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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

thespaceinvader posted:

I wonder if that council is a conservative one? It sounds like exactly the kind of thing a canny publicist would do to fan the flames of the debate and energise their base - make a veiled threat about someone much more widely known and much more widely regarded as part of a good movement than a slaver who was honestly barely known outside of Bristol, and Rhodes.

I may be being paranoid, but if nobody has actually moved to remove the statue except the councilitself, it... seems likely.



Yes tory council (Bournemouth Christchurch & Poole).
Police have denied suggesting they remove it.

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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

justcola posted:

I've been having a whale of a time in the last week or so as turns out that most of the people I know are either scumbags or cowards, but rather than the whole discussing issues and trying to find common ground I've just been telling people to get to gently caress, we should be tearing down Churchill's statue and WW2 wasn't that good actually. I like it when they accuse me of being a guardian reader or voting for Keir Starmer as those things are probably closer to their political outlooks than mine.

"You're one of those left-liberals!" - well, which is it, you have to choose

After a short 4.5 year hiatus, we are back in "your beloved Labour" being the nonsense cry in response to any criticism of the status quo

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

bessantj posted:

BLM march in Newport is going well. For some reason a biker group had decided to defend the cenotaph despite the march going nowhere near it.

haven't they got jobs to go to? disgraceful that the state will fund their lifestyle of hanging around town centres looking for trouble.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



I have a sneaking suspicion my business school is going to be renamed.

https://www.cass.city.ac.uk/news-an...the-slave-trade

Pleased to see that they were already looking into his links with the slave trade in February at least.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

kingturnip posted:

A) utterly unrelated to their day-to-day lives; and
B) none of their loving business

lots of foreign policy doesn't really impact your day to day life but idk how you can consider yourself on the left and not be informed about it

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
LBC have apparently terminated Farage with immediate effect.

Ed: found a tweet that isn't a tweet of a tweet of a tweet
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1271070525994008578?s=20

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Rustybear posted:

haven't they got jobs to go to? disgraceful that the state will fund their lifestyle of hanging around town centres looking for trouble.

They're there to spread the rona by the look of their maskless/kissing distance faces.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

LBC have apparently terminated Farage with immediate effect.

I hope they mean literally.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



gh0stpinballa posted:

lots of foreign policy doesn't really impact your day to day life but idk how you can consider yourself on the left and not be informed about it

I think the difference is that these people's goals basically just involve doing harm and taking rights away from people who just want to get on with their lives.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

LBC have apparently terminated Farage with immediate effect.

Ed: found a tweet that isn't a tweet of a tweet of a tweet
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1271070525994008578?s=20

Sounds more like they cut his pay and he decided to leave than they didn't want to renew his contract, from the tone of that tweet.

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

LBC have apparently terminated Farage with immediate effect.

Ed: found a tweet that isn't a tweet of a tweet of a tweet
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1271070525994008578?s=20

bit of a weird decision if they're also simultaneously going to keep nick ferrari. good riddance and that anyway

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Yeah that sounds incredibly amicable. Shame.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

stev posted:

Yeah that sounds incredibly amicable. Shame.

Not sure about that. I quit a job once in an acrimonious fashion and that is very similar to the reference I got!
"She left of her own accord and we wish her all the best in the future". Obviously done with gritted teeth. I forgot to add the 'we thank her for all her hard work' that they also put.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Not sure about that. I quit a job once in an acrimonious fashion and that is very similar to the reference I got!
"She left of her own accord and we wish her all the best in the future". Obviously done with gritted teeth.

It's the "we thank him for his enormous contribution" bit that grates.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
In the manner of someone congratulating a child who is pointing to their potty.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

He's an enormous contribution

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Regarde Aduck posted:

To be the tiniest bit fair to someone that doesn't deserve fairness: The google/apple apps used elsewhere in the world are apparently not fit for purpose and almost useless. Now that doesn't mean our bodgejob that seems like its mainly for scraping personal data is going to be any better of course.

no idea about the apps, but I think Boris' claim was specifically about the phone and notepad contact tracers employed by serco

also more fash poo poo

https://twitter.com/JEGullis/status/1271064840300265472?s=20

as they were so keen to point out vandalism is already criminal damage, and pissing on them is indecency or whatever (some guy in Sheffield famously got done for it a few years ago)

also assuming they try and introduce something like this bill it's very openly worded

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmbills/060/10060.i-i.html


quote:

1       

Interpretation

In this Act—

“war memorial” means any physical object created, erected or installed to

commemorate those involved in or affected by a conflict or war,

including civilians and animals;

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“desecrates” means an act of disrespect including spitting, urination or

defecation.

2       

Amendments to the Criminal Damage Act 1971

(1)   

After section 1(1) of the Criminal Damage Act 1971 there is inserted—

“(1A)   

A person who without lawful excuse destroys, damages or desecrates

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a war memorial shall be guilty of an offence.”.

(2)   

After section 4(1) of the Criminal Damage Act 1971 there is inserted—

“(1A)   

A person guilty of an offence under section 1(1A) is liable—

(a)   

on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not

exceeding six months, or to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the

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standard scale, or to both,

(b)   

on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not

exceeding ten years, or to a fine, or to both.”.

3       

Short title, commencement and extent

(1)   

This Act may be cited as the Desecration of War Memorials Act 2010.

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the definition of war memorial would cover anything commemorating any being for any reason, because who isn't affected by conflict or war and it doesn't specify that the commemoration must be explicitly wrt involvement in the war/conflict

an "act of disrespect" could mean anything. turning your back on it, not taking your hat off, making fun of a particularly dopy looking engraving, failing to bow at a sufficient angle, wearing something that's not a donkey jacket but the media said it was etc

flicking the Vs at a bust of Thatcher could get you 10 years inside

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

LBC have apparently terminated Farage with immediate effect.

