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like, how does stux not realize it is Naughty Dog themselves cynically exploiting the “doesthedogdie.com” hand-wringers by emphasizing the dog-killing in both their pre-release marketing/interviews and in-game cutscenes according to the polygon review? THEYRE the ones giving emphasis to dog killing, stux; people itt are responding to the conversation THEY insisted upon
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dogs are good boys and girls while tlou teaches us that humans are terrible monsters
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Jun 12, 2020 19:31
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Danger posted:What I object to is that it's inherently bad writing and on it's face making the player feel uncomfortable is saying something. But you are right, I have no idea the context of that scene. Just saying it's bad on it's face because of technical reasons is really reductive. Like, yes they could have had you choose not to kill the dog but they didn't and they made you feel uncomfortable about being forced to do so. That's not a meaningless gesture and, as you say, it is by design. They designed it in a way that many people feel is stupid, and those people are reacting to that by saying as much. You can make an artistic statement that falls flat on its face. The fact that it's "art" doesn't mean you can't gently caress it up. They tried something, and it didn't work. It's not hurting the Artistic Integrity Of Gaming to say that.
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Jun 12, 2020 19:32
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Neil Druckmann: anyway we make you kill dogs in this game... it’s really grisly; we watched a lot of reference videos to get the viscera gleaming just right. It’s gonna make you feel like poo poo when you do it, haha ; we put in so much effort, in this dog killing. “Do you feel like a hero yet?” Haha I just came up with that myself, anyway thanks for the interview Stux: why do people in this thread talk about dogs so much
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Jun 12, 2020 19:33
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Bonaventure posted:like, how does stux not realize it is Naughty Dog themselves cynically exploiting the “doesthedogdie.com” hand-wringers by emphasizing the dog-killing in both their pre-release marketing/interviews and in-game cutscenes according to the polygon review? think about this for 2 seconds Crappy Jack posted:They designed it in a way that many people feel is stupid, and those people are reacting to that by saying as much. You can make an artistic statement that falls flat on its face. The fact that it's "art" doesn't mean you can't gently caress it up. They tried something, and it didn't work. It's not hurting the Artistic Integrity Of Gaming to say that. most of the people who feel its stupid also havnt played the game makes you think
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Stux posted:think about this for 2 seconds ok I did it
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Jun 12, 2020 19:36
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Stux posted:most of the people who feel its stupid also havnt played the game makes you think Most of the people who feel it's smart haven't played the game either. I am Neil Druckman, and I have made A Point.
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Jun 12, 2020 19:38
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Bonaventure posted:Neil Druckmann: anyway we make you kill dogs in this game... it’s really grisly; we watched a lot of reference videos to get the viscera gleaming just right. It’s gonna make you feel like poo poo when you do it, haha ; we put in so much effort, in this dog killing. “Do you feel like a hero yet?” Haha I just came up with that myself, anyway thanks for the interview Neil Druckmann: "i personally went out and adopted several dogs and puppies from a kennel and than put mocap suits on them and killed them in graphic ways with guns and poo poo lying around my shed at my lake house and by god i took my time with each one so we could get every nail every hammer/brick blow and yelp/scream correctly and i was rock hard the whole time but it was because i wanted the player to EXPERIENCE it and understand why mike vick was bad man and why hurting dogs is wrong. Now watch this drive" Stux: "whats death?" Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jun 12, 2020 |
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Jun 12, 2020 19:43
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you're not allowed to criticize what you've seen until you purchase copies for yourself and all your friends
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Crappy Jack posted:Most of the people who feel it's smart haven't played the game either. I am Neil Druckman, and I have made A Point. 96 on metacritic so far so it seems like out of all the people that have played it the overwhelming consensus is the game is good op
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Jun 12, 2020 19:50
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Now watch this drive Neil why does your golf ball have Joel’s face painted on it
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Stux posted:96 on metacritic so far so it seems like out of all the people that have played it the overwhelming consensus is the game is good op lmao
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Jun 12, 2020 19:52
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Bonaventure posted:Neil why does your golf ball have Joel’s face painted on it Neil Druckmann: "because its a symbol for alot of things. sometimes its through somone's eye, sometimes its going through a puppy's soft spot. but you have to think of deeper meanings behind it."
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Jun 12, 2020 19:57
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gently caress, you're right, you pulled out Metacritic reviews for a highly anticipated game from a week before release, I'm objectively cucked.
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So Neil, who's your dog ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfsQaeIYWoY
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Crappy Jack posted:gently caress, you're right, you pulled out Metacritic reviews for a highly anticipated game from a week before release, I'm objectively cucked. TBH that one review where they said they didn’t care about the first game, didn’t care about the second, then came around to thinking it’s one of the best games ever made while playing it for the review does make it seem like there’s at least something to get out of it.
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Dewgy posted:TBH that one review where they said they didn’t care about the first game, didn’t care about the second, then came around to thinking it’s one of the best games ever made while playing it for the review does make it seem like there’s at least something to get out of it. yeah, advance review copies of games so they can keep eating
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Dewgy posted:TBH that one review where they said they didn’t care about the first game, didn’t care about the second, then came around to thinking it’s one of the best games ever made while playing it for the review does make it seem like there’s at least something to get out of it. There absolutely will be something to get out of it. Unless I've been massively misreading this thread, nobody's been saying the entire game is Objectively Bad and has nothing to say, the discussion has been about one specific element of the game, which many people seem to feel is subjectively bad, and has nothing to say.
