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Status report: Got the Covid. Review: Coughing is reminiscent of a mild cold, muscle cramps 8/10, fever is bold but a bit derivative. EDIT: 77 is my oxygen saturation right now. Just kidding, it's fine.
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Dammit, sorry Jabby. Take care of yourself and I hope it's not too rough on ya
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Ms Adequate posted:It may well be that material conditions prevailing in 1930s Spain or 1910-20s Ukraine made anarchism impossible and that material conditions prevailing today make it viable. Just look at Owly's post there, he highlights very well how many things are changing and it's certainly possible, though by no means certain, that the impact of Covid will be to really boost in the long term the presence of the Internet, decentralization, and more personal flexibility in daily life. Does that in itself translate to anything except a slightly less lovely work environment, well, no, but if it's also serving to erode the old hierarchies and lines of demarcation then it may play a part in some more significant and radical changes down the line. I really find leftists to be way better at seeing the problems than seeing solutions, yeah, but I don't think that's because they're bad at solutions, I think it's because nobody can see the solutions because that would be predicting the future which nobody is any good at. But as with people all over the place, it's very tempting to try to spin a lovely story of how the future will go. Because it's nice for some people to believe there's a plan and predictable course. Sometimes even if the course is "everything will always be the worst it can possibly be" Much better I think, to expect to be surprised.
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jabby posted:Status report: Got the Covid. Have you got one of the little finger pulse oximeters or something better from work?
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Jun 12, 2020 23:00
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jabby posted:Status report: Got the Covid. Sorry to hear that, hope it's mild & quick overall. Best wishes to you and yours.
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Jun 12, 2020 23:02
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Yeah I hope it goes as easily as it can Jabby, and hope you get the time off work at least.
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jabby posted:Status report: Got the Covid. Sorry Jabby - hope it doesn't get too bad.
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Jun 12, 2020 23:06
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Guavanaut posted:Hope you get well soon. Yeah handily I bought one of the finger-probe ones a while back and tested it against the ones at work, so I know it's pretty accurate. Thanks for the well-wishes guys, I feel like this was inevitable given conditions at work (cramped, no ability to socially distance from other staff, pathetic PPE). At least I can get it over with.
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Jun 12, 2020 23:09
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jabby posted:Status report: Got the Covid. Good job on avoiding it this long given your profession, honestly. Hope it passes you by without getting any worse than it is ATM!
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Jun 12, 2020 23:24
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jabby posted:Yeah handily I bought one of the finger-probe ones a while back and tested it against the ones at work, so I know it's pretty accurate. Hope you get better soon, jabby!
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Jun 12, 2020 23:25
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goddamnedtwisto posted:You can reverse-engineer the way the forums store the avs to get old ones, let me have a dig. All his old avatars will be at https://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/titles/aa/bb/00150594.xxxx.jpg, where xxxx=0001 is the first avatar he had. aa and bb are hexadecimal variables, though, and I don't know how to find them without seeing a post of his with an avatar on it.
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Jun 12, 2020 23:46
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Yeah those were what I couldn't figure out too. Also it does it by file extension too, so there'll be a 0001.jpg and 0001.png depending on how many avs you've had with that file extension.
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Want to say thanks again to whoever recommended a Roku to me way back in March. Now I can start watching Outlander from the beginning (only ever seen the first ep of series 1) in comfort. I've just gone to the bother of setting up my laptop as a media server to play vids on tv via Roku without needing yet another HDMI cable (which I would also mean unplugging my 3 way hdmi switch and generally farting about with wires and chair position as the computer hdmi refuses to cooperate with the 3-way switch). Casting from pc to Roku seems rather hit and miss - sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
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jabby posted:Status report: Got the Covid. Hope you get through this as painlessly as you can, use every moment to take a well earned rest.
