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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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Condiv posted:biden being endorsed by bush is literally way more problematic than the joe rogan endorsement everyone gave bernie poo poo for. at least joe rogan didn't do rendition, cia black sites, intentionally let black people drown out of pure racist spite, etc. because the people that whined about rogan’s endorsement do not actually care about any of the things they said they were mad about Rogan over. It was entirely performance whining to sink Bernie and every single person that attacked Bernie over that endorsement thinks a bush endorsement is a great idea.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:25
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Mellow Seas posted:It was an event specifically aimed at black supporters moderated by Don Cheadle. This doesn't actually answer my question, but your fear of engaging with it is duly noted.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:31
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Somfin posted:Yeah, I meant in addition to that. Somfin posted:I didn't ask why you're ridiculing it. It's very obvious that you're ridiculing it because you think it's ridiculous. You might also notice that other people disagree. Could you explain why you think it's ridiculous? before i get into deconstructing this does anyone want to put their hand up and suggest that either they actually do agree with somfin, like he references in the second post, and perhaps explain some of the steps that are not elaborated on in his logic, or suggest that even though they agree with somfin on, say, who to vote for in november they would think its unfair to consider this view also their view
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Jun 5, 2020 13:35
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i know libs have comically thin skin but maybe you people could be putting your money towards bail funds or something helpful. seems idk ridiculously petty to spend it antagonizing leftists?
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Jun 5, 2020 13:37
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evilweasel posted:before i get into deconstructing this does anyone want to put their hand up and suggest that either they actually do agree with somfin, like he references in the second post, and perhaps explain some of the steps that are not elaborated on in his logic, or suggest that even though they agree with somfin on, say, who to vote for in november they would think its unfair to consider this view also their view If you're genuinely planning to throw together some sort of really fascinating top rope slam response post, I would like you to take this one (which I notice you excluded from your reply) into account: Somfin posted:I don't think there's a motive, like I don't think that Biden is a Klansman or whatnot, but I do think that there's an underlying network of assumptions and half-truths that he's working from that are sourced from and massively support white supremacy; the same assumptions and half-truths he's been working from his entire life but now only half-glimpsed through fog. He knows that there's something he read once about how 12% of the population account for most of the crime, so he vague-ified that up to make sure he wasn't completely off and drooled it out. as it more or less sums up how much I think Joe Biden actually thinks about the situation.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:43
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Somfin posted:This doesn't actually answer my question, but your fear of engaging with it is duly noted. You really have a poetic touch, don’t you. I believe the original question was something about my “faith” in Joe Biden: my assertion that Joe Biden was not, in fact, trying to sneakily day that all black people are bad, at an event for black people, does not require “faith in Joe Biden”. I sincerely hope and believe that he will be a better President than Donald Trump, and so I support his candidacy. That’s it. I’m not in his fan club. I don’t think he’s a good person. I don’t think his brain works well. But I do think it works well enough to not make a cryptic blanket statement that black people aren’t good people at an event for black people.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:43
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Raskolnikov38 posted:because the people that whined about rogan’s endorsement do not actually care about any of the things they said they were mad about Rogan over. It was entirely performance whining to sink Bernie and every single person that attacked Bernie over that endorsement thinks a bush endorsement is a great idea. This seems revisionist to me, I thought people were upset with Bernie for going on Rogan's show, not accepting an endorsement.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:44
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There's a difference between many left commentators, who had this issue, versus bad faith Grey Lady or other commentators.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:46
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it really shouldn't be an issue for a politician to say that some people aren't very good people imo even if putting percentages to it is the sort of thing a massively egotistical sixteen-year-old would do this isn't much of a gaffe
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Jun 5, 2020 13:46
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Mellow Seas posted:It was an event specifically aimed at black supporters moderated by Don Cheadle. You know how joe biden gropes women over and over on camera and if anyone complains he crys crocodile tears about how he's just affectionate and he's actually the victim of vicious slander? Same thing, but he's doing his power move against a black guy instead of little girl.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:46
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Jarmak posted:This seems revisionist to me, I thought people were upset with Bernie for going on Rogan's show, not accepting an endorsement. turns out you're the one with poo poo for memory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51241462 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/me...3066#blogHeader https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-rogan-endorsement/index.html
