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boar guy posted:i mean the car is parked with the windshield pointing in to the street in front of a garage door that gets too hot to touch for 6-8 hours a day due to direct sunlight. it's gonna have some effect, even if it's not a purpose built thing People are selling brass button pushers so you don't have to touch things, lol. At least you're not alone? This one is my favorite: 
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numberoneposter posted:How long does purgatory typically last? Depends, how much have you paid your local priest?
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Facebook Aunt posted:People are selling brass button pushers so you don't have to touch things, lol. At least you're not alone? that is 100% someone's surplus stock of coat hangers down to the holes for screwing it into something. i mean hey, can't knock the hustle
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zer0spunk posted:that is 100% someone's surplus stock of coat hangers down to the holes for screwing it into something. Yes. It's great.
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Philthy posted:I thought the study on Covid life on surfaces was up to 7 days on metals, and 3 on everything else? Plastics (and mask outsides) were up to 7 days in the April study.
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Philthy posted:I thought the study on Covid life on surfaces was up to 7 days on metals, and 3 on everything else? Does anyone know if that study has held up over time? Because the one obvious challenge there is that while there may be enough viable virus after X time to infect a cell culture (which is how they establish infectivity), that doesn't mean it's enough to infect a human who has an immune system.
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Zugzwang posted:while there may be enough viable virus after X time to infect a cell culture (which is how they establish infectivity), that doesn't mean it's enough to infect a human who has an immune system. To the best of our knowledge, it’s probabilistic. When they say it takes a thousand copies (not a real number) of the virus to infect a person, it’s not like this number is crossing a threshold, even a fuzzy one, and depleting fast‐acting immune resources or whatever. It’s just a number of dice that’s high enough that if you roll them all, there is an excellent chance of infection. A person could get unlucky and get the disease after coming in contact with a single virion, or get lucky and beat a much larger amount. People have no problem with this concept when applied to cancer, but it feels unfair when viruses work like that.
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Zugzwang posted:Metals weren't that long. It was like a day or two for steel, roughly that for or maybe a bit longer for cardboard, longer for plastics, less for copper. I don't think that it would be ethical to test actual infectivity of surfaces on real humans, and it's not really feasible to determine how many infections have been due to surface contact. Epidemiologists seem to think that it's a likely transmission path, and if it wasn't then washing your hands would be ineffective and the R0 at the outset would probably have been a lot lower. I think it's reasonable to believe that the epidemiologists are right about surface contact creating real, not negligible risk
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poo poo sounds very bad in Brazil https://twitter.com/AP/status/1271678394674163713
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Zugzwang posted:Metals weren't that long. It was like a day or two for steel, roughly that for or maybe a bit longer for cardboard, longer for plastics, less for copper. I thought copper shoots electrons at coronas
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The Glumslinger posted:poo poo sounds very bad in Brazil That is not a new idea. Normally they're kept in an ossuary, not a Royal Wolf container 
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I want to be cremated but if my skellington had to stay around I want it to be part of something badass like that.
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Let my skeleton sink to the abyssal plain.
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I have given up on wearing masks when I'm exercising outside. The heat/humidity make it unbearable and the risk of infecting someone else is super low. E: "exercising" means biking/jogging in secluded areas, not anything in any kind of proximity to others
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Reddit has a thread full of people sharing how much CoViD wrecked their bodies.
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Yeah the rate of something that looks like post-viral CFS has a freakishly high positive rate with COVID-19, something like 5% or something according to what I read but I cannot find any sources backing that up.
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I can't find the page but I saw some projections for a few countries including Bolivia that had a per capita worse than Italy. It's not going to be a good time.
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Outrail posted:I can't find the page but I saw some projections for a few countries including Bolivia that had a per capita worse than Italy. It's not going to be a good time. Worldometers lets you sort by reported per capita and deaths per capita: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries Brazil is extremely hosed and rapidly getting much fuckeder. Ten days ago they over took Italy for the #3 spot on the 'cumulative deaths' chart and they just overtook the UK for the #2 spot:  That's just the deaths that they've officially reported, god alone knows how bad it's actually getting over there. Edit: IHME does projections but I really really don't trust them, they've repeatedly got stuff badly wrong in the recent past: https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Worldometers lets you sort by reported per capita and deaths per capita: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries All of Latin America is hosed Venezuela, Brasil, Mexico, Peru, Ecuador Argentina and Chile might be doing ok, haven’t seen too many bad news there Health system might be free but it’s not on the level of Euro countries, they’ll just run out of resources and pretend they’re treating you with water or whatever, while they wait for you to die and free a bed Great doctors but they can’t do much without resources If you thought the scarcity of PPE was bad in America...
