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Without a huge chunk of people on furlough, unemployed, or working from home you wouldn't have the level of manpower to mobilise long term. The other thing is that general strikes and protests have historically petered out when people eventually ran out of ways to sustain themselves and were essentially forced back into work. With no jobs to go back to for many many people this won't be anywhere near as strong a factor in the US this time. [edit] 1919 was the year of the Homestead strike which was carefully picked apart in part by setting workers against each other and stoking racial tensions to break up solidarity between workers. Munin fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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I'm horrified by the prospect of C-19 having a resurgance in the coming days, but it's going to occur for the best of causes, and the way the world works simply doesn't allow humans to defer our anger and let it out with the same intensity in, say, six months time. It sucks badly, but I don't see an alternative.
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We're getting a second wave regardless and these protests are generally happening where the response has already been poo poo. It's definitely making it worse but the people protesting are the ones who've been left to die.
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Jun 4, 2020 05:24
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OwlFancier posted:yes, it will kill them, but the wrong is with the system that makes their protest necessary, that puts in them the need to be out there fighting for their futures, and for all our futures. They know they're at risk which is why they're wearing masks, but they're there anyway because they see no other option. You're acting like it's the people at the protest taking the biggest risk. It's not, it's the vulnerable people they'll spread the virus to. That's why the whole thing makes me so uneasy. It's one thing to say you'll face down a rubber bullet or policeman's boot for your cause, that's putting your life on the line. It's another to say that other people have to lay down their lives, especially when you're talking about groups like the old, the disabled and the already ill.
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BalloonFish posted:It Came From PistonHeads (which currently has an insufferable 'Cool Britannia' reminiscing thread): A guilty pleasure of mine is reading Mumsnet and PistonHeads on my lunch break at work. It’s an often amusing and sometimes infuriating insight into a totally different mindset. What always gets me about PistonHeads is how the prevailing attitude amongst gammons when another black person gets murdered by the police is “well if they followed the law they’d have nothing to worry about would they?!” Curiously this attitude does not apply when they get stung with a speeding fine.
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jabby posted:Very mixed feelings watching the protests. As a socialist, obviously gently caress yeah. But as a doctor there's something genuinely chilling about watching people merrily spread this disease that I spend every day fighting and watching people die from.
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Roller Coast Guard posted:As working class Londoners it's likely the protesters are already being forced onto overcrowded enclosed plaguewagons to get to their workplaces (or are about to be when thy reopen) anyway. I'd have thought the risk is lesser in an open street than on the tube every day? There was some info released in the US a day or two ago stating that the risk factors were much higher for travelling to/from a protest location than in being at the site itself. I don't have the info to hand, just saw a tweet in passing.
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Jun 4, 2020 08:36
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Lord Ludikrous posted:It’s an often amusing and sometimes infuriating insight into a totally different mindset. I was reading Telegraph comments on Johnson's performance at PMQ's yesterday and apparently Johnson is a great bloke doing his best in a bad situation and that slimeball Starmer should stop interfering in government business and get back to his real job of defending Muslim paedos in Rochester.
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ThomasPaine posted:I am very confused. A non-white north american person I have on facebook is arguing that the word 'bootlicker' is racist and somehow comes from a word used by confederates against blacks who took up arms for the union. I have never in my life ever heard this take before and I can't tell whether it's just liberal brainworms or if there's something to it in the NA context, but I don't particularly want to be the white guy arguing what is and isn't racist on social media. In this case it's almost certainly Trumpist or Trump-adjacent motherfuckers trying to rewrite history on the word because they don't want to be called out for licking boots. It's the exact same process as the alt right coopting the OK gesture, except to convince people that they shouldn't be saying it.
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The protests might have come at a really poo poo time regards covid but folks who have been on the shittiest end of the stick for hundreds of years cannot be told to just keep waiting till it's convenient, because that time will never come Also the wire is loving amazing and police squad is a hidden gem many folk never knew existed, and also thank gently caress for some rain for once
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ThomasPaine posted:I am very confused. A non-white north american person I have on facebook is arguing that the word 'bootlicker' is racist and somehow comes from a word used by confederates against blacks who took up arms for the union. I have never in my life ever heard this take before and I can't tell whether it's just liberal brainworms or if there's something to it in the NA context, but I don't particularly want to be the white guy arguing what is and isn't racist on social media. Just explain that it’s uses is even older, and dates from a saying on Prysmos, which was of course set in the distant past. Here is the perfect line which accurately encapsulates it’s uses https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0881845/characters/nm0364893 I wish I could post a YouTube video of it, but full episodes of the first episode of Visionaries are not on YouTube.
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Roller Coast Guard posted:As working class Londoners it's likely the protesters are already being forced onto overcrowded enclosed plaguewagons to get to their workplaces (or are about to be when thy reopen) anyway. I'd have thought the risk is lesser in an open street than on the tube every day? Risk of infection doesn't work that way, the risk of an activity is always the same regardless of what other activities you might be doing. For example, I work in the NHS so going to work is by far my biggest infection risk. But when I go to the supermarket that doesn't mean I'm at less risk of catching Covid there than anybody else. The absolute risk is the same for me, its only low relative to my other risks. If anything mass gatherings will have a synergistic effect on the infection rate from public transport use, and vice versa, since that's what happens in an exponential growth system. And again I don't blame people for protesting, it just makes me feel uncomfortable that the protests will have a body count and it will largely be composed of vulnerable people who did not attend the protest.
