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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Those dreadful slogans come from the same process of triangulation that sunk Labour in the pre-Corbyn era. Any simple and definitive statement inevitably runs the risk of upsetting some group of voters or other and so it gets mashed around in committee until you get a suitably caveated, anodyne statement that offends nobody and inspires nobody.

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bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Vitamin P posted:

Your friend is dumb as hell, if it was left-handed or green-eyed people getting disproportionately killed by police you wouldn't expect the opposition to that to exclusively come from left-handed or green-eyed people that doesn't change because the specific arbitrary characteristic is race. White people could back BLM because they aren't identitarians and feel sympathy/concern for people of other races, they could back BLM because they have black people in their lives that they like/love and would want to be protected from potential harm, they could back BLM because racially targeted killings offends their principles of justice and equality, your friends take is loving ridiculous (unironically has extremely good IDpol praxis though).

To your question I definitely have experienced white guilt. Back in the day I was really active on progressive Tumblr performatively unlearning my whiteness and all that shite and looking back it was really negative, not in a 'push through the difficulty to emerge stronger' way but just in a 'every single thing you've achieved is because you were born white don't feel any pride in it whatsoever, the world would probably be better if you weren't born and that feeling can't be alleviated in any dependable way because any poc poster is your moral and intellectual superior no matter how dumb or cruel their take is, and oh by the way there's no actual plan or structure to any of this except you are bad'. If you're already sort of alienated and get into a toxic space like that, and you think it's the intellectually sound and morally correct framework, of course you're gonna feel an aimless sure but still really sincere guilt.

I cannot, cannot stress this enough, this man is not my friend he's just a loudmouth that lives on my street. Also thank you for your answer, it was interesting. And thanks to you Pesky and baka. This is a very good forum to get answers from.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



OwlFancier posted:

I mean... it suggests that your gender and your physical sex are completely unrelated which while I'm sure terfs can gently caress it up seems like a pretty strong understanding of the difference between sex and gender which she performatively refuses to understand at every other opportunity.

If Hermione hosed while polyjuiced as Harry, could she get someone pregnant? And if so would the real Harry be the biological father? These are the issues that Fantastic Beasts 3-5 need to tackle (also Dumbledore might work up the courage to kiss a man by the last film).

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Pistol_Pete posted:

Those dreadful slogans come from the same process of triangulation that sunk Labour in the pre-Corbyn era. Any simple and definitive statement inevitably runs the risk of upsetting some group of voters or other and so it gets mashed around in committee until you get a suitably caveated, anodyne statement that offends nobody and inspires nobody.

"I like 'controls on immigration', that's a nice safe slogan. It pleases everyone. The racists who want extreme controls. And the nice sensible people who want sensible controls. I mean, (patronising chuckle), nobody's actually saying, 'no controls on immigration', are they."

People:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Who wants a twitter thread in which ronyaposts collide with a further maths textbook?

Too bad:
https://twitter.com/virgil_30/status/1270791101989957637

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

Randomly discovered the German's Black Book which was a list of British residents that the Nazi's wanted to arrest following a successful invasion.

One thing caught my eye re this thread:

quote:

On 14 September 1945, The Guardian reported that the booklet had been discovered in the Berlin headquarters of the Reich Security Police (Reich Main Security Office).[6]
When told the previous day that they were on the Gestapo's list, Lady Astor ("enemy of Germany") said "It is the complete answer to the terrible lie that the so-called 'Cliveden Set' was pro-Fascist", while Lord Vansittart said "The German black-list might indicate to some of those who now find themselves on it that their views, divergent from mine, were somewhat misplaced. Perhaps it will be an eye-opener to them", and the cartoonist David Low said "That is all right. I had them on my list too."[19]

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Guavanaut posted:

Who wants a twitter thread in which ronyaposts collide with a further maths textbook?