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Zugzwang posted:Metals weren't that long. It was like a day or two for steel, roughly that for or maybe a bit longer for cardboard, longer for plastics, less for copper. no none of them have bothered to see whether people can actually get infected by a 6-day old virus remnant on plastic package. monkey studies are expensive doesn't really seem like it's happened to anybody in countries that actually do contact tracing
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Fallom posted:no none of them have bothered to see whether people can actually get infected by a 6-day old virus remnant on plastic package. monkey studies are expensive Bingo. The low dispersion factor backs this up too IIRC
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Alright, thanks for the input on the fomite stuff y'all. In other news, two coronavirus-positive hairstylists in Missouri didn't manage to infect any of their 140 clients, six coworkers, or anyone else in the salon. Because masks were used. This is simultaneously hopeful and frustrating as gently caress. The "REOPEN NOW!!" crowd could get something approximating what they want (and hey, what everyone wants)...if they'd just agree to wear some goddamn loving masks. But their refusal to do so will keep things dangerous indefinitely. BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:Bingo. The low dispersion factor backs this up too IIRC
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Zugzwang posted:Alright, thanks for the input on the fomite stuff y'all. It's a cool epidemiological concept (disclaimer: not an epidemiologist). If k=1 than everyone infects the same number of people but the closer to 0 it becomes, the greater the variance between spreaders becomes, ie: some infect a bunch of people while most dont infect anyone. It kinda seems like that's how COVID is being transmitted, you'll have a few individuals that manage to infect a whole bunch of people. Influenza is generally thought of as staying close to 1, while SARS-1 was like 0.15. I saw one estimate for Spanish Flu being like 0.94. The exact number for COVID is in dispute but AFAIK it's estimated through epidemiological data so it'll always be up to interpretation--nevermind the shoddy data they have to input. Anyways this paper talks about it: quote:The dispersion parameter determines the level of variation in the number of secondary infections: if k = 1, we have a homogeneous outbreak, but heterogeneity increases as k drops below 1; that is, it enlarges the proportion of infected individuals that are either “super-spreaders” or “dead-ends” (those that do not transmit the pathogen). From here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3680036/
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Masks are a tool of communists to infringe my first amanedment rights by physically covering my speaking hole. Would make for a cool sign to have at those rallies.
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Gonna be contradictory to see a bunch of people at the maga rally wearing masks. Better ban them at the door.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Argentina and Chile might be doing ok, haven’t seen too many bad news there https://twitter.com/SHamiltonian/status/1271636668206833664
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a pandemic read the graph
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Up until last week they were never getting more than 100 deaths per day but on the 7th they must have started reclassifying a bunch of deaths because their cumulative total suddenly shot up by 649 and now they're averaging about 200 deaths a days https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/ E: https://twitter.com/szapatazavala/status/1271678180907274247
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Looks like this pandemic is now getting SPICY Because of the Chile, Spanish for chili, which is a small pod of a variety of capsicum plants that is hot to taste Heh heh
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Looks like this pandemic is now getting SPICY IDGI? 
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Looks like this pandemic is now getting SPICY wow, hot take
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Schadenboner posted:IDGI? Like the food.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:From here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3680036/
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Bleusilences posted:Like the food. Chile is the country though? The one that's like a vertical version of the population map of Canada, only in South America?
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I think he's making a joke about this being the southern hemisphere's winter, so it's a bit chilly outside.
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redgubbinz posted:I think he's making a joke about this being the southern hemisphere's winter, so it's a bit chilly outside. 
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sup? nm, just Chilean
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In Chile we hosed it up good The government hid 50% of possible COVID deaths. The new health minister is sympathetic to antivaxxers. When I checked a few days ago we had the 2nd highest infection per capita rate behind Kuwait So yeah, far from great
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