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https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1269178665855627264 Beans are now antifa.
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Guavanaut posted:Who is erasing the concept of sex? Is that what rubbing one out means? Yeah I've never seen that argued, gender being a social construct that usually also expresses a sex is the basic bitch trans-accepting position and that obviously doesn't erase sex as a concept it just doesn't erase gender as a concept. Even if she is arguing against some specific fringe person imagine being rich enough that you could basically be doing anything with your time and this is what you do.
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Guavanaut posted:Who is erasing the concept of sex? Is that what rubbing one out means? it's the standard terf reliance on the meanings of words. if we "weaken" the definition of "woman" to not mean "people born with vaginas" then we will be completely incapable of talking about people born with vaginas as a whole. Which is the only classification that matters as they have already built a nice little theory built on that alone being where all forms of sexism comes from. it's kind of the "changing the definition of marriage" argument reheated slightly, though this time it's relying on the absolute authority of second-wave feminism rather than the Bible. their form of feminism is built from the ground up on a set of rigid axioms and any threat to those must be a plot to destroy them. like if students of euclidean geometry refused to acknowledge observed distortions in space due to gravity and said people claiming they exist were trying to destroy the concept of triangles Angepain fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jun 6, 2020 |
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Which is extra ridiculous when if you follow it for a few seconds it necessarily loops back round to you're not a woman unless you are having children constantly. This is me doing feminism.
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Terfs are scum
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Angepain posted:it's okay, she's read multiple blogs Jesus Christ, read "multiple blogs", but still doesn't understand even the basics of sex and gender. 
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Pesky Splinter posted:Jesus Christ, read "multiple blogs", but still doesn't understand even the basics of sex and gender. It's pretty clear she understands it - she just has put herself in a position where actually agreeing with it would make her initial, ill-informed assumption wrong, and she can't be WRONG so she just keeps doubling the gently caress down.
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real intellectuals know that your knowledge on a subject is based on the raw numbers of pages of text that you have been able to scan with your eyeballs, and nothing to do with say, critical thinking or examining your own preconceived notions yada yada. i for example have read thousands of distinct works online by a diverse range of authors and so see myself as an authority on biological compatibility between human and vulcan males
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When Rowling says "I've read lots", what she's actually leveraging is "I'm rich and famous as gently caress". I don't want to go down the  rabbit hole of compacted human poo poo, but how do TERFs treat things like hysterectomies or hormone imbalances? Do they think that a woman who loses her "woman parts" isn't (as much of) a woman any more?
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Wachter posted:When Rowling says "I've read lots", what she's actually leveraging is "I'm rich and famous as gently caress". Rhetorically no, but the arguments they make only don't do that because they never follow them that far. There's a reason the far right christian fundamentalists love funnelling money to them. The logical distance between terfs and weird pseudofascist gender roles people is a gnat's pube.
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A lot of it seems to be based on what the doctor puts on the birth certificate, which is a whole  in and of itself, but especially lol when doctors admit that they can get that wrong.
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thespaceinvader posted:It's pretty clear she understands it - she just has put herself in a position where actually agreeing with it would make her initial, ill-informed assumption wrong, and she can't be WRONG so she just keeps doubling the gently caress down. I know she understands it - just seeing the continually twisting logic and doubling down is amusing in a pathetic way (although obviously damaging because she's using her vast influence to push her "gently caress Trans" agenda.) Wachter posted:When Rowling says "I've read lots", what she's actually leveraging is "I'm rich and famous as gently caress". It's getting close to that. https://twitter.com/sazza_jay/status/1269401568241233921
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Of course if you point that out they'll say something like "oh shut up you know what I mean" rather than actually addressing the inconsistency of the argument.
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Wachter posted:I don't want to go down the generally the approach i've seen is "that's rare so it doesn't matter". the precise boundary of how common your deal has to be to have The Sacred Unchangeable Word Definitions include you is never precisely nailed down
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Isn't it a fairly common side effect of birth control implants? My best friend says it's one of the best parts of having hers. E: not menstruating that is not hysterectomies.
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Pesky Splinter posted:I know she understands it - just seeing the continually twisting logic and doubling down is amusing in a pathetic way (although obviously damaging because she's using her vast influence to push her "gently caress Trans" agenda.) I think if I were a woman with amenorrhea I would be pretty upset at the 'woman=person who menstruates' paradigm. Which is to say nothing of trans men. 
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Angepain posted:it's okay, she's read multiple blogs Gender Specialists is another one of those terms that kind of sets of alarm bells in my head. I mean certainly their will be, but it seems far too close to poo poo like "gender realists."
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https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1269407862234775552 she's trying to post through it "if you were discriminated against" what the gently caress
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The ratios are heartening, not as good as I'd like but seems like every time she goes off about it they get better.
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't it a fairly common side effect of birth control implants? My best friend says it's one of the best parts of having hers. Because some people that menstruate (TERF beacon lit) do experience serious negative symptoms from it, and there are some negative health effects in general from menstruation, as there is from anything that causes tissue damage and bleeding. And whether a person wishes to continue with that for various reasons or not has been the subject of many medical texts since the first birth control pill was introduced (John Rock, a Roman Catholic, believed that having a period as part of the pill would encourage the Pope to see it as a rhythm method, Pope Paul VI disagreed). So there has been a polarization between the movement that wishes to make that a mark of womanhood (and appropriates many tangential movements like period poverty which is a real issue) and you can't join if you don't and the 'we can cure periods' movement which is a bit techbro in nature in some bits but like allowing people to make scientifically educated decisions about their own bodies and health isn't bad, charging money for it is.
