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Guavanaut posted:In the context of the 2020s most of the people who are mad about it just thought it was funny that the bad words were in a scene, and seem to have missed the point why. Also some white people reeeeally want to be able to say those words, like really want to, to the point of obsession, not even necessarily as directed slurs but presumably for the perverse transgressive thrill of it, and get super angry when they're told "no", especially when black people are allowed to say them
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The Fawlty Towers episode also has a subplot of Sybil being in Hospital and the Doctor is black and yeah, more Racism.
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Prince John posted:People are really over-analysing Harry Potter in their haste to gotcha JK Rowling over the last few days ITT. Who cares? "I don't even care about Harry Potter, but here's my TED talk about the mechanism of the sorting hat", very convincing Tarnop fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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Bojo... expressed opinions unsuitable to us today? Like calling my family picanninies? Watermelon smiles? Keeeeyunt.
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The Sun has form for giving domestic abusers a platform. The Editor gave Rebekah Brooks a column to explain how she totally didn't do the things that her ex-partner was accusing her of. The Editor in question being Rebekah Brooks herself.
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I made the Phrenology Hat joke after someone made another joke about the hat being an old mad racist. I wasn't seriously suggesting that Rowling intended the hat to be a stand-in for a set of calipers. With that said, death of the author, etc., and the concept of "sorting" kids by brain scan is loving weird and problematic and pretty relevant to Rowling's recent online shithousing, and realising that to be the case doesn't require any special, obsessive exegesis imo
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XMNN posted:somehow the "statues are literally the only thing that teaches about history and definitely don't glorify their subjects, apart from the Churchill one which does glorify him because he's great" canard is even more offensive coming from a guy who could, idk, make sure all these things are taught in schools so we don't have to have laudatory statues of slave owners to remind us that they existed  https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/18/britain-destroyed-records-colonial-crimes Wachter posted:Also some white people reeeeally want to be able to say those words, like really want to, to the point of obsession, not even necessarily as directed slurs but presumably for the perverse transgressive thrill of it, and get super angry when they're told "no", especially when black people are allowed to say them
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Just out of curiosity: do we have to wait for the racists to be made into statues before we throw them into the harbour?
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Just catching up with the thread, i in no way support the sun over that front page. It's disgusting on many levels not least the fact it will be retraumatising a bunch of abuse victims for little more than ammunition in this bloodsport they're running with trying to be the frontline dispatch to the culture war. And god knows after the last few days I owe Rowling nothing but I'm also really sad that they've done that to her. Nobody, no matter how we feel about them, deserves that kind of treatment.
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Jedit posted:Just out of curiosity: do we have to wait for the racists to be made into statues before we throw them into the harbour? Someone needs to hurry up and invent carbonite freezing and then we can really streamline the process
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Aside from the obvious stuidity of the erasing history argument, I loving hate the bullshit moral relativism of 'oh well everyone was a rascist imperialist shithead back then, please don't judge the man i continue to idolise for his life's work' There have always contempoary criticisms of lovely colonialist actions, mainly originating from the people being hurt by said actions, so it's not like shitheads like Colston and Churchill never had to consider the fact that their actions were hurting and killing thousands of people. They just didn't give a poo poo.
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Isomermaid posted:Just catching up with the thread, i in no way support the sun over that front page. It's disgusting on many levels not least the fact it will be retraumatising a bunch of abuse victims for little more than ammunition in this bloodsport they're running with trying to be the frontline dispatch to the culture war. Yeah I think this is the thing, nobody in this thread holds any love for Rowling because she's a horrible person who's actively using her celeb status to impact the lives of trans people, but abuse is abuse is abuse, and it's unacceptable always. The fact that the Sun can get away with spotlighting abusers like that is actually pretty hosed up though, and I hope Rowling lawyers up and goes at them for it.
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JustaDamnFool posted:mainly originating from the people being hurt by said actions 
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The Perfect Element posted:Feeling a bit depressed this morning about the kind of world my daughter's going to inherit when she's older (this may or may not be related to the fact I drunk way too much Talisker last night). I swing between feeling like that and feeling pretty loving good all things considered. On an international level, infant mortality is getting better and on an upward trend, as is poverty, as is access to water, education and justice. Diseases such as HIV, tuberculosis and others are on the decline. The shift of economic power is becoming less American-centric and more distributed to countries across the world. I think things can seem a bit bleaker for us in the constant stream of bad news lasered into our eyes, but its much better to be born in a developing country now than it has been for thousands of years. The energy and direction that protests have been taken recently have also been invigorating. I feel for the last 5 years or so its almost felt inevitable that things are just getting worse and worse, but from whats happening in Minneapolis with police reforms to finally toppling a statue that people have been fighting decades to do - it shows that people still have power. Although each of us may feel alone and sort of helpless in the face of fascism, together we can still make a difference and it doesnt really matter what the media or politicians or authority says as everyone has become disillusioned with it. We can keep the momentum going and change is coming. But also look after yourself. A week off the forums and any news was very healthy for me.
