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I will say that I feel as though if we weren't importing from China, we'd look elsewhere (Thailand, India, Taiwan etc) because it'd still be cheaper to import than to produce more at home. that's my reckonomics, at least.
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Gentleman Baller posted:But it measures the difference in speed between the various tests, not your overall speed. It doesnt matter if you are 0.2 seconds slower than everyone else, it matters what specific tests you are slower and faster on. There's more factors involved than just speed. The number of stimuli being categorised, the type of stimuli, the length each task, and your ability to switch and adapt between tasks for example. Maybe it's fine for 'average people', but it is making a lot of assumptions about the capability of how the testee processes information, and doesn't make any attempt to control for them (which you can't really do in a five minute test). I know there are quite a few posters who have adhd or autism, so I just wanted to warn people up front that it might be a test that you naturally suck at (you could do the test with shapes, colours, sounds, etc. and get equally poor results).
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The Before Times posted:I will say that I feel as though if we weren't importing from China, we'd look elsewhere (Thailand, India, Taiwan etc) because it'd still be cheaper to import than to produce more at home. that's my reckonomics, at least. We used to do a fair bit of stuff that required white collar workers through China, but a lot of businesses are moving to Manila because it's cheaper than Shenzhen and there are plenty of people there with English language and higher qualifications.
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There is no evidence that bad performance in an implicit bias test predicts racist behavior, OP. If someone with a concerned look on their face urges you to take an implicit bias test to measure your racism you should trea them the same way you would a myers-briggs enthusiast.
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"Raw" milk is one of those things which comes back every few years and hangs around until kids start dying, then scurries under a rock again.
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Amethyst posted:There is no evidence that bad performance in an implicit bias test predicts racist behavior, OP. If someone with a concerned look on their face urges you to take an implicit bias test to measure your racism you should trea them the same way you would a myers-briggs enthusiast. i matched with ghandi
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Amethyst posted:Assuming that China is using recent tariffs and import bans and now travel advisories as tools of economic coerciaon against australia: This is my understanding of the situation - anyone with better than layman knowledge of the subject is welcome to correct me: - China is our biggest export partner for both resources (iron, coal, gas etc) and services (tourism and education primarily), as well as our biggest import partner. - we're probably relatively safe on the resources front in the short term. Resource exports are economically beneficial to both Australia and China, and there's no value to the CCP in taking an (admittedly modest) hit by restricting Australian resource imports to make a political point (ala Trump). - service exports are where China has the upper hand. It seems to me that Chinese tourists or students in Australia don't do much economically for China directly, but they are an important pillar of our service economy. Restricting outward travel to Australia would have minimal economic impact on China but cause significant harm to our economy. In terms of what cooperation looks like, probably worth looking at countries like South Korea. Notwithstanding historical and cultural factors, South Korea is wealthy while heavily embedded within China's economic sphere (contrast this with Asian and African nations that are embedded in China's economic sphere but are not wealthy, or European countries which are relatively wealthy but do not export much to China). Japan is another potential comparator, but they have much more significant economic links with the US than we do and there's historical animosity to consider. In terms of capitulation, who knows? China having the geopolitical and economic muscle to play a dominant role on the international stage is a relatively new development.
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hambeet posted:i matched with ghandi indira?
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Anidav posted:O’Connor suggests those who march in protest consider more than the “white versus black” narrative [...] but before the hordes of local virtue signallers start organising another illegal protest march, a little perspective as provided by American black activist Candace Owens might be helpful. 'A little perspective' by saying 'we don’t do personal responsibility, we blame white people' in response to a series of protests started by white police killing a black guy, where those police initially got off with zero charges.  Even if Floyd had a criminal history, he had served his time for every charge I've read about which means he took personal responsibility for everything he did (even in cases where he might not have, he still did the time).“It’s crap, it’s a fake, it’s a farce. Our biggest problem is us. It’s why we don’t talk about it when black-on-black violence happens." - she has a platform to talk about black on black violence and even has the conservative ear, but instead of talking about it, she talks about how no one talks about it.
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The Before Times posted:anyone else itt feeling real depressed about being a cog in a racist machine designed to commit genocide over hundreds of years in various different insidious forms no i'm depressed about being a misshapen cog unable to fit in the racist machine but being pressured to do so in order to continue my existence and powerless to do much about it beyond the usual voting, retweeting, signing petitions, donating to VALS etc
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freebooter posted:Nah it's a sulky tit-for-tat from a glass-jawed state because of our recent diplomatic stoushes, which in any case is a moot point because nobody is travelling to Australia any time in the near future It is both. They probably should had an advisory for forever.