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OwlFancier posted:The ratios are heartening, not as good as I'd like but seems like every time she goes off about it they get better. like my first reaction to a lot of what she says is, "oh god, this is phrased pseudo-reasonably enough that third parties who are not well-versed in transphobic dog-whistling will think she's just stating a reasonable opinion", and i guess that may well be the purpose of a lot of terf and terf-adjacent language, so it is nice to see a wide range of people very much not falling for it there'll still be an article in the spectator defending her against the woke brigade or whatever but still
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Like all TERFs her argument falls apart as soon as you get into "how do you define women?" because they always end up saying intersex people don't matter and therefore can't break their perfect and immutable definition.
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Gender of the Gaps. E: https://twitter.com/StereoBucket/status/1269353409834029065
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Guavanaut posted:
When I was at uni, British RC women students who were having 'illicit' sex with men to whom they weren't married didn't take the pill because it was against the pope (so what was having sex while unmarried?) would end up having abortions (also against the pope which leads one to 'what is the greater sin in the eyes of the church'?). Meanwhile, RC women students from Ireland were on the pill (if they could get hold of it) 'to keep their rhythm regular'. It was quite bizarre. (This was very many moons ago and a time when women who had live-in boyfriends would clear all signs of their existence in the event of a parental visit, and in the sixth form we used to have many discussions on whether you should have sex without being married - all seems so odd now!)
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looks like we're talking to much about non white women, and jk rowling is here to fix that and also tell everybody what qualifies as a woman
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JordanKai posted:I think if I were a woman with amenorrhea I would be pretty upset at the 'woman=person who menstruates' paradigm. I mean Rowling's poo poo mostly covers transwomen stuff, but general TERF poo poo also throws transmen under the bus. And as Angepain says, it'd be a continual shift of "well of course women who don't menstruate are women, but only if [vauge statement that purposefully exludes transpersons]" and shunting the goalposts further and further when pressed. A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1269407862234775552 It's the transparent, barely repackaged homophobia, "Love the people, hate the lifestyle" poo poo.
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There was a house for the people that sneered at other people for perceived notions of non purity in the blood in that children's book and it wasn't the good house. Whoever wrote that book I wonder
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't it a fairly common side effect of birth control implants? My best friend says it's one of the best parts of having hers. Yes IUDs and the implanon arm implant can definitely both stop it and I can confirm it is the best thing. You can also just keep taking the pill constantly and prevent them that way. Also there are a lot of other health conditions and medications that will prevent menstruation as a side effect as well as age factors. Trans women are women and feminism should absolutely include them. A massive gently caress you to JKR and any other shitheads that try to claim you're not a proper woman if you don't get a period or have kids or whatever the gently caress bullshit criteria they've chosen this week. It should be painfully obvious from the sheer number of cis women that TERFs are prepared to hurt and otherise alongside their trans sisters as part of their desire to quantify "true womanhood" that the TE bit is the only part they care about and not the feminism part.
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Do you know what the difference is between a garbanzo bean and a chickpea? Nothing, I want to see them in a copper's face.
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Isomermaid posted:There was a house for the people that sneered at other people for perceived notions of non purity in the blood in that children's book and it wasn't the good house. Whoever wrote that book I wonder probably the same person that wrote slaves into her fairy tale, also also hooked nose money gobblers that definitely aren't supposed to be jews or anything
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Jedit posted:Do you know what the difference is between a garbanzo bean and a chickpea? this kind of talk is reckless and irresponsible. the chick would have to get too close to the copper for that. there's a pandemic on. she should do it in an open receptacle and throw it instead. or some kind of super soaker arrangement.
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The wrongness of the universe that terry pratchett is dead and jk rowling is still alive cannot be overstated.
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This is a pro watch if you enjoy Mayors being put in their place by protesters. GO HOME TRAITOR. https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1269420894017015808
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Brexit-supporting friend on phone tonight: "The virus has wrecked the economy already so we may as well get on with it (brexit)" and this, IMHO, explains why this government are probably praising the Lord that the virus cometh in advance of brexit in order to be able to blame all economic failings of brexit on the virus. I did have a wander down the high st today (masked and socially distancing) and notice several of the small independent shops have actually gone under. They were already struggling from the business rates revaluation in 2017, lost business from the February floods, and now this. Shops have been cleared out, windows whitened over and notices on the doors. Dave Gorman is ripping the shreds out of YouGov right now.
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jabby posted:This is a pro watch if you enjoy Mayors being put in their place by protesters. GO HOME TRAITOR. Beginning to like this direct democracy lark.
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OwlFancier posted:The wrongness of the universe that terry pratchett is dead and jk rowling is still alive cannot be overstated. The wizards in Harry Potter used to poo poo and piss their pants, and magic it away because plumbing was too complicated. Granny Weatherwax had an outhouse because magic shouldn't be loving used frivolously. Also Pratchett's dwarves and golems can be read as LGBT+ analogs, and he covers class struggle, feminism, religious and culture tensions, racism and faith. Rowling has a happy slave-race, and a stagnating, segregated hierarchical society built on magical blood purity who immediately concede and ally with fascism, only for the heroes to restore things to the status quo and not address any of it. Not a fair compairison I know - but Pratchett's stuff still resonates all these years later, and while Harry Potter was fun kids stuff that doesn't seek to address any of that, it becomes harder and harder as the years go by when people use it as the basis for understanding the world, and the author comes out with repressive horrible poo poo. jabby posted:This is a pro watch if you enjoy Mayors being put in their place by protesters. GO HOME TRAITOR. 
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I really hope sometime in the future pratchett gets a resurgence cos yeah, his stuff is genuinely far more communicative and ahead of its time than most any other comparable works I can think of.
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https://twitter.com/CateSpice/status/1269408785837129728 This is fun too.
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