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Solemn Sloth posted:Like in the absence of considering any of the million other options they could have done instead or in concert with this, a new home builders grant isn't a terrible idea, but pouring more money on the fire of housing affordability isn't a responsible approach (nor is it intended to be, it's intended to shut the construction industry up and pander to housing affordability complaints without addressing any of the structural causes) Yeah and instead of making boomers etc leverage their properties value to fund this, it should be social housing instead, all the developments in the current growth corridors should be 20% social housing.
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Quantum Shart posted:Yeah and instead of making boomers etc leverage their properties value to fund this, it should be social housing instead, all the developments in the current growth corridors should be 20% social housing. My local council is currently looking at how it could get a 75% windfall value capture on rezoning and a 6% floorspace contribution on development to fund social and affordable housing. Going to be a hard slog, but the only way these kind of changes have ever happened in planning (in Vic at least) is councils dragging the State kicking and screaming.
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Quantum Shart posted:Yeah and instead of making boomers etc leverage their properties value to fund this, it should be social housing instead, all the developments in the current growth corridors should be 20% social housing. While having more social housing is a definite net good and I 100% support it, its detractors will point towards the whole social housing suburbs that were built and then became dangerous and rundown. Does anyone have a handy list of examples of the "good" ways mass social housing has been built?
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It needs to be integrated not segregated from what i recall.
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The good ways are exactly as described up above, where you scatter the properties in with higher income housing areas.
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Senor Tron posted:While having more social housing is a definite net good and I 100% support it, its detractors will point towards the whole social housing suburbs that were built and then became dangerous and rundown. Does anyone have a handy list of examples of the "good" ways mass social housing has been built? https://www.planetizen.com/node/66252 The Canberra system has been largely successful and is based on scattering public housing inside private development. Police anecdote incoming I had a major incident on the road and while still in shock gave my dashcam to the Police so they could download the data. I have never seen the dashcam or the footage since and Police deny all knowledge of either. I had a smash in robbery at a property I own. I put the cctv footage on a USB stick and provided it to Police. I have never seen that USB stick again and Police have not informed me of any proceedings or recovered any of the goods, to my knowledge. So when you deal with the Police you get to be robbed twice! Thanks coppers! I was pulled over by the Police and in giving the reason for pulling me over the copper barefacedly lied and when I questioned his version he arced up put his hand on his tazer and screamed "Are you calling me a liar!?" Also a reminder that in NSW magistrates only routinely caution juries in regard to testimony by one class of witness; Police. Their record is that bad. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/UNSWLJ/1980/5.pdf Cartoon fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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Cartoon posted:https://www.arch2o.com/successful-public-housing-projects/ Thanks, I know the principle of having them scattered around is the most effective one, but having hard examples to point to is good.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-04/tasmanian-government-announces-coronavirus-construction-package/12319636 "The Tasmanian Government will expand its first home builders funding of $20,000 for any owner-occupier to build a house and commit $100,000 for social housing under a new package in response to the coronavirus pandemic." Premier Peter Gutwein said the expansion of the first home builders grant to any owner-occupier would open for the next six months. "I'm so very pleased the Federal Government is making a $25,000 injection as well, meaning that there will be, for those who qualify, $45,000 available if you're going to build a home in Tasmania," he said. "That $45,000, you will need to sign a contract from today until the end of December, you will need to be able to begin construction in three months. All the land I've looked at recently doesn't title until March next year at the earliest, bit waaay to tight a timeframe to be honest, you're trying to ensure work over the next year or more.
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norp posted:The good ways are exactly as described up above, where you scatter the properties in with higher income housing areas. while we are talking about fantasy things that will never happen might as well get the residents of those areas to pay for it and help construct it.
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Cartoon posted:
I can kiiiinda address this one. In my office if we are given a USB stick with CCTV footage on it to be used as evidence the USB stick stays with us for the full time that evidence is to be held. It is now part of that chain of evidence. Typically they don't get receipted because, at least in our line of work, people know it's not coming back and they generally don't care about one USB stick. If our people turned up somewhere to collect the footage on our own USB's obviously they're ours but that USB would then also not be used again until the period of time that we are required to keep physical evidence is reached. Yes even if we had digital copies of it stored in our servers. With regard to your dashcam though you should have been given a receipt. Sorry about that.