Too bad:
https://twitter.com/virgil_30/status/1270791101989957637




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpcYAvvYLFI

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
seems he said a bunch of racist slurs as well

https://twitter.com/hansmollman/status/1270990632882974720?s=20

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Endorph posted:

wait, hold on. ralph? dude cant even remember the names of her characters

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
this isn't really surprising but still loving hell

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1270994515374080000?s=20

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Guavanaut posted:

Who wants a twitter thread in which ronyaposts collide with a further maths textbook?

Too bad:
https://twitter.com/virgil_30/status/1270791101989957637



Welp, finally found my kink

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



Cantor's Leaky Big Tent sounds positively filthy!

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!


I mean, he could have laughed it off as a joke, like that time Denholm Reynholm referred to the A-Team as "Bodie! Doyle! Tiger! The Jewellery Man!"

But that would be something a comedy writer might do. Not a very serious activist like him. No sir. No writing of comedic things here.

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
Yikes I just had the weirdest thing happen. This was on the sidebar



Then when I went back to the page after visiting imgur it says this:



It actually refreshed just that trending box and none of the others. What on earth.

pitch a fitness
Mar 19, 2010

It's my birthday today, and I'm 33!

That can only mean one thing... BRING IT IN GUYS!!!

*JK Rowling, who is Harry, Hermione, Ralph, Dumbledore and everyone else come in for a HUGE meltdown*

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lmao

https://twitter.com/Sarah_Woolley/status/1271008488907509761?s=20

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

VideoGames posted:

Yikes I just had the weirdest thing happen. This was on the sidebar



Then when I went back to the page after visiting imgur it says this:



It actually refreshed just that trending box and none of the others. What on earth.

Looks the same to me :confused:

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Design fail:

https://twitter.com/DaveCatsDave/status/1270725629621592066?s=20

The red highlight almost 'disappears' the top 3 lines into the background and so we're left with a not-very-flattering take on Starmer. I wonder if it was deliberate? Subtle sabotage of the new Labour leader perhaps? Or just incompetence?

From Labour instagram account.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBQOg5gI4Ob/

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1270998047892307968?s=20

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

"Hitler Youth" trending is probably because of the Baden-Powell statue getting taken down. Google auto-corrects it from "scouts"

Ataxerxes
Dec 2, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?

Prince John posted:

Randomly discovered the German's Black Book which was a list of British residents that the Nazi's wanted to arrest following a successful invasion.


The best one was the fellow who did the Lambeth Walk parody movie and really, really pissed off some high ranking nazis.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
https://twitter.com/jewdas/status/1270691243627077633

Ataxerxes posted:

The best one was the fellow who did the Lambeth Walk parody movie and really, really pissed off some high ranking nazis.
youtube poops ain't nothing new
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYdmk3GP3iM

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

ah yes the nutjob market-fundamentalist oncologist, or in the vernacular of three months ago "an armchair epidemiologist"

e: wow he's been at this for years

https://twitter.com/RussellEngland/status/1271014304389701632?s=20

XMNN fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Jun 11, 2020

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

XMNN posted:

ah yes the nutjob market-fundamentalist oncologist, or in the vernacular of three months ago "an armchair epidemiologist"

yeah some good background on him here

https://www.farrightwatch.net/2020/06/the-right-wings-favourite-crazy.html

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

I'm #NeverCorbyn in June 2020

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
he did get to pick his own staff after being leader right

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1270984656465338368?s=20

Skilbs
Jul 20, 2006


Camrath posted:


Fudge orders are being shipped out today!


My fudge just arrived. It is really good, I wish I ordered more. Thanks Camrath!


George is not interested in Fudge. He is just trying to sleep but it is too bright in here.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

I can see how you might get statues and comedians into boxcars to be shipped into extermination camps, but private schools? That's no easy feat

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://twitter.com/GayLaVie/status/1270770388885221380?s=20


Ed: this one made me laugh and for some reason think of this thread:

https://twitter.com/alexalexa94/status/1270907768967487488?s=20


Ed2: Interesting piece on Peter Minshall, the Trinidadian guy who invented them:

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/inflatable-men/

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jun 11, 2020

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Skilbs posted:

My fudge just arrived. It is really good, I wish I ordered more. Thanks Camrath!


