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The Perfect Element posted:I've read through the op's post a few times and can't really get a handle on what it is they need or want. I think they're concerned about their own safety, and so want a third party to do it for them? If that's the case it's not completely unreasonable TBH.
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The Perfect Element posted:I've read through the op's post a few times and can't really get a handle on what it is they need or want. I think the question is "I want to encourage my friend to expose their fash coworker but my friend is worried about the backlash if the company finds out they are a whislteblower, so i would like an authoritative sounding source for how to do that anonymously that I can send my friend"
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Jun 9, 2020 21:31
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goddamnedtwisto posted:"become"? The City has been this since at least the 16th century. yeah ofc. it's important to use this moment to broaden the conversation to uk economics and our contemporary role as an imperial power. i think generally the mainstream british left is quite bad at talking about our foreign policy, but we still very much profit from modern slavery, we just have a few more middlemen and a bit more plausible deniability.
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OwlFancier posted:I think the question is "I want to encourage my friend to expose their fash coworker but my friend is worried about the backlash if the company finds out they are a whislteblower, so i would like an authoritative sounding source for how to do that anonymously that I can send my friend" Why not take screenshots of whatever, copy and paste images into a file and make sure no meta data is saved with the images OR the word or whatever document (or even just print it out) and wear gloves to hold any papers, envelope, stamp, and use water to moisten the stamp not lick (so no dna or finger print evidence)* and post from a remote postbox to HR or CEO marked 'private & confidential'. *Jae spends too much time watching CSI.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Why not take screenshots of whatever, copy and paste images into a file and make sure no meta data is saved with the images OR the word or whatever document (or even just print it out) and wear gloves to hold any papers, envelope, stamp, and use water to moisten the stamp not lick (so no dna or finger print evidence)* and post from a remote postbox to HR or CEO marked 'private & confidential'. I think what you're describing there is blackmail.
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gh0stpinballa posted:yeah ofc. it's important to use this moment to broaden the conversation to uk economics and our contemporary role as an imperial power. i think generally the mainstream british left is quite bad at talking about our foreign policy, but we still very much profit from modern slavery, we just have a few more middlemen and a bit more plausible deniability. Fair point. I suppose it gets subsumed into the general anticapitalist stance, but we definitely need to be a lot better about highlighting the way in which both the City and the UK government helps the literal worst people on Earth wash the blood off their money. This is where liberals could actually prove their alleged worth because it should be right in their wheelhouse, but HSBC put a rainbow in their Twitter handle and had an advert with Richard Ayoade that made gammons mad and so that's them safe.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Why not take screenshots of whatever, copy and paste images into a file and make sure no meta data is saved with the images OR the word or whatever document (or even just print it out) and wear gloves to hold any papers, envelope, stamp, and use water to moisten the stamp not lick (so no dna or finger print evidence)* and post from a remote postbox to HR or CEO marked 'private & confidential'. Unless their employer is MI5 that's about ten degrees of overkill. Also almost all modern printers add watermarks that make them traceable.
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Jun 9, 2020 21:44
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OwlFancier posted:I think what you're describing there is blackmail. I don't think so - he's not demanding any money or favours, just letting the company know what the other fellow has been doing which is what OP wanted to do or have I misunderstood?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Why not take screenshots of whatever, copy and paste images into a file and make sure no meta data is saved with the images OR the word or whatever document (or even just print it out) and wear gloves to hold any papers, envelope, stamp, and use water to moisten the stamp not lick (so no dna or finger print evidence)* and post from a remote postbox to HR or CEO marked 'private & confidential'. CSI is bollocks for quite a number of reasons. Particularly when it comes to forensics. If your friend is worried, tell him to get a cheap phone with a camera. Ideally with no way of tracing it to him. (Pay cash, don’t get a SIM card on it etc...) Use this new phone to take photos of whatever images he wants to send on.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I don't think so - he's not demanding any money or favours, just letting the company know what the other fellow has been doing which is what OP wanted to do or have I misunderstood? I was more meaning that you just described posting incriminating photographs anonymously to a company without specifying any accompanying information, which might be interpreted differently by the recipient  Like that's the first stage of blackmailing somebody, absent possibly including a note saying "WE KNOW" or something
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Doing the rounds on one of our local FB groups (our town has regrettable right wing tendencies) obviously being interpreted as meaning the protests etc aren't 'real'. https://www.demandprotest.com/ quote:
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Unless their employer is MI5 that's about ten degrees of overkill. Also almost all modern printers add watermarks that make them traceable. I know our printers keep copies of the image on the machine's internal HDD (it's partitioned, one half used for the machine's OS, the other used for image processing), and as more stuff gets printed, the older files get overwritten. There's a feature which can be enabled which overwrites the old images, but afaik, I've never seen it enabled on a government machine I've had access to. I've also never been able to take a government printer's old HDD off site either though
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Unless their employer is MI5 that's about ten degrees of overkill. Also almost all modern printers add watermarks that make them traceable. What if you photocopy the printed stuff on your domestic "3 in 1" printer/copier/scanner?
