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Ashcans posted:I guess now that I'm resigned to collecting Sororitas, is there any indication or reason to think they'll get a Start Collecting box sometime? It seems like it would be likely given their co-star role in the 9e trailer, but with GW who knows. I'm sure one's coming. Unfortunately you kinda missed the boat on the LE box they did for the launch, but I suspect they might use some of the contents for a future Start Collecting box.
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ffoecaf posted:All of the flesh colors are good, and Snakebite leather are amazing for belts and pouches and the like. Skeleton horde for bone details. Seconding Skeleton Horde for bones and horns, made doing Tzaangors way easier. I did Space Wolves Grey for their flesh and after 2 coats I think it turned out pretty good as well.  edit: whoops forgot to thumbnail HorseBag fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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ThoraxTheImpaler posted:Don't forget that not all contrast paints are created equal. There are some that are hot garbage and some that have no right to be as amazing as they are. My top 5 are Guilliman Flesh, Talasar Blue, Gryphcharger Grey, Basilicanum Grey, and Black Templar. They're that good poo poo. Gotta disagree with any list of best contrast paints that doesn't include Apothecary White
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HorseBag posted:Seconding Skeleton Horde for bones and horns, made doing Tzaangors way easier. I did Space Wolves Grey for their flesh and after 2 coats I think it turned out pretty good as well. That's top notch
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Wanted to ask if anyone had a good video for showing how an experienced painter 'picks out the details' - it's a phrase I see a lot, but on models like admech (which I just had a frustrating experience with), there are so many tiny little surface rivets and edges that when I tried to highlight the bits or edges to make them standout, it just made the models a mess because I either couldn't be precise enough or something was off with how I loaded paint on the brush. Someone in the painting thread gave me a method for using drybrushing/pin washing to get around that, but since I am mostly in this for hobby/narrative play, and at some point I am going to paint up something over-detailed and the games workshop videos aren't as useful as I'd hoped.
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ffoecaf posted:All of the flesh colors are good, and Snakebite leather are amazing for belts and pouches and the like. Skeleton horde for bone details. Just make sure you shake snakebite like crazy. Learn from my mistakes.
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Kitchner posted:Gotta disagree with any list of best contrast paints that doesn't include Apothecary White That and Nazdreg Yellow. They are perhaps not as easy to use as other Contrast paints, but compared what it takes to get those colours to work with traditional paints, they're the best justification for the Contrast line.
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Kitchner posted:Gotta disagree with any list of best contrast paints that doesn't include Apothecary White I've never used apothecary white before because the only reason I would is shading white and my current method of 3:1 medium:fenrisian grey accomplishes the same job but better. I've seen the results and they're definitely pretty drat good.
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Pakxos posted:Wanted to ask if anyone had a good video for showing how an experienced painter 'picks out the details' - it's a phrase I see a lot, but on models like admech (which I just had a frustrating experience with), there are so many tiny little surface rivets and edges that when I tried to highlight the bits or edges to make them standout, it just made the models a mess because I either couldn't be precise enough or something was off with how I loaded paint on the brush. Someone in the painting thread gave me a method for using drybrushing/pin washing to get around that, but since I am mostly in this for hobby/narrative play, and at some point I am going to paint up something over-detailed and the games workshop videos aren't as useful as I'd hoped. I think this is a pretty decent video to show the general edge highlighting techniques (and also just some general easy techniques): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ueRyKXv3o&t=718s
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Maneck posted:That and Nazdreg Yellow. They are perhaps not as easy to use as other Contrast paints, but compared what it takes to get those colours to work with traditional paints, they're the best justification for the Contrast line. gently caress, I forgot nazdreg. I'm never going back to using gold paint ever again. It's all nazdreg over silver for this nerd.
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I really prefer Wyldwood for leather over Snakebite. It’s a darker brown, and looks more believable as a pouch or something on an Astartes utility belt, at least to me. Snakebite is very yellow.
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ThoraxTheImpaler posted:gently caress, I forgot nazdreg. I'm never going back to using gold paint ever again. It's all nazdreg over silver for this nerd. Do you have any pics of this? I really like using Retributor Armour the old fashioned way, but would be curious to see your results.