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jabby posted:Yeah handily I bought one of the finger-probe ones a while back and tested it against the ones at work, so I know it's pretty accurate. As someone who is now woefully familiar with the inside of a hospital it boggles my loving mind how bad the PPE is. We got gloves, a cloth mask, a shoddy visor and an apron which I am pretty sure is just a plastic bin bag put through a specific machining process. As soon as you walk outside SAU (turned into a COVID ward) it's masks off spring break baby. My sympathies - I hope you get it over with soon.
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In news from the (US) South: (Nascar banned the traitor flag, and y'all know why Harry Potter's there.)
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah those were what I couldn't figure out too. Think someone mentioned you just buy a new avatar and then take one away. Alternately brute force. If they start at 0000 then there aren't that many options to go really. No idea. I've had avatars off for years.
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jabby posted:Status report: Got the Covid. Get well soon buddy. My partner described almost identical symptoms too, said was terrified about being unable to breathe but in the end her breath was fine as long as she was just laying about and it was the aches that really sucked + weirdly losing all her sense of taste and smell, but it only lasted a week or so.
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jabby posted:Status report: Got the Covid. Well that's horrible. Hopefully your immune system has been strengthened to rock-hard status by hours of living in typically unhygienic goon accommodation and will crush the intruder virus within a week or so. Get well soon and hope you get good and caring treatment in the meantime.
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Relevant to the discussion recently, Sarah Z did a pretty good vid destroying Rowling with facts and logic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-rh-N4eFDU It's impressing how there's basically zero difference between how she writes and represents facts and how people like ben shapiro do.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Ronya, if I have understood you correctly then you are saying that: I wouldn't distance 'the Republican government' from 'the anarchists' - across much of Republican Spain, anarchist militias and CNT committees were de facto in charge My sense is that to label all these concepts across time as collectively 'anarchist' glosses over a distinction that is critical to the argument of inherent flaws (or not). 1930s Spanish anarchists outside of Basque country were deeply anticlerical and regarded the church as a conceptually existential threat in a way that we would struggle to empathise with today, engaging in campaigns to conduct massacres of priests and burnings of churches. They - like many in the pre-1960s old socialist left - were also prone to fetishising revolutionary ascetism and enforced prohibitions on alcohol, coffee, and tobacco (again, through ad hoc extrajudicial enforcement and a degree of largesse for active fighters). They were deeply cavalier about killing people - political executions took place in Republican Madrid daily and was extremely damaging to the Republican ability to maintain international recognition (hence driving it into the arms of the only power that would support it: the Soviets). But this enthusiasm about execution also extended to their own supporters - in Transatlantic Anarchism during the Spanish Civil War and Revolution Morris Brodie describes a morbidly funny episode where the Durruti Column command sought to solve bad driving: quote:Inexperience was causing many drivers [in the Durruti Column, the most powerful anarchist militia] to crash, depleting the number of trucks at the column's disposal. The anarchists had abolished traffic lights in Barcelona at the start of the civil war, rejecting their connotations of bourgeois legality. Indeed, Victor Schiff, the Daily Herald correspondent who travelled through the Aragón front during 1936, said he felt more likely to be killed by the standard of CNT driving than from a bullet on the front line. To combat this, authorities issued an order stating that anyone who crashed a truck would be shot. When Marzani [an international volunteer] suggested to Luis Ruano, the head of the column, that requiring drivers to hold licenses would be preferable to execution, Ruano replied that this would be an offense to their dignity as individuals! I think that these anarchists would have regarded an anarchist in the 1968 Paris mode or in the 1990s Seattle mode as deeply alien, even fascist or fascist-adjacent, and vice versa, if they had to contend with each other as contemporaries rather than through the narrative of historical tragedy. It's not that a contemporary quasi-millenarian mass revolution would necessarily be above killing people - millenarianism and political awakening in general is rarely bloodless, and hardly specific to left-anarchism - but that it would set out with a very different intellectual zeitgeist and hence adopt different targets and different