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Jun 9, 2020 21:56
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Fair point. I suppose it gets subsumed into the general anticapitalist stance, but we definitely need to be a lot better about highlighting the way in which both the City and the UK government helps the literal worst people on Earth wash the blood off their money. This is where liberals could actually prove their alleged worth because it should be right in their wheelhouse, but HSBC put a rainbow in their Twitter handle and had an advert with Richard Ayoade that made gammons mad and so that's them safe. this is it. think how hard it is to get people to see why the colston statue had to fall. now try explaining that abolition didn't really happen, we just keep the slaves out of public view and hide the paper trail connecting us to the exploitation of the global south. then explaining the complex interplay of the legal and illegal economies. hopefully the longer this convo goes on the better the chances of that kind of reckoning i guess.
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I think the problem with the rich people crimes stuff is that people reasonably go "well I didn't ask for that to happen and I don't see how I benefit from it either" so they kinda check out of it. Same with all foreign policy stuff really. It's all people in high places doing stuff autonomously without any input from normal people like us, so it's hard to get people bothered about other than the kind of people who are already on the "eat the rich" bandwagon anyway and so don't need much more provokation. Hard to get people motivated about ending crimes they don't feel complicit in, probably never even knew were happening, and wouldn't improve their lives if they were stopped. More chance, I think, of trying to sell people on the material benefits to them of guillotining all the bastards at the top and coincidentally it also would be really good for their direct victims too.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Gossip time, but Natalie Rowe is making noises about revealing who "Mr Twist" from her autobiography is: This woman was on big brother... and she said some things
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they really want to kill kids https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1270459313304342535?s=20
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Ms Adequate posted:It can actually be easier to start off flaccid if you're pushing things any real distance up there, but once you're used to it you're good either way.
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Jose posted:they really want to kill kids Helpful of them to include an image of other things that are a major risk to kids.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:What if you photocopy the printed stuff on your domestic "3 in 1" printer/copier/scanner? Very cheap inkjets and B&W laser printers *probably* don't do it (AIUI it generally only appears as a feature on printers good enough to produce official documents/cheques/bank notes good enough to fool a cursory inspection - our resident printer-fondler might be able to expand), but as we're playing  they're also of variable enough quality that it'd certainly be possible to match up flaws in the printing to your particular device.
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I think spangly's friend is less worried about taking a screenshot with a MY PROFILE: JOEY JOHNSON tab open and more about being one of the few people able to see this guy's stuff (especially the private extra bad posts) and maybe one of the most likely to be suspected. So having some org - especially a really official businesslike one - doing all the paperwork at least takes some of the pressure off, and they become the thing that the guy really needs to worry about I don't have any suggestions, but are any of the bigger anti-racist organisations likely to chase this kind of thing up? I mean the kind of stuff like tell mama where they actively want people to report things, and anonymity is important because it often involves the whistleblower directly
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Unless their employer is MI5 that's about ten degrees of overkill. Also almost all modern printers add watermarks that make them traceable. Jaeluni Asjil posted:What if you photocopy the printed stuff on your domestic "3 in 1" printer/copier/scanner?
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Also twitter is bad but when experts talk about interesting subjects you can learn a lot of niche stuff! https://mobile.twitter.com/oldenoughtosay/status/1270376631274790915
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baka kaba posted:I think spangly's friend is less worried about taking a screenshot with a MY PROFILE: JOEY JOHNSON tab open and more about being one of the few people able to see this guy's stuff (especially the private extra bad posts) and maybe one of the most likely to be suspected. So having some org - especially a really official businesslike one - doing all the paperwork at least takes some of the pressure off, and they become the thing that the guy really needs to worry about
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lmao at all of this https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1270464383165087745?s=20
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OwlFancier posted:I think the question is "I want to encourage my friend to expose their fash coworker but my friend is worried about the backlash if the company finds out they are a whislteblower, so i would like an authoritative sounding source for how to do that anonymously that I can send my friend" it's this I know I can send an email containing screenshots of screenshots that don't have obvious potentially identifying poo poo (private posts on the guy's FB, group membership, and so on), I've already walked them through that. I spoke to some different friends and one guy has volunteered, already has the screenshots (suitably selected), and is all good to send them with links and condemnation I wrote, so no possible written giveaways. I think what's being left unsaid is whether there's friendly guides with a little more authority than "this dude your friend knows", so I started from antifash gordon and had a skim around from there. Most of the stuff I found is almost entirely OSINT poo poo, which is pointless when the posts are just a stream of hatespeech in his name, with his employer listed on his profile, dozens of photos, and so on. It's not a job that's going to slap people about for liking tommy robinson shares, the group they're in that kicked all this off has some fairly regular apartheid apologia from old saffas. It's an egregious pattern of racial bullying that the lib dem mod doesn't want to touch, by someone with a history of bullying in person. I'm sorry for the lovely writing, I'm not used to being coy, I like angry and targeted rhetoric. I passed a better written draft post over and was told that I made the industry obvious to anyone who worked in it. I think I was careful enough but it's not my job and I'm not the one sticking my neck out, and it took me days to get something they were fine with. e; fucks sake Spangly A fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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yeah if most employers get an email saying "btw one of your employees is fash" their first instinct isn't going to be "hmm let's see if we can trace who sent this" screenshots and a throwaway email address are all you need
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Jose posted:lmao at all of this LOL at the changing architecture remark. Holding a referendum to decide whether to put up a bit of cornice.