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MAAAADDDDIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee  it was some Buy your favourite newspapers to find out more!! crispix fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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ThomasPaine posted:This is the book she's pushing, idk, it's a thousand miles from my field and I've never come across the author(s) before, so I can't speak to any possible ideological angles they might have That book is quoting William Styron's "The Confessions of Nat Turner", which is pretty racist and puts the words "an unspeakable bootlicking Sambo" in Turner's mouth about one of his fellow revolutionaries, which is very lovely but also straightforwardly the modern use of the term (especially given that it was written in 1967). This doesn't really help with your issue, but there really doesn't seem to be anything there.
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Even the BBC admitting it https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1268467178992480257?s=19
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Jun 4, 2020 10:09
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Lord Ludikrous posted:A guilty pleasure of mine is reading Mumsnet and PistonHeads on my lunch break at work. It’s an often amusing and sometimes infuriating insight into a totally different mindset. I read the football365 forum (and now their homespun lifeboat because the old one was dying) for the same reason.
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Jun 4, 2020 10:12
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Jose posted:Even the BBC admitting it our number are so big! so proud to be British 
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Jun 4, 2020 10:18
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Jun 4, 2020 10:23
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This is part of a plan to focus on new exports post brexit, starting with the export of covid to the continent. Next step: French farmers blockading coaches full of British tourists at calais and forcing them to go back home. It'll be like the glory days of the late 80s/early 90s!
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Jose posted:Even the BBC admitting it lol can't wait for the BBC to put out another apology on behalf of newsnight
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Jun 4, 2020 10:25
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also lol at the whole air bridges thing where the breathless articles about how are summer hols might be on after all do occasionally mention that experts say it only makes sense for countries with "similar epidemiological profiles" or whatever* but fail to mention the corollary which is that you better be planning on going on holiday to Russia, Brazil or whatever is left of the USA *which I'm not sure is true, as sticking a bunch of people in the big metal plague tube to go drink and be sick on each other in swimming pools seems like a bad idea even if both countries have roughly the same rate of infection
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Sorry I don't post in here much because I'm American born but I just got off the phone with my geordie mum and am now insanely pissed that people are arguing schools need to open up in the NE because the 'children are already so far behind developmentally'.
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did he do anything other than turn up to support them? https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1268470903555477505?s=20
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Jose posted:did he do anything other than turn up to support them? He specifically tweeted that he had broken social distancing rules, because Barry is not an especially smart man. https://twitter.com/barrygardiner/status/1268209372074819585?s=21
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aha. anyway lol https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/status/1268238119545028608?s=20
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It's ok, Keir is going to work out how to become Electable by taking a representative sample of the kind of people who call into LBCquote:Starmer to host regular monthly LBC phone-in
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I'm in two minds about that. On the one hand LBC is a pile of unutterable horseshit that has hosted Farage for most of a decade (and continues to do so?). On the other hand, actually speaking to the general public on one of the better-known platforms for engaging with politics, and providing a less right-wing voice than any they've had before, has a chance to do something non-poo poo if Keir does it right. I'm not holding out any of the h-word, but I think on balance it's more likely to do more good than forensically getting brayed at at PMQs and getting COVID as a result.
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lol, surely he must know he's just going to be explaining that he doesn't love nonces to frothing gammons for the whole half an hour
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Jun 4, 2020 11:01
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Jimmy Saville will be Keir's Gerry Adams
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thespaceinvader posted:I'm in two minds about that. On the one hand LBC is a pile of unutterable horseshit that has hosted Farage for most of a decade (and continues to do so?). LBC is dedicated to striking a balance between the two sides of political debate: frothing Nazis and right-of-centre-right liberals. They occasionally have good opinions, but they make up for it by regularly platforming the wrong people.
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crispix posted:Jimmy Saville will be Keir's Gerry Adams and grooming gangs will be his IRA so glad we finally have a leader without a load of baggage for the tabloids and chudosphere to endlessly harp on about until it filters into the open sewer that passes for mainstream political discourse in this country
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Sometimes you get the odd funny typo in the Graun liveblogquote:Labour MP Zarah Sultana asked whether the government would commit to a race equality strategy covering all Whitehall department.
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XMNN posted:and grooming gangs will be his IRA not to entirely disagree but they won't be putting that poo poo on the front pages of all the papers
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Jose posted:not to entirely disagree but they won't be putting that poo poo on the front pages of all the papers Why not?
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XMNN posted:lol, surely he must know he's just going to be explaining that he doesn't love nonces to frothing gammons for the whole half an hour "And we have a new caller on the line, Mr Puce Gammoncunt. What's your question to Mr Starmer?" "WHY DO YOU LOVE MUSLIM NONCE PAEDOS!? *Furious slathering sounds*" "Well. It's more complicated than that. There are many factors to consider  ""I'VE VOTED LABOUR ALL MY LIFE, BUT AS A LANDLORD COULDN'T VOTE FOR JEREMY CROBYN AND HIS COMMIE STUFF. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO SUPPORT THE GREAT BRITISH PAEDO AND NOT THE FORRINS! *Heavy breathing*" "Well, I've always been a supporter of Prince Andrew and the Royals and-" Etc, etc.
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Darth Walrus posted:Why not? I suppose the guardian and the mirror probably won't tbf I'm just absolutely certain that the same guys who said they wouldn't vote for Corbyn because of the IRA stuff during canvassing for the last election will be talking about nonce stuff at the next. e: and then that being constantly repeated on Facebook and the gutter press will seep into the people who aren't very bothered about politics
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Darth Walrus posted:Why not?
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Flipswitch posted:He's no threat to the status quo, so no need to smear him. Tell that to Ed.
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Flipswitch posted:He's no threat to the status quo, so no need to smear him. Until there's an election coming up
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Flipswitch posted:He's no threat to the status quo, so no need to smear him. Neither was Ed Milliband. Edit: too late.
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