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Mexican Deathgasm posted:Destroy the entire tree. Agreed
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Do we want to get HER'd? End up with Snarls crying forever like a tiny baby Orm? Our kids noped out of the future of the world and out of known history? Amok hosed it up completely & everything he valued ended up monstrous & in utter ruination. The stump is a physical reminder to us of what happens if we get into amok style big dick swingaz attitude. Leave the stump for now.
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Jun 13, 2020 13:48
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Sanctifying the forge will probably only work for us because we're using a holy tool. Bet it helps clear the connection or something. Sure, but how and why? I'm sure we could achieve the same effect with a variety of materials.
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Jun 13, 2020 15:32
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Do we want to get HER'd? End up with Snarls crying forever like a tiny baby Orm? Our kids noped out of the future of the world and out of known history? Not it isn't it's a monument to the rear end in a top hat that hosed up and is a monstrous thing he valued, we didn't bring a giant home to serve as a reminder of what not to do we just loving killed them all, this logic makes no sense. The thing that keeps Enkidel honest is his family, his city, his dog, and the 9,000 angels constantly watching every last thing he does, not half of a tree who's very existence is an affront to El.
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Jun 13, 2020 15:41
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Crazycryodude posted:Not it isn't it's a monument to the rear end in a top hat that hosed up and is a monstrous thing he valued, we didn't bring a giant home to serve as a reminder of what not to do we just loving killed them all, this logic makes no sense. The thing that keeps Enkidel honest is his family, his city, his dog, and the 9,000 angels constantly watching every last thing he does, not half of a tree who's very existence is an affront to El. both her and amok I think are more like us and less like fakeamok. It's not a shrine to Amok it's a dead fuckin tree from a dead guy from a dead civilization from a deadera. if relentlessly obliterating all stuff like that is what we're supposed to do then we should be blasting all the carine loot into vapors instead of arranging its secret transport across the world a big theme of the thread is people taking precepts and blowing them up to complete crazed dogma levels our city isn't keeping us honest at all and people are even now still like "hm we should eat El and become the new El some day"
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Jun 13, 2020 15:48
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Our hammer literally just came as close to outright telling us as his programming allows that it is a shrine to Amok I dunno what else to say man, either this is a disingenuous attempt to make up some way to keep the tree and hope it grows back or we have wildly different understandings of what Avery was saying.
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Jun 13, 2020 15:50
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the whole point i'm trying to make is "smash demon! Enki smash!" is good and right, but it's also baby level stuff you first tell people who have no idea what's going on at all. This is a solid course of action that works, but it's not the only good thing to do. It's like trying to teach a little kid one of their first moral lessons.
We should keep the wood to use down the line to make a decent bow, that's pretty much it. The thread gets all hopped up any time anything tells us anything and misses what's actually being said.
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Jun 13, 2020 16:04
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The point of a sacrifice isn't to get a pillar of fire it's to make it go away so people stop loving talking about it, we killed the tree, it's dead, no rewind, blood tree is over just let it go. El doesn't like it, we already smashed it, just finish the last 10% of the job and torch it for Him so we can all stop talking about it instead of another three years of this. It's not even good bow wood, it's hard you don't want hard wood for bows you want flexible wood and it would rot away in the century it would take for us to git gud at bowmaking anyways. Just burn the drat tree. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 16:09
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Crazycryodude posted:The point of a sacrifice isn't to get a pillar of fire it's to make it go away so people stop loving talking about it, we killed the tree, it's dead, no rewind, blood tree is over just let it go. El doesn't like it, we already smashed it, just finish the last 10% of the job and torch it for Him so we can all stop talking about it instead of another three years of this. If you think people will stop talking about it, you're crazy, the conversation will just be "we shouldn't have killed the tree, we could have sweet THING THAT I MADE UP RANDOMLY
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Jun 13, 2020 16:18
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SniperWoreConverse posted:We should keep the wood to use down the line to make a decent bow, that's pretty much it. We’re never making a bow. Losing Chait and getting the hammer were the one-two punch that knocked out any chance we’d ever get into bow making. Folks interested in the bow should fight for novel arrow construction. We already have a toe hold there, and they’re made in the forge. I don’t like the bow, so I’m gonna push for magic clubs or, failing that, armor.
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Jun 13, 2020 16:20
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SniperWoreConverse posted:both her and amok I think are more like us and less like fakeamok. It's not a shrine to Amok it's a dead fuckin tree from a dead guy from a dead civilization from a deadera. There's a thing that what El wants isn't necessarily what our culture wants or what other temporal powers want. This is why we can't trumpet that we were a sneaky gently caress that punched a cat demon unannounced, though it was something that El favored. OTOH El warned us, then literally smote us for this ONE god poo poo, and then we were warned again, for the third time by a literal agent of El. How more direct do you need this?
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Jun 13, 2020 16:23
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Olothreutes posted:3: Save some branches from the tree for grafting experiments.
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Oops I'm behind
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Olothreutes posted:3: Save some branches from the tree for grafting experiments. Doin this actually so that cool blood tree might live on in some way.
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Jun 13, 2020 16:50
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We....we just knocked down the evil tree that is an affront to our God, and you wanna graft it onto stuff? Why don't you just vote to graft it onto a fruit tree and get us smote by the melachim?
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Jun 13, 2020 16:51
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CloFan posted:So are we gonna hit the tree with the hammer or destroy it with mundane means? Hammer bro seemed to want a piece of it The tree has already been hit with Avery, it's done, the current state of the tree right now is splinters and firewood.