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Laserface posted:while we are talking about fantasy things that will never happen might as well get the residents of those areas to pay for it and help construct it. It's actively occurring right now all throughout Melbourne. https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/flemington-estate
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-04/magic-mushrooms-foraging-with-nannup-police/12317246quote:"But the hazardous effect on your body alone is terrible, plus, the impact it has on us as serving police officers trying to protect our community takes us away from our normal jobs." it is incredible how close these idiots get to the idea that drugs are a health issue, not a criminal issue (outside of importation and manufacture) and then just completely veer right back to treating them as a crime issue. Just decriminalise them if you dont want to police it. They arent addictive, they arent toxic and they arent really that easy to come by. I mean the article about Denver doing exactly that is linked immediately below the article, alongside another article about how they are being used to treat depression. Laserface fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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Thank you heaps for the anonymous donation!! (if it was from someone here)
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Laserface posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-04/magic-mushrooms-foraging-with-nannup-police/12317246 quote:'oh, someone's at the coffee shop and they're wearing just a pair of pants and a bra and they're crying and laughing out the front sitting on a chair' — they're the sorts of things we don't want Whoa better declare a war on drugs to stop this from happening. Like air some TV ads with black and white footage of someone "at the coffee shop and they're wearing just a pair of pants and a bra and they're crying and laughing out the front sitting on a chair", that'll definitely scare the kids off doing drugs.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Whoa better declare a war on drugs to stop this from happening. Like air some TV ads with black and white footage of someone "at the coffee shop and they're wearing just a pair of pants and a bra and they're crying and laughing out the front sitting on a chair", that'll definitely scare the kids off doing drugs. This is just how I live my life, okay? Super rude of them to assume I'm on drugs.
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Quantum Shart posted:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/03/morrison-government-to-offer-25000-grants-to-help-build-and-renovate-homes Yeah I'm thinking I'll try and take advantage of this. Does the $45k essentially count towards the deposit? Quantum Shart posted:
This is the kind of poo poo I have no idea about. Who would be the best people to contact to get an idea of timeframes and the steps I need to take to get the ball rolling? As an aside, how long do you typically need to be in a job to get a loan? I'm thinking of changing jobs but I'm worried that if I need to be in it for a certain period of time I'll miss out on the federal grant.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygI-2F8ApUM
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gay picnic defence posted:Yeah I'm thinking I'll try and take advantage of this. Does the $45k essentially count towards the deposit? I'll DM you
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https://www.theguardian.com/austral...n-custody-rallyquote:Scott Morrison has warned against “importing the things that are happening overseas to Australia” after protesters gathered in Sydney to denounce the killing of George Floyd in the United States and to rally against Indigenous deaths in custody. Further protests are planned in cities around Australia in the next few days. Good news, there's nothing to worry about here, the government is on it.
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Yeast posted:It's actively occurring right now all throughout Melbourne. It's also been happening in Victoria for the last 10 years as they renew each estate one by one
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Victoria is probably not the shining light to use for social housing given we have the lowest % in the nation and just announced half a billion dollars to create 167 new units (we need to create more than 30 times that every year for the next ten years just to address current backlog of need)
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Solemn Sloth posted:Victoria is probably not the shining light to use for social housing given we have the lowest % in the nation and just announced half a billion dollars to create 167 new units (we need to create more than 30 times that every year for the next ten years just to address current backlog of need) How the poo poo are they spending $3m on a unit?
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NPR Journalizard posted:How the poo poo are they spending $3m on a unit? $500k for the unit, $2.5 mil for some developer who donated to the party.
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When I mentioned community housing some time ago, someone pointed out Austria and it is well worth looking up if you are interested in researching further reading - really quite good success.
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NPR Journalizard posted:How the poo poo are they spending $3m on a unit? I assume that included the public service overheads, ie that money is not just the units themselves but the department costs to administer the project.
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NPR Journalizard posted:How the poo poo are they spending $3m on a unit? about 90% of it is to repaint existing units
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BLM protest here in Canberra tomorrow - any goons going?
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Solemn Sloth posted:Victoria is probably not the shining light to use for social housing given we have the lowest % in the nation and just announced half a billion dollars to create 167 new units (we need to create more than 30 times that every year for the next ten years just to address current backlog of need) we have the lowest percentage relative to what our post war population was when it was built. it was just never invested in along with our growth compared to the NSW
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also i'm am not defending the lack of social housing in victoria in any way, shape or form. the state govt could grow social housing stock in short order by handing over the majority of public housing stock to the community housing orgs who can then leverage against them to finance loans to redevelop them and develop many more. however having a gently caress load of prime real estate on your balance sheet is (apparently) a big part of victoria's AAA credit rating.