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A triptych, title "A Day's Work":  https://twitter.com/pfoa_uk/status/1270400989883924484 first tweet taken down 
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Guavanaut posted:first tweet taken down
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Despite the obvious fuckup, the tone of that image appears to be that it's fine to beat up coppers?
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Wachter posted:Despite the obvious fuckup, the tone of that image appears to be that it's fine to beat up coppers? If you're a horse or a traffic light, sure
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Wachter posted:Despite the obvious fuckup, the tone of that image appears to be that it's fine to beat up coppers? I think it's meant to evoke sympathy - i.e. the police are risking themselves against those eeeevil brutal protestors in order to Protect Your Interests. But it does just make them seem kind of incompetent to me given how many facial injuries have occurred to people wearing full face riot helmets.
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So we're a month on from "Stay Alert" and almost 2 weeks from schools reopening. Daily new coronavirus cases are still trending downwards. Have we dodged a bullet? Or is the worst to come a fortnight away with the possible reopening of shops on Monday?thespaceinvader posted:I think it's meant to evoke sympathy - i.e. the police are risking themselves against those eeeevil brutal protestors in order to Protect Your Interests. That and the fact that 33% of the depicted injuries are self-inflicted
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Generally I've heard "X is all in a day's work" used to mean "X is hard but I'm OK with it"
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XMNN posted:I was going to blame google translate and me being too lazy to try to transliterate it myself, but it looks like actual greeks are to blame (as always) yeah mp is how b is written a lot in greek beta is pronounced as a v iirc, which is common, a lot of languages b is pronounced v so like taverna is spelt with a b as taberna
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Tarnop posted:So we're a month on from "Stay Alert" and almost 2 weeks from schools reopening. Daily new coronavirus cases are still trending downwards. Have we dodged a bullet? Or is the worst to come a fortnight away with the possible reopening of shops on Monday? cases are meaningless, deaths are the only decent indicator and they lag from anywhere up to 8 weeks
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haakman posted:Bojo... expressed opinions unsuitable to us today? quote:The spokesman also made plain that while Johnson had referred to Churchill’s “unacceptable” opinions, the PM had no plans to apologise for his own previous racially charged comments, such as describing veiled Muslim women as “letterboxes” and “bankrobbers”, and writing about African people’s “watermelon smiles”.
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Tarnop posted:Have we dodged a bullet? Or is the worst to come a fortnight away with the possible reopening of shops on Monday? Communist Thoughts posted:beta is pronounced as a v iirc, which is common, a lot of languages b is pronounced v
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Apraxin posted:no actually, that's cool and good: yeah hes an outspoken racist thats why hes popular in the UK you know what they say, the best way to fight racism is with a technocratic spook with a hairdo
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Communist Thoughts posted:you know what they say, the best way to fight racism is with a technocratic spook with a hairdo But Rory Stewart is nowhere to be found?!
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Communist Thoughts posted:you know what they say, the best way to fight racism is with a technocratic spook with a hairdo
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Communist Thoughts posted:cases are meaningless, deaths are the only decent indicator and they lag from anywhere up to 8 weeks We'll start to see increased hospital admissions before then, presumably? Lots of US states are seeing spikes in cases 2 weeks after reopening. Is their testing situation markedly better than ours? I'd have thought they'd be as keen as our lot to use limitations on testing to manipulate case figures if they could.
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baka kaba posted:epic bee best
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Tarnop posted:So we're a month on from "Stay Alert" and almost 2 weeks from schools reopening. Daily new coronavirus cases are still trending downwards. Have we dodged a bullet? Or is the worst to come a fortnight away with the possible reopening of shops on Monday? The problem is disease modelling is more complicated than a spike two weeks after reopening. Lets say we start with 100 people who are infected re-entering the population. 10% of the population have had COVID-19 at this stage so lets hugely simplify the numbers and say that there is a two week period for people to show symptoms and the number of infected double every 3 days. No action is taken during this time to slow stuff down. This is a massive oversimplification by the way. Day 1: 100 infected/0 detected Day 4: 200 infected/0 detected Day 7: 400 infected/0 detected Day 11: 800 infected/0 detected Day 14: 1,600 infected/100 detected Day 17: 3,200 infected/200 detected Day 21: 6,400 infected/400 detected Day 24: 12,800 infected/800 detected Day 27: 25,600 infected/1,600 detected Day 30: 51,200 infected/3,200 detected Day 33: 102,400 infected/6,400 detected Day 36: 204,800 infected/12,800 detected Day 39: 409,600 infected/25,600 detected Day 42: 819,200 infected/51,200 detected Day 45: 1,638,400 infected/102,400 detected So things will look fine for weeks if we had it nearly under control, the problem is those numbers start to creep back up and the potentially long asymptomatic time means you are actually way worse off than you currently appear. Look at the difference in numbers of infected in engaging controls on day 27 vs Day 33. The 24 hour news cycle is extremely bad at explaining this, because its a story that occurs over weeks, not day to day.
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A good explanation, thank you!
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