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Tei posted:Kids these days. I remember when computer books did not exist*. I had to dessasemble a PASCAL compiler to learn pascal*. In what kind of context did you get a binary for pascal and a machine to run it on, but no access to resources to learn about it? I thought it was mostly academic institutions passing along tapes of Pascal in the early days.
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Beef posted:In what kind of context did you get a binary for pascal and a machine to run it on, but no access to resources to learn about it? I thought it was mostly academic institutions passing along tapes of Pascal in the early days. Warez / Commodore 64
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gently caress you you're not my dad *pages through billions of records just to prove a point*
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I've spent the whole morning getting 2 megs of CSV data into an Oracle database. I wonder whether anyone else has used their limited time on Earth as poorly as I have
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Hammerite posted:I've spent the whole morning getting 2 megs of CSV data into an Oracle database. I wonder whether anyone else has used their limited time on Earth as poorly as I have I've yet to use Oracle so you've got me beat
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Jun 3, 2020 16:41
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Every Oracle expert I've ever spoken to who doesn't work for Oracle advises against using Oracle
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At work, we run some simulations which simulate over a period that is normally measured in seconds. However, sometimes it's nice to simulate a longer period of time, so I added a feature today which lets you add a suffix to the input simulation duration, specifying an alternate unit. For example, "1h" would mean 1 hour = 3600 seconds, "1d" would be 1 day = 24h, "1y" = 1 year = 365.25 days, etc. We don't allow months or minutes, because those are easily confusable, and the number of days in a month is too variable. And yes, I know that not all hours are 3600 seconds, not all days are 24 hours, and no years are 365.25 days, but these are just quick shorthands whose meanings, caveats, and assumptions are clearly documented, and exact calendar time is just not important for this use case. So that's not the horror. The horror is that one of my teammates flagged the 1 year = 365.25 days part, and suggested that instead it should be 360 days, because that's twelve 30-day months.
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Jun 4, 2020 00:52
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VikingofRock posted:At work, we run some simulations which simulate over a period that is normally measured in seconds. However, sometimes it's nice to simulate a longer period of time, so I added a feature today which lets you add a suffix to the input simulation duration, specifying an alternate unit. For example, "1h" would mean 1 hour = 3600 seconds, "1d" would be 1 day = 24h, "1y" = 1 year = 365.25 days, etc. We don't allow months or minutes, because those are easily confusable, and the number of days in a month is too variable. And yes, I know that not all hours are 3600 seconds, not all days are 24 hours, and no years are 365.25 days, but these are just quick shorthands whose meanings, caveats, and assumptions are clearly documented, and exact calendar time is just not important for this use case. So that's not the horror. If it's all just shorthand anyway then your team mate's stupid idea is no worse than your own stupid ideas, in fact they probably wrote that suggestion as a joke to poke fun at you for designating 1 year as 365.25 days when none of your other units account for the solar calendar
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The real horror of course is not stopping at days and then saying "all simulation times are in Julian Days" to match what the astronomers do
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Jun 4, 2020 01:28
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This is what you get for trying to improve the user experience. Should have just had the only input be seconds and left it up to the end user to figure it out.
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Jun 4, 2020 01:45
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VikingofRock posted:The horror is that one of my teammates flagged the 1 year = 365.25 days part, and suggested that instead it should be 360 days, because that's twelve 30-day months. There was a bonus question on a test I took once that was something like: calculate the number of seconds in a year (assume a month is 30 days). And I just instinctively did 60 x 60 x 24 x 365 and didnt get credit. This was a physics class in high school.
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Jun 4, 2020 05:44
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VikingofRock posted:1 year = 365.25 days See year is annoyingly precise here... QuarkJets posted:a joke to poke fun at you for designating 1 year as 365.25 days It must be poking fun. because a year is closer to 365.24 than 365.25 you can't forget about the skipped leap year in tested divisible by 100 and the skipped-skipped leap year in years that are divisible by 400, sucka 
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Jun 4, 2020 06:33
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Nth Doctor posted:See year is annoyingly precise here... This is extremely funny to me because as someone who took an intro CS class I definitely know the skip 100 unless it's 400 rules about leap years, but it'll almost certainly never come up for me in the real world, unless i live to 115
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Jun 4, 2020 07:29
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more falafel please posted:This is extremely funny to me because as someone who took an intro CS class I definitely know the skip 100 unless it's 400 rules about leap years, but it'll almost certainly never come up for me in the real world, unless i live to 115 well look who's already ruled themselves out from that vatican job where you compute all the future easters
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Jun 4, 2020 08:02
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QuarkJets posted:Every Oracle expert I've ever spoken to who doesn't work for Oracle advises against using Oracle People who like to justify their technical decisions will often use the words "industry standard" when justifying technical decisions - you'll see those words a lot when justifying Oracle. The name itself is suspicious - if you name your product after a priestess who huffs gas fumes and give ambiguous answers, then it's really the customer's fault for buying it and not understanding the joke. The real horrible secret of space is that you actually CAN do a lot worse than Oracle - Oracle has a lot of industry support - if your data is critical (e.g. has banking/health care records) etc, it's easy to find professional dbas that will take care of it and data recovery experts that know how to work with it, you will be able to pass the security checklists at places like DOD etc if you use it, and the performance and scalability are pretty much on par with any other leading relational db. But good god, dealing with Oracle issues is the biggest pain in the rear end.
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Jun 4, 2020 12:36
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:well look who's already ruled themselves out from that vatican job where you compute all the future easters Probably the oldest coding horror of them all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus#Algorithms I mean, look at those variable names. Seriously?