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Zetsubou-san posted:no I mean, that too
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Tokamak posted:There's more factors involved than just speed. The number of stimuli being categorised, the type of stimuli, the length each task, and your ability to switch and adapt between tasks for example. Maybe it's fine for 'average people', but it is making a lot of assumptions about the capability of how the testee processes information, and doesn't make any attempt to control for them (which you can't really do in a five minute test). I know there are quite a few posters who have adhd or autism, so I just wanted to warn people up front that it might be a test that you naturally suck at (you could do the test with shapes, colours, sounds, etc. and get equally poor results). Well, according to Harvard, the reason why they had 5 tests in that order are to account for things like attention span and how brains adapt to tasks. I certainly am happy to hear how these specifically wouldn't work for people with ADHD such as myself. Like, are you saying if the tests were done in the inverse way, so instead of starting with white and positive it was black and positive, etc, it would bias your results in the opposite way to whatever direction it biases it towards now?
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froglet posted:Apparently there's people out there who want to bring back unpasteurised milk. These people are the types who think 5G gives you cancer and vaccines cause autism. You can't reason with them. Also no-one is bathing in the stuff, it's just a reason for selling unpasteurised milk which people will then go and drink. There was talk a few years back (when it last came up as an issue) of putting some bitter tasting chemical in it so it couldn't be consumed. Needless to say it was not well received.
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These people hate anything to do with science. Vaccines? No. Pasteurisation? No. Spherical Earth? No. I'd say go ahead and let these loving freaks drink their poison milk, but the awful thing is that they all seem to have tons of kids to poison as well.
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Wasnt really expecting to see a Seattle Autonomous Zone in 2020 tbh
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Solemn Sloth posted:Wasnt really expecting to see a Seattle Autonomous Zone in 2020 tbh When the Elves start appearing then we know shits about to get real. And I find out I am, in fact, a spike-baby Orc.
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Oh my god this IAT talk is giving me flashbacks to writing my undergraduate thesis e: FWIW I've published research which included the IAT, the literature doesn't really rate it as a valuable tool and there's a lot of contention about how you even calculate scores. I used a specific way to actually calculate the "effect" of the IAT and (as other posters correctly identify) it really correlates a lot with working memory, as well as stuff like impulsivity (although the "error" rate would also increase with these individuals). The IAT didn't really work out anyway in my research and I'd make an argument about whether we are measuring something "implicit" or just purely accessible. Another thing to be mindful of here is the relationship between accessibility and translating that into some kind of behaviour. For example, we may be very aware of what comes to mind when someone uses the word "cracker", but does that actually have to do with behaviour? I'd always be looking at some kind of solid outcome variable in any case when interpreting the results of an IAT because again you just might be really aware/are more easily able to access certain kinds of stereotypes. Recoome fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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since people are still talking about it..Gentleman Baller posted:Well, according to Harvard, the reason why they had 5 tests in that order are to account for things like attention span and how brains adapt to tasks. I certainly am happy to hear how these specifically wouldn't work for people with ADHD such as myself. Like, are you saying if the tests were done in the inverse way, so instead of starting with white and positive it was black and positive, etc, it would bias your results in the opposite way to whatever direction it biases it towards now? For ADHD/Autism specifically, the test is designed in such a way that exaggerates perseverative errors. Like if you were on a production line with red and blue widgets and your job was to sort them into red and blue bins, if you switched the bins around you would continue to sort them as if they weren't switched. Some people can adapt to the change instantly, some after a couple of errors, and some only after a prolonged period of adjustment. The error goes in both directions because you would be putting red widgets in blue bins and blue widgets in red bins. The same issue applies to how long it takes for someone to go from 0%-100% processing speed after switching tasks. I haven't read about the test design or how the author the author tries to control for these things, but I kinda get the sense that they are trying to imply that there is a correlation between making these errors and implicit bias (which is dumb for what I think is obvious). I don't doubt there is implicit bias, It's just I am getting a bad smell about this particular test. The disclaimer by the author a few posts up, really makes it seem like the effect is small and would likely go away if you were to try to control for these problems more thoroughly.