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Dewgy posted:TBH that one review where they said they didn’t care about the first game, didn’t care about the second, then came around to thinking it’s one of the best games ever made while playing it for the review does make it seem like there’s at least something to get out of it. paid shills no one can enjoy this i already decided its bad qed
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Jun 12, 2020 20:03
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:yeah, advance review copies of games 
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Stux posted:paid shills no one can enjoy this i already decided its bad qed thank god you guys are finally getting it also the actual point is we still don't really know what the game will be, I don't think anyone who had an opinion before today actually changed it, so it's more fun to just make fun of all of it while we still have to wait and see. holding up metacritic of all things as proof that it's actually a good game is just the most lol poo poo my dude
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Jun 12, 2020 20:11
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looks like its good op sorry, the paid reviews thing was already debunked so those are real opinions and theyre all saying: this game slaps
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Jun 12, 2020 20:37
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how can it not be good? comicbook.com, PlayStation Universe AND Playstation Lifestyle all gave it a perfect score, how could you not trust their opinions?
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Jun 12, 2020 20:41
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:thank god you guys are finally getting it I dunno man I canceled my pre order after the leak but restarted it today after reading the review from my trusted video gaming review website. I’ve enjoyed a lot of games in spite of the bad story, like God of War. I usually skip most cutscenes any way so it doesn’t really matter.
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Jun 12, 2020 20:46
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CharlestonJew posted:how can it not be good? comicbook.com gave it a perfect score Yeah but Polygon didn't like the game so y'know... it might actually be decent?
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Jun 12, 2020 20:50
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Wait, was that "you see a flashback with the dog you killed" real or satire, i can't tell anymore
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Jun 12, 2020 20:55
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Wait, was that "you see a flashback with the dog you killed" real or satire, i can't tell anymore I thought it was satire but I read the article and it's real, amazingly enough
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It’s probably not something that happens at the same time even if the article phrases it like “shoot dog, relive dog memories” like how it worked with the conspiracy guys in Prototype.
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Jun 12, 2020 20:59
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:Yeah but Polygon didn't like the game so y'know... it might actually be decent? paste liked it, polygon didnt, kotaku was mixed and waypoint didnt like it. id again have to play the game to know if i agree with any of them. but my guess is i will sorta agree with some of what they say and probably some of their core criques but i'll possibly enjoy it because i like misery porn
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Dewgy posted:It’s probably not something that happens at the same time even if the article phrases it like “shoot dog, relive dog memories” like how it worked with the conspiracy guys in Prototype. my guess is the dog belongs to laura baily character and you hang out with the dog at points in the game as a puppy and older and than when your ellie you bash its head in at some point. which makes laura baily go senator Armstrong on your rear end.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:my guess is the dog belongs to laura baily character and you hang out with the dog at points in the game as a puppy and older and than when your ellie you bash its head in at some point. which makes laura baily go senator Armstrong on your rear end. this is most likely what happens
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Just like with the rest of 2020, I am just surprised that my initial speculation of "Joel is dead" significantly undershot how bonkers the discourse around this game ended up being
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Wait, was that "you see a flashback with the dog you killed" real or satire, i can't tell anymore we talking about tlou2 or dark souls now
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Just like with the rest of 2020, I am just surprised that my initial speculation of "Joel is dead" significantly undershot how bonkers the discourse around this game ended up being i mean i saw that twist coming a mile away and honestly i am ok with it and it makes sense. its clear ellie saw through joels bullshit at the end of 1 and poo poo was gonna end badly. like i am glad that joel murdering that doctor comes back to knock his head in. the dudes been "gone" for decades ever since his daughter died. this is just turning the lights off.
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dogstile posted:Wonder how much money they've given out to reviewers, considering that the only guy i can find who actually seems to criticise the story AND gameplay mentions that it basically doesn't innovate and has ridiculous plot holes. 10/10 by the way. We don't need to get into any "they're all paid off" conspiracies here. It's a fact that big-budget, massive-in-scope games from huge publishers regularly get high scores for being big-budget, massive-in-scope games. Many reviewers are incapable of thinking critically about the things they play. "It's big and expensive so it must be good!" is the only metric for those people. Plus all the tiny outlets and blogs that get guaranteed review copies from all the publishers, so long as they don't rock the boat by posting a review that isn't glowing. For those places, the writer might throw in some short nitpicks about controls or length but then go "Ultimately, it's still well worth the asking price!" in the last paragraph and stamp something between 8, 9 or 10 on it. Also, LOL at anyone who seriously thought Naughty Dog wouldn't have a mandatory dog killing sequence.
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agreed, people who arent me and dont think like me are incapable of higher thought. theyre almost like npcs or something and im the protagonist.
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Stux posted:agreed, people who arent me and dont think like me are incapable of higher thought. theyre almost like npcs or something and im the protagonist. you’re clearly emotionally invested in this game being seen as good why?
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you’re clearly emotionally invested in this game being seen as bad why?
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Bonaventure posted:you’re clearly emotionally invested in this game being seen as good The same could be said for everyone who’s chomping at the bit to say it’s gonna suck, who gives a poo poo?
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