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Ask a robot to draw you, Kat.
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Demiurge4 posted:Ask a robot to draw you, Kat.
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Broken Glass is chapter 8, A Week for Kat is chapter 13. That means that the event that gave Kat her "bird phase" happened after Annie was rescued by the TicTocs. Possible timeline #1: Annie dies in chapter 8, and isn't around to push Kat to act about her crush on Alistair, Kat doesn't see Al turning into a bird, doesn't get obsessed with birds as a consequence, so she doesn't create time-traveling robirds who save Annie, therefore Annie remains dead. In this case, the situation is fully paradoxal, because the time-travel event has to occur so as to create the circumstances leading to the time-travel event. Possible timeline #2: Annie dies in chapter 8, and Kat, being sad and lonely, overcomes her shyness and jumps on Alistair without hesitation or prompting. She still gets her bird phase as a result, and creates the robirds who save Annie. In this situation, we have a timeline giving birth to a different timeline, so Kat now doesn't need to finish building the TicToc, since another Kat already did that anyway.
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Jun 4, 2020 13:17
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she could've also liked birds before she had a relationship with one
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Nah that was the whole joke behind the bird interest thing. Bird crush got her into birds, and really who can blame her, I got really into humans after my first crush.
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I get the joke, i'm just saying it's not inherently a paradox if she made a bird after losing annie
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The birds probably get sent back in time with the glowing footstep paintings https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=23
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Yeah, Kat, we get it. It's a stable loop. Now the next question is: who originally invented the Tic Toc? (It doesn't matter.)
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No Kat, you Don't understand. You saved your best friend in the past because she told you so. It's great!
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LMAO at using football-headed Annie for that sequence.
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Yeah, the fact that the universe hasn't exploded shows that the time loop is not a problem.
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Inglonias posted:Yeah, the fact that the universe hasn't exploded shows that the time loop is not a problem. Judging by what the arbiter said, someone's going to have to file some paperwork though.
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Podima posted:LMAO at using football-headed Annie for that sequence. Going back and re-reading the earlier parts of the comic is really disorienting sometimes.
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I always go back to Karkat saying that the Universe can handle paradoxes fine.
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Ah yes, the Cool Bird Paradox.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I always go back to Karkat saying that the Universe can handle paradoxes fine. I'm posting this purely to make you upset and/or angry: 
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Jun 5, 2020 18:03
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annies seem pretty chipper considering they just got told they should be dead
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EoRaptor posted:I'm posting this purely to make you upset and/or angry: Nah, that checks out.
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Begemot posted:Ah yes, the Cool Bird Paradox. AKA the Terminator Hand Paradox
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dragon enthusiast posted:annies seem pretty chipper considering they just got told they should be dead They were told their best friend saved their lives, it's fine.
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They are sweating a little so I wouldn't be surprised if they're putting on a strong face to try & reassure Kat that's its FINE, she's FINE, you're AMAZING, its OKAY they can freak out mutually later
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Mikl posted:Yeah, Kat, we get it. It's a stable loop. Now the next question is: who originally invented the Tic Toc? I agree it doesn't matter, but I would think the original Tic Toc was invented by the Kat whose Annie died. If she'd build an anti-grav hovership to go on a rescue mission, why not a time bird for a much more challenging rescue mission?
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Yeah, this stable time loop is a bit lacking. Usually the idea is that someone got gets some piece of information or some item they couldn't have gotten on their own and sends it back to themselves. In that case the paradox comes from the fact that the loop could not have started at any point. But Kat was certainly capable to come up with the birds design on her own, if it came down to it. Technically, we don't need a loop here, since a simple recursion is enough. Annie 1 dies -> Kat 1 is sad, builds bird 1 -> Bird 1 safes Annie 2 -> Annie 2 tells Kat 2 about bird 1 -> Kat builds bird 2 etc. We just have to be at some point n in the chain. The concept of a stable time loop is even more interesting if an actual object is involved. For example, I am fairly certain that I could not build a time machine. But one day, a me from a week in the future sends me one. I get to play around with it for a while and send it back to my past me a week later. Since I clearly would have no way to get this thing on my own, every single version of myself must have gotten it from a previous timeline. i.e. a real stable loop. But this also implies that this exact same time machine was circulating sets of one week for an infinite number of iterations already. So it would have to be infinitely old. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jun 5, 2020 |
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Or it's the idea that reality is the result of all time travels that will ever happen. So no timeline where Annie really did die.
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The tic tocs exist in the past because the robots believe in Kat's divinity, and now they influence the ether because Kat made them into living beings. We are literally witnessing Coyote's stars in the sky thought experiment in real time. I'm not sure she actually has to send them back in time for it to work; she just has to have created the tic tocs, and the robots' belief and the ether take care of the rest.
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EoRaptor posted:I'm posting this purely to make you upset and/or angry: I should not have checked out that artist's pixiv. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Jun 6, 2020 |
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Fortis posted:The tic tocs exist in the past because the robots believe in Kat's divinity, and now they influence the ether because Kat made them into living beings. We are literally witnessing Coyote's stars in the sky thought experiment in real time. I'm not sure she actually has to send them back in time for it to work; she just has to have created the tic tocs, and the robots' belief and the ether take care of the rest. Eh I don't even think she needs to have created the Tic Tocs, the Robots just need to believe they did. I think.
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HUG INCOMING
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 Yes Katharine. That version of me is dead and you could not safe her.
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She died and you did nothing
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We've been over this. Gods (you) exist outside of time and are free to gently caress with it.
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kat is quite a bit attached to her own perception of causality
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Supervillain origin story Kat about to bust through the wall of reality any day now looking for her Annie is the real problem you gotta worry about, Kat
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Good thing this is all impossible since Time travel can't be done.
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A big flaming stink posted:kat is quite a bit attached to her own perception of causality Well yeah, as someone who's spent most of her life thinking about how stuff works, facing the possibility that there aren't really any consistent rules is kind of tragic. From her perspective, the universe is telling her that her best friend's life depends on her abandoning her grip on reality.
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Ditocoaf posted:Well yeah, as someone who's spent most of her life thinking about how stuff works, facing the possibility that there aren't really any consistent rules is kind of tragic. Why? If she doesn't finish that bird,
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Blasmeister posted:Supervillain origin story Kat about to bust through the wall of reality any day now looking for her Annie is the real problem you gotta worry about, Kat Noein was a pretty good story, yeah.
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Wait a sec. I just realized something. Time causality loop... which Kat is coming to understand thanks to Loup... 
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Cat Mattress posted:Why? If she doesn't finish that bird, Well then she is killing some other time lines' Annie (in her eyes). I wonder if robogod Kat is just the Kat that lost her Annie?
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Mikl posted:HUG INCOMING DEPLOYING TACTICAL AFFECTION
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