a lot better than I remember.
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 04:34 |
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The Message-Chapter 3quote:No, I haven't had any weird dreams about the sea," Marco said. "I've had weird dreams about my sheets trying to strangle me. I've had weird dreams about falling from way up high and when I finally land I'm in Mister Rogers' Neighborhood talking to King Friday. I've had weird dreams about that woman on Baywatch . . . hmm, well, that does kind of involve the ocean, I guess." It's...an interesting dream. quote:We were in Rachel's room the next day, after school. Her room is so neat. Straight out of a magazine, you know? Like everything matches or goes together. She has this bulletin board where she puts little wise sayings on Post-it notes. I think I might have mentioned before that Cassie of all of the Animorphs, probably has the most emotional intelligence. She understands people. quote:"Rachel," Jake interrupted, "I think I have something that may be interesting." He pulled a videocassette out of his bag. So...does Jake just tape the news? Because, how did that go down last night? He saw the story was going to come on, and somehow he found a tape, put it in, and pressed record? I mean, that takes time. quote:"Okay . . . so?" Marco prodded. So that's not good.
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 22:42 |
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Epicurius posted:The Message-Chapter 3 I think this also ties in with her morphing abilities and trouble with the morphs' minds - she understands animals a little more intuitively from all the time she spends with them, both anatomically/medically which may help her smooth out and control the actual morphing, and on an empathetic level which may allow the animal mind a little more leeway when she's first trying out a morph. I think I remember a lot of that animal instinct coming up in this book. Interesting to think about whether the news would play this segment if the station had been taken over by Yeerks. I think it's fair to assume that the Yeerks wouldn't broadcast that info if they had control, unless they want to lure out the "Andalite" bandits. There's no way for the kids to really know, for sure. I can't remember how this resolves other than the broad strokes, so it will be cool to see.
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 22:59 |
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:Interesting to think about whether the news would play this segment if the station had been taken over by Yeerks. I think it's fair to assume that the Yeerks wouldn't broadcast that info if they had control, unless they want to lure out the "Andalite" bandits. There's no way for the kids to really know, for sure. I can't remember how this resolves other than the broad strokes, so it will be cool to see.
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 23:48 |
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Do we know how easy/difficult the yeerk takeover process is? Like could you just drop a bunch into someone's house at night and they'd climb up the hosts ears quietly, or would they need to be restrained first so they don't put up a fight.
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 10:41 |
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They're blind, and can't live outside of water for long. You basically need to drop the yeerk straight into the ear.
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 11:08 |
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Yeerks are blind and almost helpless outside a host body. AFAIK, the only time a yeerk has possessed someone outside a yeerk pool was directly ear to ear.
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 11:09 |
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There's a few books we won't see for quite a while (but i think have been mentioned once or twice?) that show us that the Yeerks had a bit of a task just understanding Human society, even on such basic things as "People watch the news to gather information about current events". I mean, brain slugs don't have evening news and I bet Visser Three doesn't even watch the silly human talkbox. It's entirely possible that they don't yet understand how to (or have the means to) control the flow of information. The books like to paint the Animorphs as coming into the game halfway through and desperately trying to figure out what to do and how to do it, but I don't think the yeerks are much farther ahead in the game at this point.
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 19:28 |
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We do know, at least, that the Yeerks have people in the local police (The cop that got Cassie in the first book), in print journalism (the paper running the story about a bunch of kids lighting off fireworks in the abandoned construction site), and the FBI (Chapman tells Visser 3 about it in Book 2, but Visser 3 has cats on his mind).
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 19:37 |
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Radio Free Kobold posted:There's a few books we won't see for quite a while (but i think have been mentioned once or twice?) that show us that the Yeerks had a bit of a task just understanding Human society, even on such basic things as "People watch the news to gather information about current events". I mean, brain slugs don't have evening news and I bet Visser Three doesn't even watch the silly human talkbox. It's entirely possible that they don't yet understand how to (or have the means to) control the flow of information. The books like to paint the Animorphs as coming into the game halfway through and desperately trying to figure out what to do and how to do it, but I don't think the yeerks are much farther ahead in the game at this point. The Yeerks with human hosts understand this stuff pretty well, because they have access to the human hosts' memories. It's more Visser Three and the ones with Hork-Bajr and Taxxon hosts who don't quite "get" human society. Which makes Visser Three a questionable choice to lead the invasion, come to think of it.
