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sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

ToxicAcne posted:

I feel like the 1/16th Cherokee thing is more of a legitimacy/ connection to the country thing. It's a tacit admission that you are not one of the original inhabitants of this land and so you have to claim some ancestry from those who are. I read somewhere that the Cherokee thing in particular was common among Southern aristocrats.

My favourite fact is Robert E Lee was for sure a direct ancestor of Pocahontas

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Leviathan Song
Sep 8, 2010

sbaldrick posted:

My favourite fact is Robert E Lee was for sure a direct ancestor of Pocahontas

Do you mean descendant? Last time I checked he wasn't a proven time traveler.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Leviathan Song posted:

Do you mean descendant? Last time I checked he wasn't a proven time traveler.

It's in the same vein that JK Rowling wrote Voldemort as the "last living ancestor" of Salazar Slytherin.

Because Rowling understands genealogy as much as she does maths or LGBT issues.

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

sbaldrick posted:

My favourite fact is Robert E Lee was for sure a direct ancestor of Pocahontas

Was he? I knew his wife was, but I didn't know he was.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Epicurius posted:

Was he? I knew his wife was, but I didn't know he was.
I'm pretty sure siblings have the same ancestors.

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I'm pretty sure siblings have the same ancestors.

:discourse:

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

American police spend enormous portions of their budget on procuring military hardware.

They're usually one time capital expenditures so they'd presumably not make up as big a chunk of the budget. One factor of budget bloat is just the sheer amount of officers and their overtime. Here's a different city's budget but of a similar amount and look at how much is spent only on overtime
https://twitter.com/lauren_marietta/status/1269015790386372610
(There's some typos in how she compared the costs. #1 which isn't shown is the budget for schools)

In more detail, here's a case example of the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office another city with a $400million+ budget for their police department
https://www.coj.net/departments/finance/docs/budget/fy18-proposed-budget.aspx



In that FY15-16 budget, you can see how much salaries and pensions make up the actual costs. ~75% of the budget is basically spent on cop salaries and retirement. Just on employees alone, there's about 3500 atm and even taking that older number and with the newer, larger staff number, that's and average of ~$53,000 per person. A decent amount but because of the large amount of employees, it starts to skyrocket fast.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Wait a minute, so these protests serve mostly to pad police officers' bank accounts

Goddamn these cops always win

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007




This is hilarious. My country spends on defense a little bit more than the Austin PD. We have a small but functional littoral navy, enough of an air force to police our own airspace and several very well equipped mechanized brigades with current gen tanks, APCs and SPGs. The same budget allows for a military intelligence agency, all the liasons with NATO and whatnot, a dozen UN peacekeeping missions, a really good aerial firefighting force we gladly send to help out our neighbours when in need and an aerobatics group. Plus the usual waste and corruption. A single city spending this much on policing is incredible.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



lol I looked up Austin and it has a smaller population than Brussels

Although to be fair, unlike Brussels it doesn't have six different police departments.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Phlegmish posted:

lol I looked up Austin and it has a smaller population than Brussels

Although to be fair, unlike Brussels it doesn't have six different police departments.
One for Flemish crimes against Walloons
One for Walloon crimes against Walloons
One for German crimes against Walloons
One for Flemish crimes against Flemings
One for Walloon crimes against Flemings
One for German crimes against Flemings

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



No, they mostly refuse to speak anything other than French so that would be a significant improvement

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Phlegmish posted:

No, they mostly refuse to speak anything other than French so that would be a significant improvement
I mean, they could still be speaking only French.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Phlegmish posted:

lol I looked up Austin and it has a smaller population than Brussels

Although to be fair, unlike Brussels it doesn't have six different police departments.

Most American jurisdictions will have the city police, the sherrif's office with county wide jurisdiction and the state poloce with state wide jurisdiction (they mostly just do traffic stops on the high ways.) In addition Universities like the University of Texas in Austin will usually have a special police department with jurisdiciton just on that univiserities campus.

This isn't getting into the fact that we also have park police, capitol police, taxi police (those are only in New York I think) Uber police (can't have the taxi police overextend themselves), railroad police, and gambling police (I used to work in a casino they just sit inside and play computer games all day while processing gambling licenses because casino security's so effective. Seems like a sweet gig tbh.)

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine
I lived in Southeast Washington in the early 90s, but only 6 blocks from the Capitol, so we had:
* Metro PD;
* US Park Police (they have jurisdiction in the DC area);
* US Capitol Police (we were technically on the grounds of the Capitol);
* FBI (federal district);
* And if a bus went by, that was Metro Transit Police jurisdiction!

So despite it being SE DC in the early 90s it was a pretty safe place to live.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
At the university I went to for my first failed semester, we had a safe ride program where kids could call up a free ride to their campus housing after drinking.

The campus cops would follow said safe rides and bust the kids for either minor in possession or public intoxication. So people avoided using it in favour of drunk driving or stumbling home in the dark on roads full of drunks.

Protect and Serve :911:

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

At the university I went to for my first failed semester, we had a safe ride program where kids could call up a free ride to their campus housing after drinking.

The campus cops would follow said safe rides and bust the kids for either minor in possession or public intoxication. So people avoided using it in favour of drunk driving or stumbling home in the dark on roads full of drunks.

Protect and Serve :911:
Cops are supposed to drive drunk kids home, not arrest them.

