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BizarroAzrael posted:Is it fair to say Starmer is a racist then? Or at least willing to appease racists? Which is to say; racist. Labour lost the election so he's not in a position to answer the question. Also it's not the right time given the sterling work the government is doing on being racist e: Licor 43 makes quite a nice digestif Wachter fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jun 8, 2020 |
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Isomermaid posted:When there's a general agreement that there is racial equality in the UK. It should stay in the river until then, gathering barnacles. The more hosed up it looks by the time it comes out will be a signifier of how much we didn't listen. I like the way you think
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I have yet to see a single Labour MP actually give unequivocal support of the protestors actions in toppling the statue,w hich is incredibly disappointing. The closest I've seen is David Lammy saying it should have been removed by democratic means years ago which is true but. Irrelevant to the question of whether it was right to pull it down now. And makes me deeply concerned about the long-term impacts of this kind of action. Even if the bristol council is fully on board, and even if the public gets behind it, if the best our most leftist politicians can do is mealy-mouthed ~electability~ poo poo, I feel pretty justified in not using the H word.
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I went down a rabbit hole of racist Twitter and Facebook last night. The main thing I learnt was that the 75 year old guy pushed over in Buffalo was faking it. You can tell this because you can clearly see that he has a fake blood pack hooked up between his mask and his ear. I guess the cops were also in on the act, because they knew to keep walking by (it was fake blood after all!), then get a 'pretend' suspension. The rest of them must have handed in pretend 'letters of resignation' to keep the gag going. Quite a prank!
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Guavanaut posted:Ending qualified immunity (in general, not just for cops) is a good idea though, so I'll wait to see how it gets watered down so that the people writing it are still kept above the law. Are you talking about Qualified Immunity or Qualified Privilege? Because it's really important that I can say in court that a crime never happened and that the guard made up details so he could prosecute my client and be protected by Qualified Privilege so I can't be sued for defamation by said Guard. Similar to Absolute Privilege as occasionally a TD will exposed a powerful businessman like Denis O Brien in a way that he can't sue them*. https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0309/1035408-denis-o-brien/ * = Fun fact, Denis O' Brien did sue the Government for this and was told to hope on his bike by the Supreme Court.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Is it fair to say Starmer is a racist then? Or at least willing to appease racists? Which is to say; racist. e: The Question IRL posted:Are you talking about Qualified Immunity or Qualified Privilege? https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1267267244029083648
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Cerv posted:I was thinking that yesterday. the statue is now a piece of history that deserves preservation for future generations to learn about the 2020s. never https://twitter.com/thetwerkinggirl/status/1269665948967075841?s=20
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feedmegin posted:This is one of the things that annoys me about the whole 'modern day slavery' thing. The literal point and definition of slavery is that it is the legal ownership of human beings. If your slave escapes, goes to a copper, and you get banged up because of it, that is not slavery, it is false imprisonment. When it is slavery then the copper arrests the slave and returns him to you for a whipping. That's how you tell the difference. I'm comfortable calling it slavery because slavery can also be forced labour or labour without proper remuneration. Prison labour for example.
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It's amazing how the cycle of rioting always turns out to have happened. People try democratic means, then peaceful protests, then democratic means some more, then peaceful protest some more, then eventually take direct action and  shitstains cry about why they didn't try peaceful protest or democratic means without even comprehending how much they did and were ignored.bessantj posted:I'm comfortable calling it slavery because slavery can also be forced labour or labour without proper remuneration. Prison labour for example. Modern slavery is prison labour. Modern slavery is a trafficked construction worker or fruit picker whose passport has been taken away by his employer, who is forced into debt for uniform and PPE and accommodation and travel until the point where his wages are entirely consumed before he gets them. Modern slavery is child sexual exploitation. Modern slavery is adult trafficking for sexual exploitation. Modern slavery is sweatshop labour. I'd honestly go as far as to say it's Amazon warehouse workers in a lot of cases. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Jun 8, 2020 |
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It's also paying people in company scrip and saying they can't quit, which happened in the West Virginia Mine Wars, and was ruled unlawful, and still apparently happens on UK farms.
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Julio Cruz posted:https://itch.io/b/520/bundle-for-racial-justice-and-equality There's also Lancer (a sweet as heck Mech Combat TTRPG), and even a few nice time/project management apps as well (Tape & Deskspace)
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https://twitter.com/BBradley_Mans/status/1269677091500494857 I wouldn't have trafficked hundreds of thousands for profit, leading to the direct deaths of at least 19,000, but I didn't know any better at the time.
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Guavanaut posted:https://twitter.com/BBradley_Mans/status/1269677091500494857 He's so close to comprehension, yet still the gulf of utter absence of critical thought remains.
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thespaceinvader posted:The closest I've seen is David Lammy saying it should have been removed by democratic means years ago which is true but. It was. A group of the people got together and removed an eyesore in the community. What he wanted was to have it been removed by hierarchic means.
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Tindalos posted:It was. I assume he means that people should have peitioned the council and the council should have listened. Which again, is undeniably true, but also irrelevant.
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https://twitter.com/tejmuk/status/1269939743565008897 Keir becoming a laughing stock already, thought it would take longer.