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Jun 13, 2020 16:52
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Oh yeah right I guess I missed that update, my b
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Jun 13, 2020 16:53
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Beastyfella posted:We....we just knocked down the evil tree that is an affront to our God, and you wanna graft it onto stuff? Why don't you just vote to graft it onto a fruit tree and get us smote by the melachim?
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Jun 13, 2020 16:58
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Thought of the day:. Would a modern day blood bank be akin to a nuclear stockpile in Ur, since blood magic is a thing?
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Jun 13, 2020 17:03
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Beastyfella posted:Thought of the day:. Would a modern day blood bank be akin to a nuclear stockpile in Ur, since blood magic is a thing? There's just as much blood in any small town full of people walking around keeping it fresh.
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Jun 13, 2020 17:17
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Beastyfella posted:Thought of the day:. Would a modern day blood bank be akin to a nuclear stockpile in Ur, since blood magic is a thing? it would be a really small amount of material compared to just mystically pulping everyone in a 500m radius. A nuclear stockpile is more like the stuff in the vault that we thankfully quit haranguing tudiya about.
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Jun 13, 2020 17:39
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Sacrifice the blood tree to El. I mean, we obviously care about it enough that he'd at least appreciate the gesture.
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Jun 13, 2020 18:04
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Swedish Thaumocracy posted:Sacrifice the blood tree to El. If it's representative of a false idol like I think Everstrike was trying to hint at, then yeah, El is all about that good poo poo.
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Jun 13, 2020 18:41
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I don’t think the blood tree has the amount of sentiment required to be a false idol. Every just knows where it came from and that it has potential to be an idol of Amok. In a really bad analogy the blood tree is like hiring a hot nanny and every is our friend telling us ‘this will not end well you should stop this now’ before we get caught balls deep in the tree
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Jun 13, 2020 18:50
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TK-42-1 posted:I don’t think the blood tree has the amount of sentiment required to be a false idol. Every just knows where it came from and that it has potential to be an idol of Amok. In a really bad analogy the blood tree is like hiring a hot nanny and every is our friend telling us ‘this will not end well you should stop this now’ before we get caught balls deep in the tree Youre absolutely right. gently caress the tree
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Jun 13, 2020 19:08
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I think Every Strike brought up the bit about making sure men do not see the reflection of El in our smithing for a reason. The point is that Enkidel needs to be very careful or his actions might be mistaken for a message from El or the melachim. It's the same reason we got chided by the priest in Carine. We can't send that message without it seeming like El had sent us. Since our behavior is potentially viewed as being divinely inspired our actions with the tree could be mistaken by the public. We aren't sacrificing a cow to the tree, but could someone think that if they saw us do it? If we are sacrificing stuff to the tree, should they be? After all, Enkidel does have a history of weird actions that seem to be divinely inspired. Suddenly people are making sacrifices to a false idol and poo poo is bad. I don't think the tree is inherently profane or a monument to a false god, but it does present a big risk for leading people astray. Which honestly I think is a much bigger issue than a bizarro world corner case where it eats a person.
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Jun 13, 2020 20:04
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We SHOULD eat El.
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Boba Pearl posted:We SHOULD eat El. 
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Jun 13, 2020 21:27
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Beastyfella posted:We....we just knocked down the evil tree that is an affront to our God, and you wanna graft it onto stuff? Why don't you just vote to graft it onto a fruit tree and get us smote by the melachim? Maybe ya'll shouldn't have broken the rad blood tree if you didn't want Blood Tree Krew grafting it onto stuff.
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Jun 13, 2020 22:01
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The new grafted trees glorify El.
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Jun 13, 2020 22:11
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Boba Pearl posted:The new grafted trees glorify El. Yeah. Using bad things to make good things is a thing. Using bad amok tree to make good El tree is as viable as using bad behemoth bone to make good club.
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Jun 13, 2020 22:25
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If we can manage to grow those fruits without needing to drain a cow into the tree I bet El would actually like those. Yeah these used to be risky, but I fixed it and now here's some tasty fruit.
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Jun 13, 2020 22:56
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Graft a branch onto us so we can get a third, fruit producing, arm
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Jun 13, 2020 22:56
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Graft a branch onto us so we can get a third, fruit producing, arm bleed on the graftlings
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Jun 13, 2020 23:03
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Do we want to get HER'd? End up with Snarls crying forever like a tiny baby Orm? Our kids noped out of the future of the world and out of known history? FIND HER AND BRING HER HOME!
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Jun 13, 2020 23:09
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Guys, give up on demon tree, you've got the carne stuff. Play with that and let the pious part of enkidel burn the heathen wood.
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Jun 13, 2020 23:57
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Graft a branch onto us so we can get a third, fruit producing, arm we already have a baby’s arm holding an apple. it just doesn’t produce fruit
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Cast_No_Shadow posted:Guys, give up on demon tree, you've got the carne stuff. Play with that and let the pious part of enkidel burn the heathen wood. I agree. We need to eat all the carne stuff, specially if it is human carne.
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Olothreutes posted:If we can manage to grow those fruits without needing to drain a cow into the tree I bet El would actually like those. Yeah these used to be risky, but I fixed it and now here's some tasty fruit.
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pumpinglemma posted:El loves it when we sacrifice items holy to other gods, so let's set up a farm dedicated to producing them! El is going to be so happy with this new stream of sacrifices, I can't wait to see Ishamal's face. We already know that El doesn't give a gently caress about the fruit, the sacrifice was totally unremarkable beyond how good the fruit smelled. I also don't think that they were holy to anyone, they were just fruit. Prized fruit, sure, but fruit none the less. If we can take that and remove the need for cattle blood, thereby removing the risk of people being led astray if they see us feeding the tree, we can keep the fruit without issue. It seems pretty clear to me.
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