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 21:35 |
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Silver2195 posted:The Yeerks with human hosts understand this stuff pretty well, because they have access to the human hosts' memories. It's more Visser Three and the ones with Hork-Bajr and Taxxon hosts who don't quite "get" human society. Which makes Visser Three a questionable choice to lead the invasion, come to think of it. Well, good news, we’re T-minus 1 book away from the arrival of the Best Yeerk.
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 21:41 |
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The Message-Chapter 4quote:I was falling, falling, falling. That's Marco again, thinking strategically. quote:Rachel's eyes flared the way they do when someone tells her something she doesn't want to hear. "I'm calling nine-one-one," she said tersely. A little about Marco here. Marco, I think, in the first few books, seems to, on the surface, fit that typical trope...he's the guy who disagrees but is always wrong. "Hey, guys, maybe we shouldn't go on this adventure. Hey guys, maybe the hell with this animorphs thing". You'd see this a lot in cartoons in the 80s and 90s...so much so that it was almost mandated. In the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon, there was Eric. In Captain Planet, there was Wheeler. The sort of ur-example was a show that ran from 1984-85 called "The Get Along Gang", where anyone who disagreed with the group consensus was inevitably shown to be a total and complete idiot. The cartoon "Garfield and Friends" parodied this with the "Buddy Bears", a group of bears who's optimism and teamwork would always come up against Garfield's cynicism. So, on first glance, Marco seems to fit that sort of trope of the whiner, the pessimist, the stick in the mud, but when you look closer, first, most of Marco's complaints are justified, and his predictions are usually right, even if they're not particularly positive. On top of that, for all his complaining, and sarcasm, Marco is inevitably there for his friends, usually making their plans better. In the last book, when the group wanted to go to the lake to ambush the Yeerk ship, Marco said no, and at first, it seemed like he was just turning them down, but in reality, it was "No, don't go on a weekday, we should go on a weekend, so we don't have to skip school and look suspicious. And, as we've seen, a lot of what Marco does is in that vein. It makes him a good foil to Jake. Jake is the better leader, and incredibly optimistic, sometimes to a fault. He's the better tactician...he's the person who says, "I have a plan to win this battle". But Marco's a better strategist. He's the one saying, "Should we fight this battle, and what will happen if we win or lose?
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# ? Jun 5, 2020 00:09 |
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Epicurius posted:A little about Marco here. Marco, I think, in the first few books, seems to, on the surface, fit that typical trope...he's the guy who disagrees but is always wrong. "Hey, guys, maybe we shouldn't go on this adventure. Hey guys, maybe the hell with this animorphs thing". You'd see this a lot in cartoons in the 80s and 90s...so much so that it was almost mandated. In the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon, there was Eric. In Captain Planet, there was Wheeler. The sort of ur-example was a show that ran from 1984-85 called "The Get Along Gang", where anyone who disagreed with the group consensus was inevitably shown to be a total and complete idiot. The cartoon "Garfield and Friends" parodied this with the "Buddy Bears", a group of bears who's optimism and teamwork would always come up against Garfield's cynicism. This has summed up why I always liked Marco even early on. And why he's such a critical component of the team.
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# ? Jun 5, 2020 00:52 |
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Wait, can it be? Oh yeah. Oh yeah! Best Boy is about to enter the game!
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# ? Jun 5, 2020 04:31 |
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It's interesting coming back to this as an adult. I never disliked any of the team (though I never got to the ghostwritten books), but found Tobias more interesting because of his alienation from the team and struggle with not being completely human anymore. I always found Marco hilarious but whoa is he a great, complex, and vital character. I didn't really realise just how dead they would be without him. Can't wait to get to his first book. And AX. Cinnamon buns cometh!
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# ? Jun 5, 2020 08:57 |
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With Tobias it's prob because of spoiler but I wonder why Cassie felt this so strongly when the other kids didn't. Same thing that makes her better than everyone at morphing probably, is that gonna be explained or is it just her Mary Sueishness coming through?
