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I think the term "boondocks" is from Tagalog.
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'Zombie' is another straight rip. English is a word kleptomaniac.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'Zombie' is another straight rip. English is a word kleptomaniac. James D. Nicoll posted:The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
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Jun 6, 2020 12:01
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Enough motherfuckers have that quote on speed-dial we can probably just start saying "English, alleyway" and further the process itself. Darmok, his arms high!
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Jun 6, 2020 13:02
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Helith posted:
I love that podcast. It's my go-to night listening. Interesting, but chiiiiiillllll. I wish it updated more often, I've listened through it twice now.
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Jun 6, 2020 13:03
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My favorite of these is the English word "boulevard," which somewhat obviously comes from the French word of the same name, but the French word comes from the Germanic "bulwark." Just take that word meaning a big, bulky, hastily produced rampart, dunk it in a vat of French and let it soak, and boosh, you've got a word for describing a wide, pleasant, landscaped street.
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Jun 6, 2020 13:17
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“Until” is “und” + “till”, all three words meaning the same thing.
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Jun 6, 2020 13:24
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my favorite little etymology thing that still manages to gently caress people up somehow is that helicopter isn't heli + copter, it's helico + pter -- 'spiral wing'
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Jun 6, 2020 13:28
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Red Bones posted:Bungalow is another one, being just an adaption of Bengali, as in "a Bengali style house". The folk etymology of it being a shortening of "bung a low roof on the building" is a lot better though imo. Do Americans call them Bungalows? The only one-story small suburban houses I know of in the US are shotgun houses. Yeah america has Bungalows.  wide front porch, front sloping roof. they were a very popular suburban model of house
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Jun 6, 2020 14:43
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flatluigi posted:my favorite little etymology thing that still manages to gently caress people up somehow is that helicopter isn't heli + copter, it's helico + pter -- 'spiral wing' Ah so that's (probably) why in French, "hélico" is shorthand for "hélicoptère"
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Jun 6, 2020 15:03
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Kassad posted:Ah so that's (probably) why in French, "hélico" is shorthand for "hélicoptère" well, yes, but the french word came first (it was coined in french out of those greek components)
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Jun 6, 2020 15:10
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flatluigi posted:my favorite little etymology thing that still manages to gently caress people up somehow is that helicopter isn't heli + copter, it's helico + pter -- 'spiral wing' Raptor, as in a bird of prey, comes from Ra + pter - 'Egyptian God wing' and was a reference to falcon headed Horus. obviously fake
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Jun 6, 2020 15:15
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flatluigi posted:my favorite little etymology thing that still manages to gently caress people up somehow is that helicopter isn't heli + copter, it's helico + pter -- 'spiral wing' Pterodactyl translates to “wing hand”
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Red Bones posted:On a similar note, I'm also studying German at the moment and it's interesting how, in line with the scale of German immigration to the US, how many of the differences between US and UK English involve US English having more commonalities with German. E.g. use of words like "kaput", "gerkin" instead of "courgette", more widespread use of "auto-" when referring to cars (.e.g. "auto industry"). The usual American word for courgette is zuchinni. We use gherkin to refer to certain types of small, tart pickles.
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Jun 6, 2020 15:45
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Haggard is maybe derived "hag-rid" ridden by a night hag/mare/nightmare. The old conception of sleep paralysis that there's some being riding people as they sleep. Something that would leave you pretty Haggard. The old Norse version is Tröllríða (ridden by a troll) "Tröll" in the older meaning of malignant supernatural beingor even wizard not in the post 18th century understanding of it being a specific race of large mountiain dwelling beings.
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Jun 6, 2020 17:43
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Modern History TV is a youtube channel with a charming British fellow doing quick 5-10 minute bits on how people used to live in the medieval period. The hood looks silly but remember in the early '90s, kids were wearing tennis visors upside-down and sideways with their pants on backwards. There were some kids that would turn their baseball caps inside out and wear them on the side of their head. Never understood that one. Fashion has always been ridiculous.
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Jun 6, 2020 18:14
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FreudianSlippers posted:Haggard is maybe derived "hag-rid" ridden by a night hag/mare/nightmare. The old conception of sleep paralysis that there's some being riding people as they sleep. Something that would leave you pretty Haggard. Yeah monsters being divided into super clear types is very much a modern thing, back in the day almost any kind of creature could end up being called a Troll or Witch or Dragon and so on
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flatluigi posted:my favorite little etymology thing that still manages to gently caress people up somehow is that helicopter isn't heli + copter, it's helico + pter -- 'spiral wing' It's more apparent in old recordings of people using the word and using a long E.
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In Icelandic helicopter is þyrla which means to twirl or throw
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mostlygray posted:There were some kids that would turn their baseball caps inside out and wear them on the side of their head. Never understood that one. How do you wear a hat on the side of your head? Do you staple it to your temple?
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Jun 6, 2020 21:02
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Gargamel Gibson posted:How do you wear a hat on the side of your head? Do you staple it to your temple? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3hD9ZbguIg&t=16s
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mostlygray posted:The hood looks silly but remember in the early '90s, kids were wearing tennis visors upside-down and sideways with their pants on backwards. There were some kids that would turn their baseball caps inside out and wear them on the side of their head. Never understood that one. look at this dude who dont know who Kriss Kross iz
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Gargamel Gibson posted:How do you wear a hat on the side of your head? Do you staple it to your temple?