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thespaceinvader posted:I assume he means that people should have peitioned the council and the council should have listened. Oh sure, but it's a comment about how everyone loves to talk about democratic means until democracy has to go around them. Like the condemnation of protests because they should be just complaining through "proper channels."
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thespaceinvader posted:I assume he means that people should have peitioned the council and the council should have listened. That's why there was a critical mass of people willing to pull it down, and why the police made no attempt to stop it, and why there was mass cheering when it was chucked into the sea. You don't get that without years of anger deferred.
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bessantj posted:I'm comfortable calling it slavery because slavery can also be forced labour or labour without proper remuneration. Prison labour for example. LEGALLY enforced labour, yes, I agree with you, and there is a reason the 13th amendment has the bit in it saying 'except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted' in it. That's the thing, though, having the State officially back and enforce the ownership of human beings is a uniquely evil thing to my mind and it cheapens the term to extend it further. We already have perfectly good terms for the other cases.
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Tindalos posted:Oh sure, but it's a comment about how everyone loves to talk about democratic means until democracy has to go around them. I'm sure I read somewhere that among all the official UK parliament petitions, the ones that need 100k signatures for debate in parliament, not a single one has accomplished anything. Do it through the proper channels, the ones where you feed your suggestion into the black box of centrism and it comes out the other end with a big REJECTED stamped on and we can plausibly deny that we're ignoring you.
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Guavanaut posted:Also they had been for 30 years, and the council didn't listen, probably because they were pressured by decorum obsessed MPs. I think we are vigorously agreeing here. The disappointment I'm expressing is that Labour MPs are being mealy-mouthed and lovely and about it rather than just saying 'I support the protestors in pulling down the statue, if I'd been there I would have been cheering them on'.Which I expect at least some of them believe.
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think someone mentioned Alice Roberts having good opinions about the statue earlier, looks like Kate Williams and David olusoga are also on the right side https://twitter.com/KateWilliamsme/status/1269713381973516290?s=20 https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1269666068999569408?s=20 also bit of a weird Twitter journey, but the racism egg retweeted what I assume is a second, related racism egg https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1269347323177431040?s=20 egg 2 retweeted this met superintendent retweeting a video from an account with "patriot" in their bio who unsurprisingly is retweeting James Woods, James O'Keefe et al (just from quickly scrolling through, might be other stuff on there) https://twitter.com/roysmithpolice/status/1269170202715004928?s=20 maybe police officers shouldn't be hanging out on alt right Twitter???
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are all the javid men eggs? loving hell they all are https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696785/Sajid-Javids-band-brothers-achieved-great-success.html
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when the directly elected mayor of the city wanted the statue down, but couldn't get it done what more evidence do you need that sometimes democracy fails?
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Reading back through kiers career as Chief Bootlicker/Bootstomper for the evil tory pedo government, he seems to not be a particularly good choice for Labour leader Like every big government gently caress up of the past X years Kier is there and he fucks things up every time too and has to apologise. I read a funny blogspot article that's called "kier didn't let Saville off" and in classic lib fashion it can't just lie so it basically admits that, yes, keir was in charge of not investigating Saville, then held a minor internal inquiry into the failure which blamed Kiers decision not to proceed! Any police brutality case he's there too lying alongside the IPCC and cops until the last moment. He's a professional bootlicker and he wasn't even very good at it. But he will NEVER attack the government itself, he's spent his entire life lying and defending its most heinous crimes. I'm beginning to wonder if he's not just a spook and mi5 used him and probably others as patsys to gently caress Corbyn then figured hey why not try for leader of the party while were at it. If not they missed a trick cause you couldn't hope for a better leader to sabotage Labour as a vehicle for the proles
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XMNN posted:think someone mentioned Alice Roberts having good opinions about the statue earlier, looks like Kate Williams and David olusoga are also on the right side David Olusoga was making the case for removing the statue and putting it in a museum years ago https://twitter.com/intelligence2/status/1269700311926681610
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Jose posted:are all the javid men eggs?
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Tindalos posted:It was. Uh, excuse me, democracy is a thing that happens once every 5-ish years, when I put a cross IN PEN!!! next to my team's logo, and at no other time 
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He's also making a very strong play for 'videocall bookshelf of the lockdown'. Very strong.
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Bobstar posted:Uh, excuse me, democracy is a thing that happens once every 5-ish years, when I put a cross IN PEN!!! next to my team's logo, and at no other time
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this sort of thing probably isn't news to anyone but i did find this thread an interesting look at police attitudes and how the rot is very much structural https://twitter.com/AlexandraErin/status/1269839205036851201 Red Oktober posted:He's also making a very strong play for 'videocall bookshelf of the lockdown'. Very strong. the four or five guitars really clinches it. next video interview should just be him saying "gently caress coulson", doing a sick guitar riff and skateboarding off camera. that's what i'd do if i was a respected historian at this time
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Doccykins posted:David Olusoga was making the case for removing the statue and putting it in a museum years ago "Oh poo poo... we thought he said aquarium, our bad"
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thespaceinvader posted:I think we are vigorously agreeing here. Oh sure, sorry! I was more meaning the MP should be happy democracy was happening, rather than appealing to an authority in vain.
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