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baka kaba posted:Also twitter is bad but when experts talk about interesting subjects you can learn a lot of niche stuff! Love it! It's like when during US Prohibition vineyards started selling grape juice, with labels carrying dire and detailed warnings about how if you kept the bottle in these conditions for this amount of time and added this amount of yeast to it (presumably in a freak accident when you're baking, you trip and a bottle of grape juice is open on the counter...) it would become wine which was very naughty and illegal.
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Yeah so, "I want to help my friend see that this is something they can do safely and that other people have done before, and the best way they will feel safe is if they can read a serious organization's guidance and commentary on the process."
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah so, "I want to help my friend see that this is something they can do safely and that other people have done before, and the best way they will feel safe is if they can read a serious organization's guidance and commentary on the process." how are you so much better at condensing information than me
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Probably because it's literally how I think. I talk to myself repeatedly until I can fit an idea in a sentence and then I say the sentence in different formulations until it sounds about right, also why I edit a lot. If I'm trying to understand something I literally talk to the wall as if I was explaining the concept to it, if what I end up saying still makes sense I think I've sort of got the idea. Do that for, like, 15 years straight and you get sort of good at it. Which is also why I start off arguments by trying to do that with the other person's position. As a way of understanding ideas I like it and recommend it, especially if you have difficulty with other methods, but you have to remember to only do it when you're on your own otherwise you get very weird looks if you pace around mumbling the same thing to yourself over and over again. Also if you're talking animatedly with thin air There's probably some sort of thinking/learning style theory behind it but conversation/verbalizing ideas is just by far the nicest way to think for me. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Very cheap inkjets and B&W laser printers *probably* don't do it (AIUI it generally only appears as a feature on printers good enough to produce official documents/cheques/bank notes good enough to fool a cursory inspection - our resident printer-fondler might be able to expand), but as we're playing A home scanner probably doesn't have the resolution to pick up a watermark, and even an office scanner at low resolution would lose some of the detail, and more if the document was printed in a low quality setting. And if you're going to go around an office looking for any image defects on output, you'd probably be looking in the job history to find out who'd used it and when
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Jose posted:they really want to kill kids Philip looks like he's about to inform us that he's afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational.
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bessantj posted:Philip looks like he's about to inform us that he's afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational. Since sometime late last year he looks like he's just been constantly haemorraghing into his head.
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Jose posted:they really want to kill kids I mean they do, but in this case they're much more using the kids as a vector to kill poor adults. BalloonFish posted:Love it! There have been similar 'it would be a great shame if' posts doing the rounds about how to defend yourself from attack by rioting police, including but not limited to a good particles-and-fumes-rated respirator, enclosed scuba or science lab goggles (not swimming ones, impact can be very bad with them), a hard hat, heat and cut resistant gloves, etc etc etc. All of which can be conveniently ordered for sterile collection from your local screwfix if you feel the need to do some important. Gardening. (also about how to deal with active tear gas canisters, in short, pop a traffic cone over it, pour water down it until it goes out) I adore them. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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And this is the entire reason why labour is a pile of poo poo, and the voting system in this country is a pile of poo poo. Best we can do is vote green before starmer decides he's going to run with "sell your parents house to the government while they're still living in it to get onto the housing ladder yourself!"
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Jose posted:they really want to kill kids Dude, please - they're not all necrophiles. Peter Shilton has to nobody's surprise exposed himself as an arsehole, telling people that the Tories have a huge majority and if you don't like it you should get out of the country instead of pulling down statues. This has caused Ray Clemence to start trending on Twitter, not because he had anything to do with it but from all the people saying he was a better keeper than Shilton.
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