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Pterodactyl translates to “wing hand” Finger-wings actually. Comes up a bunch in scientific names. Artiodactyla for even-toed ungulates for example.
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Red Bones posted:A fun game I like to play is looking up words on etymonline dot com to see which English words I can find with the most obscure roots outside of the standard French/Latin/Germanic. Fun ones I have found so far are trousers (Gaelic), haggard (unknown, pos. Finnish term for an old horse via Danish or Dutch), yoghurt (Turkish), kudos (Greek), and harridan (French, unknown origin, possibly just referred to one specific person that people really didn't like). "Jerky" is a Quechua root. So is puma, quinoa, condor, and guano.
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“Barbecue” is Arawak via Spanish. The country of Jamaica gets its name from Arawak. New York City’s Jamaica, meanwhile, is a corruption of an Algonquin word for beaver.
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I’ve been reading a history of the adult film industry and from the 1930s... “Swastika in the Hole . A raunchy all-American brunette seduces Hitler himself, albeit in the form of a short man wearing a saggy rubber mask. They have sex, and the Nazi leader is obviously impressed by his partner's pubic hair, shaven into the shape of a swastika. His performance, however, is clearly less than she expected from a member of the self-appointed master race, a criticism she spells out in such livid terms that the shamed and demoralized Hitler picks up a nearby revolver and (with remarkable historical precognition) shoots himself in the head.”
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Nckdictator posted:I’ve been reading a history of the adult film industry and from the 1930s... Holy poo poo. What is the book that is from!
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Josef bugman posted:Holy poo poo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_White_and_Blue This.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:My favorite of these is the English word "boulevard," which somewhat obviously comes from the French word of the same name, but the French word comes from the Germanic "bulwark." Just take that word meaning a big, bulky, hastily produced rampart, dunk it in a vat of French and let it soak, and boosh, you've got a word for describing a wide, pleasant, landscaped street. There's a lot of french words that are cognate to english words and come from germanic languages (“France” for example). French itself is, like english, a latin-german pidgin, it just kept more of the latin. On the opposite end there’s also a lot of norman-era words that come from french that no one recognizes until pointed out, like guerre-werre-war I actually think it's really common for anglos to overestimate how "mongrel" english is compared to any other language. It seems to me what's unique to english is how it's very prone to keeping words intact instead of anglicizing them. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 21:06 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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Nckdictator posted:the shamed and demoralized Hitler picks up a nearby revolver and (with remarkable historical precognition) shoots himself in the head.” Precognition? Hitler used an autoloader.
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Today I learned that the current jacobite heir to the british crown is... Franz Wittelsbach. Sorry Franz Bonaventura Adalbert Maria, Duke of Bavaria. He's not actually duke of anything except being rich but he gets to be called that. His family opposed the nazis though and he himself seems pretty decent for nobility. But since we allow these former nobility to keep kicking around being enormously wealthy dilettantes for no reason, I wish they'd own it and give us drama. Francis I should openly proclaim himself the King of England and Scotland and pointedly snub the Windsors and the BRD government at social events. He should give speeches about how he totally hates brexit and bojo and CERTAIN kings would do something about it.
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I'd say give them a reality TV show, but giving rich entitled assholes more public exposure seems to be ending badly.
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The heir to House Habsburg is a race car driver, so at least he provides some entertainment value.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I actually think it's really common for anglos to overestimate how "mongrel" english is compared to any other language. It seems to me what's unique to english is how it's very prone to keeping words intact instead of anglicizing them. Every language is mongrel. Norwegian for example has a lot of german words (isenkram for example is norwegian word for iron tools and comes from the german word eisenkram).And cities that had a lot german immigrant workers have a lot of german street names.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I actually think it's really common for anglos to overestimate how "mongrel" english is compared to any other language. In my anecdotal experience many anglos love to fawn over points that they believe make English exceptional. And all of them only spoke English. Something more on-topic: I just finished the Fall of Civilisations podcast series. I loved it so very much! Can anybody recommend something that is comparable?
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Such Fun posted:Something more on-topic: I just finished the Fall of Civilisations podcast series. I loved it so very much! Can anybody recommend something that is comparable? CNN? In more seriousness, Dan Carlin has some good episodes about this subject. I'm sure there are more good suggestions, but I'd love to hear them as well!
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Fall of Rome by Patrick Wyman is in the same vein for the Western Roman empire.
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I haven't listened to Fall of Civilizations, but the History of Rome podcast (and the follow-on Revolutions podcasts) are fantastic. If a little in the weeds on Rome.
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I didn’t mean podcasts specifically about the ruin of civilisations. Rather podcasts, or youtube-available documentaries or what have you, about ancient history, on the same level: accessible for the layman but also with a bit of depth. I won’t pretend that having listened to just a dozen hours of naration about ten different cultures makes me know the truth about them, but it gave me an outline. You can listen to the entire series on their YouTube channel, it’s amazing in my opinion.
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