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# ? Jun 5, 2020 09:18 |
Kchama posted:This has summed up why I always liked Marco even early on. And why he's such a critical component of the team. To not only buck that "The Complainer Is Wrong" trope, but to almost announce it, has a pretty interesting degree of self-awareness. Particularly since that was still a big thing in kid's media when these were new. ((EDIT because I accidentally posted)) You could see this in the first book, even, with his pessimism about the attack on the school pool. I didn't really put my finger on it until Epicurius spelled it out, but it has quite obviously been there from the beginning. Gnoman fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Jun 5, 2020 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2020 09:29 |
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The Message-Chapter 5quote:You do realize that if we're down here at the beach because of that news story, some Controllers are probably down here, too?" Marco asked for about the tenth time. For those who don't remember, the Psychic Friends Network was a 900 number where you could call and get advice from "real psychics". 900 numbers, for those of you who don't know were a service where you'd be charged a certain amount a minute. At it height, the company made $125 million a year. quote:"Why Cassie and Tobias?" Rachel wondered aloud, ignoring Marco. "Why would they get these images so clearly and the rest of us barely felt anything? So, Marco's theory is the same as Avalerion's. quote:Suddenly a dark shape swooped low over our heads. <Lights!> Tobias said. <Up ahead on the beach. There's a bunch of people moving in a line with flashlights, like they're searching for something. You can't see them yet because they're hidden by that dune. But they'll be here in a couple of minutes.> Visser Three-still the universe's worst boss. Also, more evidence regarding the Andalite connection. quote:Suddenly I saw the line of flashlights swing into view. There must have been twenty people strung across the beach, all looking down at the sand, moving forward slowly.
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# ? Jun 6, 2020 00:18 |
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Epicurius posted:And Tobias is never happy, period. He thinks if he's ever happy, someone will just come along and take his happiness away. I mean, he's not wrong.
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# ? Jun 6, 2020 00:23 |
A loving kid’s series is better written than Twilight.
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# ? Jun 6, 2020 01:07 |
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I was actually thinking of that specifically in reference to Meyer managing to come up with really interesting concepts and do nothing with them or write then in the most interesting way possible. With a seemingly silly conceit and a much more limited 'palette' of YA appropriate language, these books do a much, much better job of actually telling a story.
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# ? Jun 6, 2020 01:37 |
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chitoryu12 posted:A loving kid’s series is better written than Twilight. The kids' series also respects its audience's intelligence significantly more.
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# ? Jun 6, 2020 02:54 |
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It’s wild the controllers shoot instantly. Gotta be a better way of running a stealth mission.
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# ? Jun 6, 2020 05:07 |
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Fritzler posted:It’s wild the controllers shoot instantly. Gotta be a better way of running a stealth mission. Yeerks don't have a lot of experience with 'stealth'.
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# ? Jun 6, 2020 05:28 |
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Chapter 6quote:It seemed totally crazy. One of the big weaknesses in any group culture is "groupthink", the tendency of a group to see things as a specific way and take their assumptions for granted.A big part of leadership is the ability to set up a situation where your subordinates feel comfortable contributing their ideas and suggestions. This exposes you and the group to new ideas, and helps reduce groupthink. Needless to say, turning into a creature that sucks your subordinates out of their host and eating them isn't very conducive to your subordinates challenging the conventional wisdom. quote:The morph was complete. I was a fish, less than a foot long. A trout, to be exact. Excellent broiled, fried, or grilled. Bonus to the author for remembering the difference between freshwater and saltwater fish.
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# ? Jun 6, 2020 23:41 |
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You'd have thought Visser Three would have given his minions A Talk about being trigger happy given the events of last book. Guys, I don't know how to tell you this, but I think he may be a bad manager! It's nice to see that conversation between Chapman and Tom. I'm now imagining Yeerks grousing around the watercooler about management being stupid again. But it gives them a bit of dimension, in that they are not all in lockstep. And of course we see more of that later on.
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# ? Jun 7, 2020 09:08 |
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https://twitter.com/ernestwilkins/status/1269497692809572352
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# ? Jun 7, 2020 19:06 |
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Grant, meanwhile, has been spewing non-stop righteous fire. The two of them together are a great one-two combo.
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# ? Jun 7, 2020 19:52 |
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The Message-Chapter 7quote:The next couple of days we didn't get together, except for passing each other in the hall ways at school. We do have lives beyond being Animorphs, after all. Ah, young love. quote:"So," he said at last. So, good for Cassie here, willing to step up. quote:I sighed and looked around at the barn. It smelled pretty bad, and sometimes it was a nuthouse of yammering birds and howling wolves and whinnying horses, all needing care, and all scared of the care we gave them. But it was the place I felt most at home in the whole world. So, Jake is smooth. But more seriously, what do you think of Cassie's reluctance here to morph dolphins because they're intelligent?
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# ? Jun 7, 2020 23:51 |
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Epicurius posted:The Message-Chapter 7 One of them already morphed a gorilla so they really should have thought about this already. That aside, I don't really have a problem with it because it has no effect on the real dolphin being morphed, so that while it might be distasteful it's not actually harmful.
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# ? Jun 8, 2020 00:21 |