George is not interested in Fudge. He is just trying to sleep but it is too bright in here.

is that a fox?

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Skilbs posted:

My fudge just arrived. It is really good, I wish I ordered more. Thanks Camrath!


George is not interested in Fudge. He is just trying to sleep but it is too bright in here.

Traditionally people get a cat to go inside their fluff, but I totally understand why you just went with the fluff.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
this david graeber article i got linked on twitter really does get it spot on

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/01/13/the-center-blows-itself-up-care-and-spite-in-the-brexit-election/

quote:

Most sitting Labour MPs had begun as Labour youth activists themselves, just as most centrist political journalists had begun their careers as leftists, even revolutionaries, of one sort or another. But they had also risen through the ranks of Blair’s machine at a time when advancement was largely based on willingness to sacrifice one’s youthful ideals. They had become the very people they would have once despised as sell-outs.

Insofar as they dreamed of anything, now, it was of finding some British equivalent of Barack Obama, a leader who looked and acted so much like a visionary, who had so perfected the gestures and intonations, that it never occurred to anyone to ask what that vision actually was (since the vision was, precisely, not to have a vision). Suddenly, they found themselves saddled with a scruffy teetotaling vegan who said exactly what he really thought, and inspired a new generation of activists to dream of changing the world. If those activists were not naive, if this man was not unelectable, the centrists’ entire lives had been a lie. They hadn’t really accepted reality at all. They really were just sellouts.

One could even go further: the most passionate opposition to Corbynism came from men and women in their forties, fifties, and sixties. They represented the last generation in which any significant number of young radicals even had the option of selling out, in the sense of becoming secure property-owning bastions of the status quo. Not only had that door closed behind them; they were the ones largely responsible for having closed it. They were, for instance, products of what was once the finest free higher education system in the world—having attended schools like Oxford and Cambridge plush with generous state-provided stipends—who had decided their own children and grandchildren would be better off attending university while moonlighting as baristas or sex workers, then starting their professional lives weighted by tens of thousands of pounds in student debt. If the Corbynistas were right, and none of this had really been necessary, were these politicians not guilty of historic crimes? It’s hard to understand the bizarre obsession with the idea that left Labour youth groups like Momentum—about the most mild-mannered batch of revolutionaries one could imagine—would somehow end up marching them all off to the gulag, without the possibility that in the back of their minds, many secretly suspected that show trials might not be entirely inappropriate.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I can confirm as Dean Martin of Chemistry at Imperial College London* that all the people killed in the 7/7 bombings would have died at some future point eventually anyway, and therefore they were, and I use the clinical term here, no big deal.

*by which I mean I visited their chem department for an open day once

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol he's already apologised for it

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1271024284887105536?s=20

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.


Well, at least it's not all bad:

quote:

He was one of three doctors that enabled Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi to be released, after obtaining a diagnosis of imminent terminal cancer. The services were paid for by the Libyan Government. Sikora gave him three months to live ... whereupon al-Megrahi recovered in miraculous fashion, living on for several years.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004



Well how was he to know his own words would be used against him.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
lol

also highlight of the office zoom meeting was them deciding that if the government reduce the distance to 1 m everyone can come back in and work from the office because they miss the feeling of being part of a team and "all the ideas you get from talking to people" and face to face meetings

why wait until the government changes one part of the advice if you're ignoring the other bit about working from home if you can, just do whatever the gently caress you want like you were going to do anyway

these people are honestly loving deranged

also I'm well pissed off at the MPs/businesses pushing for this poo poo too

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Jose posted:

he did get to pick his own staff after being leader right

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1270984656465338368?s=20
Am I wrong to find the phrase ‘anti-black racism’ a bit weird? Like, is it implying that anti-white racism is an alternative, or is it just excluding other forms of racism for some reason (and implying they’re not as important)?

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Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Someone keeps linking guido loving fawkes in a group chat jfc

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