methods. A contemporary anarchist commune would probably recoil from embracing mass political murder, though, I think it's safe to say? This is hardly hypothetical - when push came to shove, despite the apocalyptic rhetoric, the actually-existing UK left of the 1980s recoiled from openly embracing dropping concrete blocks on taxi drivers bringing scab labour to work. Far-left publications muttered that it was an accident, that they only wanted to scare him, that they didn't mean to kill anyone - not that they should have used a bigger block and got the scab miner too. Opposition to secret ballots on the explicit basis that it prevents the left from intimidating small-c conservative union/coop/commune members (as punishment for class betrayal or whatever) is not common any more. Ultimately standards of acceptable violence have narrowed, and remain narrow today - as befits political radicalism borne of opposing 'austerity', by which one means reducing social service spending from 23% to 21% of GDP; if human suffering created on those margins is unacceptable, then the suffering imposed by societal breakdown and revolutionary terror would be far worse anyway. ronya fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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The point of revolutionary violence is that things will be better after the revolution has won and the violence can be finished. Well, not fascist revolutionary violence, because there the violence is the ur-purpose, but everyone else who attempts one justifies it as a temporary measure needed to secure the revolution and institute whatever new order is dreamed of. Which isn't to say that these claims are true; some are true intentions that get waylaid in the process, some are cynical claims by people who always intended to eradicate others, and whether it's convincing/consistent in the first place to argue that a non-violent system can be implemented violently is up to the listener to decide. Just observing that the claim revolutionary terror and violence would be worse than the grinding down via austerity will not be convincing to many people who are committed to the former, because the belief will be that it would be a temporary measure to solve a permanent (or at the very least recurrant) problem.
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Hope covid doesn’t rough you up too much and you get chance to unwind a bit, Jabby. Try not to let them push you into going back too early, it has a weird wax and wane where you can feel better for a day then start feeling dizzy and achey again - I know you’ll know that but I also know how prone doctors are to neglecting themselves in the rush to look after others. The PPE really is comically bad. It’s also quite transparent that the new ‘all NHS staff to wear masks at all times’ command (after months without) is because some bright spark realised that Test and Trace would send entire departments into self-iso otherwise. Protecting the organisation and optics was always more important than protecting the health and lives of people.
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Ms Adequate posted:The point of revolutionary violence is that things will be better after the revolution has won and the violence can be finished. Well, not fascist revolutionary violence, because there the violence is the ur-purpose, but everyone else who attempts one justifies it as a temporary measure needed to secure the revolution and institute whatever new order is dreamed of. The problem with this is that once you successfully dismantle the social taboos on resolving problems with violence, you give a lot of power to people who are good at violence and more power to people who are comfortable using it; power that had previously been suppressed and taken away when  reigned. And you do that in a context in which the more you use violence the more important you get, so it starts influencing everyone else to use it too because everyone can see that’s the kind of person who gets ahead. So while you don’t start out aiming to build a hierarchy based on ability to inflict pain or kill, you end up there. Also the CNT pulled down all the traffic lights and wondered why people were suddenly dying in crashes? Wow. That’s some impressive elevation of theory over practice.
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Any kind of sustainable society cannot exist without violence because in order to exist a society must have the ability to credibly coerce those living within it to abide by certain rules and standards of behaviour by implicitly or explicitly suggesting that a failure to do so would be unwise for them. This applies equally to the most totalitarian state and the 20 person anarchist commune in the sticks. Yes, the nature of that coercion is considerably different, but the threat of punishment and/or exclusion exists in both. Which is one of the reasons I'm not an anarchist: a society with no violence is a brittle, naive society that cannot do anything but collapse the second someone decides that they don't much feel like playing by the rules. Literally all societies are founded on and built around the imposition of violence, and this isn't always a bad thing.