Golbez posted:

I lived in Southeast Washington in the early 90s, but only 6 blocks from the Capitol, so we had:
* Metro PD;
* US Park Police (they have jurisdiction in the DC area);
* US Capitol Police (we were technically on the grounds of the Capitol);
* FBI (federal district);
* And if a bus went by, that was Metro Transit Police jurisdiction!

So despite it being SE DC in the early 90s it was a pretty safe place to live.
Makes sense that gang violence would be limited near the heart of a gang's territory.

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I'm pretty sure siblings have the same ancestors.

Lee's wife was a Custis....Martha Washington's great granddaughter. Her mother was a Fitzhugh...the daughter of William Fitzhugh. She was also related to the Randolphs and the Carters. Lee's mother was a Carter, but Lee and his wife weren't siblings...third cousins once removed, maybe? But her descent from Pocahontas came through the Randolphs, not the Carters, who as far as I know weren't descended from her.

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Epicurius posted:

Lee's wife was a Custis....Martha Washington's great granddaughter. Her mother was a Fitzhugh...the daughter of William Fitzhugh. She was also related to the Randolphs and the Carters. Lee's mother was a Carter, but Lee and his wife weren't siblings...third cousins once removed, maybe? But her descent from Pocahontas came through the Randolphs, not the Carters, who as far as I know weren't descended from her.

it was a joke about how confederates are inbred traitors

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Cops are supposed to drive drunk kids home, not arrest them.



Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

Tree Goat posted:

it was a joke about how confederates are inbred traitors

Yes, I know. But it seemed off the point as to whether Lee was descended from Pocahontas.

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


Phlegmish posted:

lol I looked up Austin and it has a smaller population than Brussels

Although to be fair, unlike Brussels it doesn't have six different police departments.

I lived in a town of 25k people in the rural Midwest that had 5 different police agencies. I remember t-shirts mocking the situation for sale for the "City Drinking Squad, the city's 6th finest police agency".

City police
County Sheriff
University police
Tribal police
State police

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Texas cities will win all of these because it has state police AND the Texas Rangers

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Do Texas Rangers actually get to pursue bandits beyond the borders of Texas? That part sounds cool

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Vivian Darkbloom posted:

Do Texas Rangers actually get to pursue bandits beyond the borders of Texas? That part sounds cool

Yes, if the border is the Mexican one and this is prior to 1920.

It was decidedly uncool.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

It was a real rear end in a top hat move to attack America to bait them into invading Mexico. It didn't do anything good for Mexico, but he kept being annoying for long enough to outlive Caranza and then he could just be bribed into retirement.



It also was a major departure from the way that he previously courted American public opinion. Weird and crazy guy, Pancho Villa.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Yeah Villa badly misread US public opinion, but he was also desperate at that point having been done dirty by the other revolutionary factions.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Arglebargle III posted:

Yeah Villa badly misread US public opinion, but he was also desperate at that point having been done dirty by the other revolutionary factions.

I just got a flashback to some novel where someone thought Pancho Villa may have been still alive (at the time the story took place) but I don't think the story had much to do with Villa as it went, and it bugs me that I can't remember what it was :(

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Zapata he went into battle with and just straight-up lost, from what I hear, in a large part due to Villa's tactical errors.

Carranza genuinely did him dirty, but then he had been doing Villa dirty throughout the war, so it was easy to see coming.

And before all that, Obregon actually went to Villa and offered to help make sure Carranza didn't take charge of the whole country by the war's end, but instead of taking the offer, Villa tried to have Obregon killed, so obviously he was going to join with the other side when the convention went awry. Better the devil who won't have you summarily executed.

I'm never really sure what Villa's main motivations were, but the position he found himself in was the result of his own decisions. I feel like he correctly read US public opinion most of the time, he just decided towards the end that he'd rather court their fury rather than their awe, which was a weird decision and doesn't exactly make him seem like the kind of person you'd trust very much.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Golbez posted:

I lived in Southeast Washington in the early 90s, but only 6 blocks from the Capitol, so we had:
* Metro PD;
* US Park Police (they have jurisdiction in the DC area);
* US Capitol Police (we were technically on the grounds of the Capitol);
* FBI (federal district);
* And if a bus went by, that was Metro Transit Police jurisdiction!

So despite it being SE DC in the early 90s it was a pretty safe place to live.

wow, the only person in the world who feels safe when the police are around

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Well, you probably are less likely to be accosted by criminals in that situation. The unfortunate caveat is that you are more likely to be accosted by the police.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Villa always disliked Obregon.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous



Apparently they're actually armed?

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

mandatory lesbian posted:

wow, the only person in the world who feels safe when the police are around

Yes, being a white kid in southeast DC in the early 90s is pretty much the baseline for "feeling safer around cops than not around cops".

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


https://twitter.com/TerribleMaps/status/1270497410150739968?s=19

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


These are neat











Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Is there a name for states west of the Mississippi, but excluding the west coast?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Count Roland posted:

Is there a name for states west of the Mississippi, but excluding the west coast?

Starts with an F

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
...The Midwest?

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Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

thechosenone posted:

...The Midwest?

No. This is a fun can of worms that others can go into. But usually the Midwest includes states east of the Mississippi, and excludes states farther to the west like Idaho or Wyoming.

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