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Murdoch streaming is actually called BINGE I thought anidav was joking lol
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Tokamak posted:since people are still talking about it.. I have no hesitation in thinking this post is a very solid assessment. I was courious if for 50% of the tests they swapped the good white / bad black order given because obviously if they are able to correct for the effect then they would be able to output an accurate assessment either way. Doing the test made me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA
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Our new app streaming service called CONSUME
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Tokamak posted:since people are still talking about it.. Classically, the IAT is the difference in reaction fine between blocks of word pairs. As a simplification, if the reaction time between the “black” block and “criminal” block is lower than “white” and “criminal”, this might indicate a bias for associating black and criminal semantically. There’s a bit more to it though. The error poo poo is actually a confounding component in a classic IAT, if someone responds quickly but makes a ton of errors, then it’s introducing unwanted noise in the data because they are just responding quickly to all stimuli. I’m perpetuating the derail but there’s no one test to detect ADHD, and I doubt an IAT, famous for producing small effects of at all, would be able to provide indication for something as nuanced as ADHD. You’d be better off doing an IQ test like the WAIS-IV and checking for significant differences between performance on verbal/spatial reasoning and working memory/processing speed.
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More News Corp Cuts https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/09/news-corp-cuts-more-jobs-this-time-at-its-metropolitan-newspapers
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a good test for ADHD is to have a partner who is not super organised but also not terribly organised to point out that you are in fact extremely forgetful, disorganised and probably should get checked for ADHD. I mean thats how I ended up with a diagnosis at 31.
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A bad year to be a casual in a media workplace. You'd almost have to be on some sort of a 'special arrangement' with management to still have a job. The jig is up Anime David, if that is your real name! Who have you been selling out to News Corpse to keep your job? Or is it the sourcing and distribution of prolapsed pony porn that Rupert craves? Well to assist you in your ongoing employment:- -/- Someone wanted to know what the pros and cons of us swapping our allegiance from the USA to China might be. Excluding direct trade relations which may be altered regardless of our stance as 'great friends'. China as main defence partner Pros Currently utterly unthinkable that we would follow China into an armed conflict. Since WW2 we have followed the US in unilateral actions in Vietnam, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again. This has been at a cost of around six hundred Australian lives directly, many more through PTSD suicide and numerous casualties that range from maiming to the afore mentioned PTSD. Australia's military budget has been highly inflated due to ANZUS and SEATO obligations since the fifties. Due to the cold war and red menace fears this posture was never seriously questioned by either side of politics. This also raises the question of what, exactly, has the US done for us recently besides significantly raising our profile as an anti-Islamic power and therefore terrorist target. China would see this as a major global diplomatic coup and would possibly shower Australia with all manner of favours. Cons Despite the extremely, and increasingly, threadbare nature of 'moral authority' afforded by the freedom and democracy of the Western powers, to choose the 'other side' is problematic. China is currently an oppressive oligarchy and our relationship with India and much of the rest of SEA would need to be carefully re-calibrated if we took such a radical step. It would seem beyond the skill of our current DFAT establishment to pull this one off. Under the Five Eyes arrangements Australia arguably gets the best intelligence material available at an enormous discount. We certainly couldn't collect and analyse the sheer volume of material that the US and the UK do. Whether the material is well analysed or passed on in a timely manner is somewhat problematic. It is hard to imagine China opening it's code books to Australia but some limited intelligence sharing must come with a formal defence partnership. Any fears and doubts we might currently harbour about the quality, timeliness or selectivity of Five Eyes intelligence would be manifold in dealing with Chinese material. It's somewhat speculative but it is not inconceivable that China currently has the most comprehensive and superior of all the intelligence services. Us getting an unbiased/unfettered look at that treasure trove would seem unlikely in the extreme. Conclusion From the above it can be clearly seen that Australia is in no position to make such a radical realignment. The hysteresis in our bureaucracies alone would make in impossible. China will continue to increase it's economic partnership with us and we will bumble along with our well worn current arrangements with the US and others. At some point China may become less Authoritarian or the US might diminish in its usefulness to the point that some arrangements are severed. Who can reliably tell the future?
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There is very little in common between China and Australia. People in Australia would not accept alliances with China.
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JBP posted:There is very little in common between China and Australia. People in Australia would not accept alliances with China. There's a bit of an issue wrt language and lit being a pretty formative deal in this stuff and China has strong traditions in both I don't see Australia adopting but also we've seen huge shifts in what an alliance entails since WW2 so I don't think it's an either/or choice
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Laserface posted:in some good-ish news, the Brumbys are being trapped and removed from Kosziousko national Park and taken to the knackery. It is sad for the horses, but it has to be done. You get some people who have romantic ideas about brumbies, but, realistically, they are pests that destroy the environment. I've yet to hear anyone given a viable alternative to catching and killing them.
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froglet posted:It is sad for the horses, but it has to be done. The first idea was shooting them from a helicopter which I am also totally fine with. I love the snowy mountains and I would rather know that the Southern Corroboree Frog lives there and never see one, than know it used to live there and never see one because of a bunch of loving horses.
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hooman posted:I think the US might also be an oppressive oligarchy. How do you think the George Floyd protests would play in the PRC, Hooman?
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