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HappyHippo posted:Probably the oldest coding horror of them all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus#Algorithms  cool, APL
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Beef posted:
Is that what you use when you want to dial the stargate?
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An instruction page from the never shipped "Dante's nightmare" mode of Keep Calm and Nobody Explodes
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HappyHippo posted:Probably the oldest coding horror of them all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus#Algorithms quote:In late antiquity, it was feasible for the entire Christian church to receive the date of Easter each year through an annual announcement from the Pope. By the early third century, however, communications had deteriorated to the point that the church put great value in a system that would allow the clergy to independently and consistently determine the date for themselves. Distributed systems! quote:Additionally, the church wished to eliminate dependencies on the Hebrew calendar, by deriving Easter directly from the vernal equinox. NIH syndrome!
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Jun 4, 2020 17:07
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more falafel please posted:This is extremely funny to me because as someone who took an intro CS class I definitely know the skip 100 unless it's 400 rules about leap years, but it'll almost certainly never come up for me in the real world, unless i live to 115 It came up for the older crowd in 2000.
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Jun 4, 2020 18:17
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ulmont posted:It came up for the older crowd in 2000. ... this was exactly my point, that unless i live until 2100, leap years are just every four years, since the only century mark I'm likely to be alive for was divisible by 400
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ulmont posted:It came up for the older crowd in 2000. Older crowd? 2000 was just ... twenty years ago. 
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Volguus posted:Older crowd? 2000 was just ... twenty years ago. Is there anyone on SA under like 30 anymore
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Not a coding horror, but our team is making a product that will go outdoors. We all agreed that a touchscreen was an awful idea and to tell management to piss off with that idea. 
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Jun 4, 2020 19:44
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ratbert90 posted:Not a coding horror, but our team is making a product that will go outdoors. Did you know there exist some idiot companies that hire experts in their field such as software developers to do work for them and then never listen to their employees' advice but do their own stupid thing anyway? Somehow some of these still manage to make a profit. I'd never work for a company like that but sometimes it sounds like that over half of the people in this subforum do.
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more falafel please posted:... this was exactly my point, that unless i live until 2100, leap years are just every four years, since the only century mark I'm likely to be alive for was divisible by 400 It’s a good thing no-one ever has to work with historical data then!
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Carbon dioxide posted:Did you know there exist some idiot companies that hire experts in their field such as software developers to do work for them and then never listen to their employees' advice but do their own stupid thing anyway? This new gig is the first gig I have had where what you described is not the case. It's why I left my last three jobs.
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DoctorTristan posted:It’s a good thing no-one ever has to work with historical data then! Actually, for legacy reasons, it's easier to consider 1900 a leap year. It just makes working in excel easier.
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Jun 4, 2020 23:42
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Thou shalt sanitize thine input.quote:A software development house got more than it bargained for after an alert email from the HaveIBeenPwned (HIBP) data breach monitoring site wiped all its helpdesk support tickets.
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Jun 4, 2020 23:43
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ratbert90 posted:Not a coding horror, but our team is making a product that will go outdoors. ... then the camera pans slowly left, revealing that you’re working for RIM c. 2007?
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Tei posted:Kids these days. I remember when computer books did not exist*.
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ratbert90 posted:This new gig is the first gig I have had where what you described is not the case. Give it time
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Soricidus posted:Give it time It helps that I have a manager that still programs and is involved in the product development process instead of just attending meetings forever in a loop. DoctorTristan posted:... then the camera pans slowly left, revealing that youre working for RIM c. 2007? Touchscreens suck for outdoor use. Do you have gloves on? Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is there ice on the touch screen?
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ratbert90 posted:Touchscreens suck for outdoor use. Is your customer savvy enough to know this, or foolish enough to see that there's a shiny touch screen you can tweet on from your Smart Outhouse or whatever?
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As well as "thou shalt always use prepared db queries when using user provided values".
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ratbert90 posted:Touchscreens suck for outdoor use. but it's easier to sell!
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Arsenic Lupin posted:My dad had and passed on IBM programming manuals from the early 1960s, which is as far back as I remember. In spain in the 80's where I live, it was imposible to find a computer book. I had the manual you receive with the commodore 64, and thats it. For a long time my only computer book was the manual. Things changed slowly, and book started appearing for sale, at first in english, but later translated. Some of the first computer books where really bad. DATA BECKER books like "C64 internals" self-destroy if you look at them. I have a C++ programming book that contains lots of programming errors on the examples. The first UNIX manual I found, was exploring a different university on some random corridor on the underground, I was exploring that part of the building trying to find the room where they had the servers. I manage to get a shell account there and had some curiosity what the server looked like. Reading that UNIX manual was glorious, the ideas of UNIX are fantastic. UNIX basically invented everything. Tei fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Jun 5, 2020 |
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Carbon dioxide posted:Did you know there exist some idiot companies that hire experts in their field such as software developers to do work for them and then never listen to their employees' advice but do their own stupid thing anyway? Then the guy took 4 months paternity leave. While he was gone we secretly re-wrote the entire platform from scratch for a new client and got their instance to production, on time, fully functional, no bugs etc, before he got back. And then another two months later. The board finally started noticing and he gradually got more and more side-lined in meetings until suddenly he wasn't there anymore. We never found out wether he got fired or his ego just couldn't handle it but holy heck things were great once he was gone.
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I just want to know, if you build a static code analyzer, what in the world would make you decide this is an appropriate logo? https://pmd.github.io/
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