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Jun 5, 2020 13:46
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it cannot be overstated how insane it is that people are angry that a political candidate campaigns in one of the most popular and far-reaching platforms in the country it's completely demented
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Jun 5, 2020 13:47
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Mellow Seas posted:I don’t think his brain works well. But I do think it works well enough to not make a cryptic blanket statement that black people aren’t good people at an event for black people. And that's genuinely what I wanted to know. You see that and assume he's not dogwhistling, not because you think he wouldn't in other circumstances, but because you think he's smart enough not to do so in that circumstance. That's a fair assessment. I don't think it's ridiculous for other people to suggest that he might actually not be smart enough to avoid that blunder. Anyway, I've probably engaged with the thread for long enough that some rear end in a top hat's about to buy me a rapist avatar, so I'm gonna go silent and just lurk for a while.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:49
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Let's be honest, Rogan sucks horse nuts, but, despite the racism and transphobia, he's still responsible for laundering fewer deaths then the Grey Lady.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:49
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V. Illych L. posted:it cannot be overstated how insane it is that people are angry that a political candidate campaigns in one of the most popular and far-reaching platforms in the country again, the same people who were furious about this are working to get George Bush, a genocidal war criminal, to endorse Biden.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:50
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punishedkissinger posted:turns out you're the one with poo poo for memory If you're calling people you're arguing with here on this forums hypocrites that were being disingenuous about their criticism of Bernie than media reporting he was being attacked from the left is not evidence about the posters you're claiming are disingenuous.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:52
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a politician appearing on a mass media platform does not endorse that platform sanders also had some very successful town halls on fox news, which was also a smart campaigning move appearing on CNN does not constitute support for the iraq war, nor yankeeland interventions in latin america it's bizarre that this even needs to be said
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Jun 5, 2020 13:53
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Jarmak posted:If you're calling people you're arguing with here on this forums hypocrites that were being disingenuous about their criticism of Bernie than media reporting he was being attacked from the left is not evidence about the posters you're claiming are disingenuous. you called the people remembering this event correctly "revisionist". i just gave you a pile of evidence to the contrary. i didn't say you were disengenuous. i said you have a poo poo memory. edit: are you trying to characterize a bunch of tweets from the khive as leftist criticism of Bernie?
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Jun 5, 2020 13:55
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Jarmak posted:If you're calling people you're arguing with here on this forums hypocrites that were being disingenuous about their criticism of Bernie than media reporting he was being attacked from the left is not evidence about the posters you're claiming are disingenuous. quote:"Let's be clear: Transgender equality is the civil rights issue of our time," Biden tweeted. "There is no room for compromise when it comes to basic human rights." also biden posted:please gwb endorse me despite your gross human rights violations
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Jun 5, 2020 13:55
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V. Illych L. posted:it cannot be overstated how insane it is that people are angry that a political candidate campaigns in one of the most popular and far-reaching platforms in the country Yeah it’s the same people who got mad at him for going on Fox News for a town hall. The same town hall where he convinced the attendees that Medicare for All was good despite the best efforts of the moderators. It’s performative nonsense for liberals. They want enemies so that their team can win and they can own the chuds, they don’t actually give a poo poo about spreading a message and creating a better world. They think getting a GWB endorsement will own Trump and make him furious and don’t give a poo poo about the fact that he’s a war criminal responsible for the deaths of a million Iraqis. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Jun 5, 2020 |
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Jun 5, 2020 13:55
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V. Illych L. posted:a politician appearing on a mass media platform does not endorse that platform Who are you arguing with? I felt the way about the Rogan thing: limiting the people you spread your message to to only the pure is absolutely dumb as gently caress. Convincing those that disagree with you requires engaging those who disagree with you.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:56
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punishedkissinger posted:you called the people remembering this event correctly "revisionist". i just gave you a pile of evidence to the contrary. i didn't say you were disengenuous. i said you have a poo poo memory. You're not on here arguing with CNN
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Jun 5, 2020 13:57
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Jarmak posted:You're not on here arguing with CNN oh i'm sorry, i didn't realize that when you said "people were angry" you specifically meant "people on these subforum were angry" i'll try and keep in mind that this thread can only discuss political discourse in the context of this thread going forward.