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ThomasPaine posted:Any kind of sustainable society cannot exist without violence because in order to exist a society must have the ability to credibly coerce those living within it to abide by certain rules and standards of behaviour by implicitly or explicitly suggesting that a failure to do so would be unwise for them. This applies equally to the most totalitarian state and the 20 person anarchist commune in the sticks. Yes, the nature of that coercion is considerably different, but the threat of punishment and/or exclusion exists in both. Which is one of the reasons I'm not an anarchist: a society with no violence is a brittle, naive society that cannot do anything but collapse the second someone decides that they don't much feel like playing by the rules. Literally all societies are founded on and built around the imposition of violence, and this isn't always a bad thing. Sure: in the societies most of us live in that violence is mostly abstract “potential” violence, which is why it has the power to shock when a light is shone on the places where violence is a real, immediate thing (cf BLM). I suspect but don’t know for sure that one of the reasons people in the past seem very cavalier about violence to us is that it was much more a part of their lives. But violence isn’t the only way to enforce compliance or even the ordinary one in normal life; shunning and shaming work too if you’re dealing with a small enough group. It’s some combination of scale and strangers where that breaks down.
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Beefeater1980 posted:But violence isn’t the only way to enforce compliance or even the ordinary one in normal life; shunning and shaming work too if you’re dealing with a small enough group. It’s some combination of scale and strangers where that breaks down. *sniff* and is to shun and shame and so on and so on not the most violent act imaginable *sniff* I'm half joking but honestly I do recommend reading Zizek's book on this, it's a lot of food for thought even if you don't buy his overall argument
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Blue Peter is alright https://twitter.com/chrissalmon/status/1271530201961443330?s=19
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Jun 13, 2020 08:45
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I thought Blue Peter ended like 20 years ago.
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Jose posted:Blue Peter is alright I was going to make some snarky comment saying that 'racism is having a bad opinion of someone because of the colour of their skin' is a pretty iffy way to define it, but then I remembered its Blue loving Peter and the audience is literal children lol. It's cool that they're bringing it up, though whenever they say 'if any of this upsets you talk to a grown up' I feel a bit uneasy because, well, a lot of white British kids have EDL da's
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stev posted:I thought Blue Peter ended like 20 years ago. Blue Peter will never die. It's beloved. And in this case, for good reasons.
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ThomasPaine posted:It's cool that they're bringing it up, though whenever they say 'if any of this upsets you talk to a grown up' I feel a bit uneasy because, well, a lot of white British kids have EDL da's 
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ThomasPaine posted:I was going to make some snarky comment saying that 'racism is having a bad opinion of someone because of the colour of their skin' is a pretty iffy way to define it, but then I remembered its Blue loving Peter and the audience is literal children lol. Yeah, I saw that and thought they forgot to add "... just not your grandpa who voted for Brexit, OK?"
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Yeah they can't say 'google it' or whatever because holy poo poo, and they can't reliably say talk to an older kid (because honestly, when you were a kid did you ever talk to older kids, especially about something like this? They're in a huge bind in terms of how people can actually find out about sensitive issues. It would be a good space for them to use their website to link to kid-friendly resources, perhaps...
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thespaceinvader posted:Yeah they can't say 'google it' or whatever because holy poo poo, and they can't reliably say talk to an older kid (because honestly, when you were a kid did you ever talk to older kids, especially about something like this? Just tell them to check an adult's social media and don't speak to them if they've ever used one of these phrases:
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HalloKitty posted:Yes, because the ability to understand different viewpoints is something you should never teach children This is either a troll or you're the dumbest person alive lol
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ThomasPaine posted:It's cool that they're bringing it up, though whenever they say 'if any of this upsets you talk to a grown up' I feel a bit uneasy because, well, a lot of white British kids have EDL da's
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Completely unrelated to politics (but related to watersupplychat I guess) here's a little weirdness from industrial sensor design: (like and share if you'd trust a bivalve with a spring glued to it over our private water company boards)
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Guavanaut posted:That's why they say 'talk to a grown up' rather than 'talk to your parents' Lol true
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