Ed: found a tweet that isn't a tweet of a tweet of a tweet
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1271070525994008578?s=20

As gets brought up a lot with that person in the Rowling saga, not renewing someone's contract is not the same thing as firing them.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

XMNN posted:

no idea about the apps, but I think Boris' claim was specifically about the phone and notepad contact tracers employed by serco

also more fash poo poo

https://twitter.com/JEGullis/status/1271064840300265472?s=20

as they were so keen to point out vandalism is already criminal damage, and pissing on them is indecency or whatever (some guy in Sheffield famously got done for it a few years ago)

also assuming they try and introduce something like this bill it's very openly worded

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmbills/060/10060.i-i.html


the definition of war memorial would cover anything commemorating any being for any reason, because who isn't affected by conflict or war and it doesn't specify that the commemoration must be explicitly wrt involvement in the war/conflict

an "act of disrespect" could mean anything. turning your back on it, not taking your hat off, making fun of a particularly dopy looking engraving, failing to bow at a sufficient angle, wearing something that's not a donkey jacket but the media said it was etc

flicking the Vs at a bust of Thatcher could get you 10 years inside

I am really regretting clicking through on those comments. Just a boiling cesspit of hate.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Pistol_Pete posted:

I just checked out Reddit's r/Ukpolitics sub and it's fragile white male central lol. Today they are extremely exercised about the wanton erasure of English history (statues) and beloved tv shows being cruelly removed from the listings (Little Britain).

I don't know why I was surprised but I kinda thought it might be a bigger version of this thread for some reason.

ukpolitics sub is quite rightwing at the best of times, and most of the mods are at the very least conservative, if not in the Farage camp.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

XMNN posted:

more fash poo poo

"what if... we made this crime a crime"

Looking forward to doing time in 2021 for not wearing a poppy on the correct lapel

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/HKesvani/status/1271081410867146752?s=20

Disgust and shame on the nation.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

my lib colleague has bought white fragility and asked me if i read it and what i thought. i didn't have the heart to tell her all that kind of poo poo is embarrassing garbage and totally useless. i think that's why this kind of weirdo cultist stuff spreads, because its difficult to be mean to your lib friend when they mean well.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Eagerly awaiting the bigbrain thinkpiece on why smashing the Nazi nonce statue is good, actually

Wachter fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jun 11, 2020

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

gh0stpinballa posted:

my lib colleague has bought white fragility and asked me if i read it and what i thought. i didn't have the heart to tell her all that kind of poo poo is embarrassing garbage and totally useless. i think that's why this kind of weirdo cultist stuff spreads, because its difficult to be mean to your lib friend when they mean well.

I'm not too sure how I feel about self-help books on how to not be a racist rocketing to the top of the Amazon charts like a best-of album of a musician who's just killed themself

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race and Akala's Natives are both up there, and neither of those are self help for white guilt type books, so maybe it's not all bad.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Wachter posted:

I'm not too sure how I feel about self-help books on how to not be a racist rocketing to the top of the Amazon charts like a best-of album of a musician who's just killed themself

At least the people buying them don't want to be racists, or want someone else to not be racist.

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



quote:

Harry Enfield says blacking up as Mandela was 'so wrong it was right'

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jun/11/harry-enfield-defends-use-of-blackface-today-programme-nick-robinson

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

That was a bad joke phrased poorly; I'm referring to the vampiric phenomenon of Bezos profiting from tragic death

Rustybear
Nov 16, 2006
what the thunder said

the legislative equivalent of the queue to have your photo taken holding a sponge next to the Churchill statue

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


O.K.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hStdHa3HgwQ

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Funny how no-one in the media ever asks these fash cunts about all the homeless veterans their policies have left on the streets

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

XMNN posted:


the definition of war memorial would cover anything commemorating any being for any reason, because who isn't affected by conflict or war and it doesn't specify that the commemoration must be explicitly wrt involvement in the war/conflict

an "act of disrespect" could mean anything. turning your back on it, not taking your hat off, making fun of a particularly dopy looking engraving, failing to bow at a sufficient angle, wearing something that's not a donkey jacket but the media said it was etc

flicking the Vs at a bust of Thatcher could get you 10 years inside

They've just set this law up to protect that Churchill statue ey? I hope nothing happens to it before the 23rd of June

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

justcola posted:

They've just set this law up to protect that Churchill statue ey? I hope nothing happens to it before the 23rd of June

I couldn't find the text of the actual bill they're introducing (although I didn't look very hard), that one was from 10 years ago and presumably never became law but I can't imagine they'll put much thought into whatever they poo poo out this time

also it looks like trying to get a law to prevent desecration of war memorials is a perennial tory pastime because there were stories from a bunch of different years about it. It's a shame they weren't successful in passing these extremely necessary protections because now there are none left to protect :(

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I always thought the Harry Potter SPEW was a pisstake of the ineffectual Socialist Party England and Wales

joedevola
Sep 11, 2004

worst song, played on ugliest guitar
The entire statue discussion is useful to both sides.

Reactionaries can get their blood pumping fantasizing about fending off antifa degenerates from Churchill and milquetoast liberals can latch on to something that doesn't, in practical terms, matter.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1271075607955288064

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
An affirmative statement of

Guavanaut posted:

"minorities can be racist too."

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.



The replies to that tweet reminded me that Louise Mensch exists. What a blast from the past.

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Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral


a heartwarming story of a community coming together to defend are national history and culture by protecting a statue that was put up twelve years ago. the Stanley statue in Denbigh is less than 10 years old as well, what the hell :psyduck:

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