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gay picnic defence posted:Yeah I'm thinking I'll try and take advantage of this. Does the $45k essentially count towards the deposit? It's somewhat similar; if it works the same was as Queensland FHOG grants, essentially that money goes towards the build i.e. you don't have to borrow that much extra for your loan. This amount also goes towards calculating your LMI if it applies. Just be sure that the build contract is entered into between now and the end of the year. I'm getting towards the end of getting my build contract done (there's been delays due to the block I wanted not being able to get registered till next year), but I think six months should be achievable if you're building a new home. Just be aware of choke points for delays - engineering drawings (which are paid out of your own pocket, and I imagine there'll be a rush for their services now), colour selection (had mine delayed due to Covid-19 restrictions) etc. Just make sure you've got your land registered very, very early; better yet, have a block of land ready for purchase. Edit: Typically most banks want you to be out of your probationary period. 12 months at the least is ideal. I was considering changing jobs as well but wanted my finance in first given a strong employment history. Each lender is different so ask around, though probationary periods might cause you to think twice for the moment. ASIC v Danny Bro fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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hambeet posted:also i'm am not defending the lack of social housing in victoria in any way, shape or form. the state govt could grow social housing stock in short order by handing over the majority of public housing stock to the community housing orgs who can then leverage against them to finance loans to redevelop them and develop many more. however having a gently caress load of prime real estate on your balance sheet is (apparently) a big part of victoria's AAA credit rating. It's important to have a strong economy so that we can safeguard what truly matters, for e.g. the right to housing. To this end we have mandated a Minimum Homelessness Quotient, to ensure a sufficient buffer to protect the housing market, which, in turn, will-- wait, did I already say protect the housing market? My cue cards misprinted and now it's stuck on a loop
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I really don’t think having a major protest in Melbourne this weekend while there are still clusters popping off is very responsible. I support the cause but I really don’t know what they are thinking having it on now.
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hambeet posted:we have the lowest percentage relative to what our post war population was when it was built. CHIA saying lowest rate of social housing as % of total housing stock in the nation here: https://chiavic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Make-Social-Housing-Work-FINAL.pdf hambeet posted:also i'm am not defending the lack of social housing in victoria in any way, shape or form. the state govt could grow social housing stock in short order by handing over the majority of public housing stock to the community housing orgs who can then leverage against them to finance loans to redevelop them and develop many more. however having a gently caress load of prime real estate on your balance sheet is (apparently) a big part of victoria's AAA credit rating. The credit rating excuse doesn't really hold water when they're selling off big chunks of it to private tenure as part of the public housing renewal program for a 10% uplift in units, and last I checked they still had made no commitments about what type of community housing the replacements would be or the breakdown of dwellings with different room numbers (I'm not saying you believe it, just that anyone who runs it as an argument has some pretty serious questions to answer). Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:CHIA saying lowest in the nation here: https://chiavic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Make-Social-Housing-Work-FINAL.pdf yeah i wasn't disagreeing with you. we are the lowest now and have been for a while. i was just pointing out the the post war boom in public housing, which is when a lot of our stock was built, was based on what victoria's population back then. we've experienced a lot of growth since then and the lack of investment in victoria both federally and state compounds it. on the balance sheet yeah it's why i hedged with apparently, and it's old info from about 4 years ago now. but the sell offs don't entirely disprove it either. they're doing it piecemeal over quite a long period of time as opposed to just a massive stock transfer to the community housing orgs, which is to what the credit rating excuse was originally raised. also the original redevelopments like kensington led to less social housing units being created due to poor planning and i think there the private developers ended up with closer to half. a lot of the redevelopments that were underway or ready to start ~2017 still had the state govt holding onto a large percentage of the property with approx a third to a quarter to private developers with the rest social housing managed by DHHS or whoever won the contract.
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oh man the one topic i used to know everything about i'm forgetting or am getting so out of touch
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Bold the whole thing etc https://www.facebook.com/groups/ahrca2012/permalink/3524712587556723/ quote:I worked as a police officer in Perth Police Station between 2004 and 2012. I witnessed systematic racism towards Aboriginal people and this is what I witnessed.
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ASIC v Danny Bro posted:It's somewhat similar; if it works the same was as Queensland FHOG grants, essentially that money goes towards the build i.e. you don't have to borrow that much extra for your loan. This amount also goes towards calculating your LMI if it applies. Cheers. One of the issues dramas some people at work have been having is big delays on the land they bought being titled. There’s a bunch of huge developments going on south of Geelong so there should be plenty of blocks available I guess.
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bobvonunheil posted:Bold the whole thing etc Cool cool co-cool cool cool. Anyone else in Perth there is a Protest this Saturday at Hyde Park, starting at 12.
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The $25k renobux isn’t for poor strugglers who have managed to scrape together at least $150k (or borrow) on low incomes. It’s for cashed up retirees and LNP donors who have a low taxable income thanks to handy accounting or a tax free retirement income.
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The cops put me in the back of the van with an indigenous guy and drove us over speed bumps really fast to gently caress with us. He was a chill dude Perth cops are the same as all cops. hosed up shitheads. They wouldn't let me read the charge documents and read them to me for sport, it was loving ridiculous. All because I told a 19 odd year old kid to go gently caress himself for not caring that a friend was choke slammed thirty seconds prior. E The kid was the cop
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