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Jun 5, 2020 13:59
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To be clear for everyone's memory, the issue was that Bernie championed the endorsement. Not that he didn't shake his finger at Rogan. The issue was that he actively engaged. There is a strategic reason that he did what he did just like Biden is doing what h'es doing. Joe Rogan isn't a war criminal so what Joe Biden is doing is worse. I don't particularly hold it against Bernie and am more troubled with Biden because I'm not sure if it's a good strategy on top of being gross. But as someone who was disappointed and concerned by Sanders going on Rogan, I think it's lovely to create a strawman of people crying crocodile tears or erase there being any legitimate concerns at all with Sanders's decision.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:04
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Timeless Appeal posted:To be clear for everyone's memory, the issue was that Bernie championed the endorsement. Not that he didn't shake his finger at Rogan. The issue was that he actively engaged. If bush endorses Biden and does some joint video thing with Biden are you still going to vote for Biden?
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Jun 5, 2020 14:06
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V. Illych L. posted:it really shouldn't be an issue for a politician to say that some people aren't very good people imo even if putting percentages to it is the sort of thing a massively egotistical sixteen-year-old would do Careful, with talk like that you're likely to catch a Trump avatar.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:10
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Raskolnikov38 posted:If bush endorses Biden and does some joint video thing with Biden are you still going to vote for Biden?
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Jun 5, 2020 14:14
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i think we can all agree, in a just society someone like George Bush, and anyone politically associated with him, would all be in prison.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:17
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punishedkissinger posted:i think we can all agree, in a just society someone like George Bush, and anyone politically associated with him, would all be in prison. Totally agree about Bush (although in just society he never would've been in office), but can you define "politically associated" here?
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Jun 5, 2020 14:19
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Mellow Seas posted:Totally agree about Bush (although in just society he never would've been in office), but can you define "politically associated" here? you know, the people who supported his war crimes directly.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:19
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Mellow Seas posted:Totally agree about Bush (although in just society he never would've been in office), but can you define "politically associated" here? This cannot be for loving real.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:19
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Cpt_Obvious posted:This cannot be for loving real. It's a vague term, op. pk's response actually narrowed it down a lot, while still being a little vague.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:20
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I just think if you are a person who worked to help Bush commit war crimes, and you continue to associate with him and solicit his political assistance, you should be locked away from civil society. I just don't think we want a society where we have people plotting with fascists to gain power.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:23
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Mellow Seas posted:It's a vague term, op. pk's response actually narrowed it down a lot, while still being a little vague. What is the goal to the pedantry? Why does their need to be specification? The only point of such queries is to white wash the Bush administration in the hopes that the stink does not spill onto Biden. Like, do you actually believe there is a meaningful distinction to make?
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Jun 5, 2020 14:23
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Cpt_Obvious posted:What is the goal to the pedantry? Why does their need to be specification? The only point of such queries is to white wash the Bush administration in the hopes that the stink does not spill onto Biden. Like, do you actually believe there is a meaningful distinction to make?
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Jun 5, 2020 14:25
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Mellow Seas posted:I don't know, I just legitimately wanted to know if he thought that like, Margaret Spelling (DOE) or Dirk Kempthorne (DOI) should be in prison, as they are "politically affiliated" with Bush, but had no role in his war crimes. I think that would be a bad and dangerous opinion. If we're limiting to people like Powell and Tenet and Rumsfeld then hell yeah, throw 'em in the clink. Yeah, Powell, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Biden, etc.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:26
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Mellow Seas posted:I don't know, I just legitimately wanted to know if he thought that like, Margaret Spelling (DOE) or Dirk Kempthorne (DOI) should be in prison, as they are "politically affiliated" with Bush, but had no role in his war crimes. I think that would be a bad and dangerous opinion. If we're limiting to people like Powell and Tenet and Rumsfeld then hell yeah, throw 'em in the clink. No, dude. You are white washing 8 years of horror to protect the symbol of your political identity, Joe Biden. I don't even know if you are doing it on purpose.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:28
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Cpt_Obvious posted:No, dude. You are white washing 8 years of horror to protect the symbol of your political identity, Joe Biden. I don't even know if you are doing it on purpose. Literally what the gently caress are you talking about?
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Jun 5, 2020 14:28
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Just to be clear, Joe Biden personally was responsible for which experts were allowed to testify before the senate for the Iraq War Authorization and he chose "experts" who pushed the complete bullshit lie that Iraq and Al-Quaeda were linked. He is as much of a liar and as responsible for the war as anyone in the administration.
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Jun 5, 2020 14:29
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punishedkissinger posted:Just to be clear, Joe Biden personally was responsible for which experts were allowed to testify before the senate for the Iraq War Authorization and he chose "experts" who pushed the complete bullshit lie that Iraq and Al-Quaeda were linked. He is as much of a liar and as responsible for the war as anyone in the administration.
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