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Ashcans posted:I guess now that I'm resigned to collecting Sororitas, is there any indication or reason to think they'll get a Start Collecting box sometime? It seems like it would be likely given their co-star role in the 9e trailer, but with GW who knows. Yvonmukluk posted:I'm sure one's coming. Unfortunately you kinda missed the boat on the LE box they did for the launch, but I suspect they might use some of the contents for a future Start Collecting box. I'm almost certain that the exact contents of the Sisters LE box will be the contents of the Start Collecting! Adepta Sororitas box, minus the limited edition codex and dice and cards and things. Reasoning: The Sisters of Battle LE box had four sprues in it: -1 full sprue containing one Penitent Engine, one Seraphim Superior, one Repentia Superior, one Arco-Flagellant, one Sister Superior, one Battle Sister with Simulacrum Imperialis, one Battle Sister with Storm Bolter, and one Battle Sister with... I think it's a regular flamer? -Two copies of a half-sprue containing, collectively, four Seraphim, four Repentia, two Arco-Flagellants, and six Sisters of Battle, all in duplicate pairs with extra heads so they're not complete duplicates. -One eighth-sprue with a Canoness. For a total of two and an eighth full sprues worth of plastic. You'll note those one full and two half-sprues can't really be broken up and sold without each other, because with the exception of the Penitent Engine, none of them have a full unit of models individually. You need all three for a full unit of Seraphim, a full unit of Repentia, a full unit of Arco-Flagellants, or a full unit of Battle Sisters. They could have done two full sprues instead and avoided doubled poses, but this way they only had to make a full and a half mold instead of two full molds, and then use the half-mold twice as often. Molds are by far the most expensive part of their manufacturing process and this saves on manufacturing cost. Compare to Shadowspear. Shadowspear introduced Vanguard Space Marines and the refreshed Chaos Space Marine line. -The Chaos Space Marine half of Shadowspear had two full sprues of Chaos Space Marines plus the Master of Possession on a one-eighth sprue. This whole thing became Start Collecting Chaos Space Marines. I want to note here that there were no HQ units on the two full sprues; the Master of Possession was the only CSM HQ in the box. -The Vanguard Space Marines half of Shadowspear had one full and two half-sprues of Vanguard Marines (it pulls the same tricks as the SoB box in putting the unique characters on the big one and doubling up poses on the duplicates for the dudes with identical gear) plus two eighth-sprues with the Vanguard Librarian and Vanguard Captains on 'em. The one full and two half-sprues became Start Collecting! Vanguard Space Marines, while the Vanguard Captain and Librarian were sold as separate characters instead. Important to note here is that the full sprue had a Lieutenant in Phobos Armor on it, which is an HQ choice; SC! boxes always have an HQ choice. So, Shadowspear got made into two SC! boxes, one with two full sprues and an eighth-sprue, one with one full and two half-sprues. Each of those CS! boxes is pretty much exactly the amount of plastic in the LE Sisters of Battle army box. Finally, the full and half-sprues in the LE SoB box don't have an HQ in them, so if those are going to be the SC! SoB box, they'll need a separate HQ, like the new SC! Chaos Space Marines has. GW already sells a separate Canoness model with multiple gear options. They need an HQ in the box, and are unlikely to put the sold-separately Canoness in there, meanwhile, there's precedent for a limited-release character showing up later exclusively available in an SC! box with the Space Wolves Primaris Battle Leader Haldor Icepelt, who showed up in the Tooth and Claw box (the one with the Space Wolves and Genestealers set on Vigilus) and who still isn't available on his own but is available in Start Collecting! Primaris Space Wolves. "But Lea," you say, "They said that Canoness was exclusive to the LE box!" To which I reply, it was at the time. And "Plus it includes the Canoness model formerly available exclusively in this old box we stopped selling!" is exactly the sort of phrase that shows up in Warhammer Community articles about upcoming releases. So, yeah, wait a bit. A Start Collecting! Adepta Sororitas box with all these models in it will probably be showing up around Christmas. Stephenls fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Gunder posted:Do you have any pics of this? I really like using Retributor Armour the old fashioned way, but would be curious to see your results. My camera is rear end, but these models use the same process Thorax is describing.    The models started as one airbrush coat of Vallejo Model Air Duraluminum, Abbadon Black on the armored sections, a brush touchup of the Duraluminum, and then one coat Nazdreg Yellow for the gold.
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ThoraxTheImpaler posted:I've never used apothecary white before because the only reason I would is shading white and my current method of 3:1 medium:fenrisian grey accomplishes the same job but better. I've seen the results and they're definitely pretty drat good. I mean maybe, but that argument applies to basically every contrast paint really. It's a real quick and consistent way to shade white, and it can also help with blending a bit. If you try to blend two light colours together, like ojn a power sword, a little apothecary white can help hide the transition. For me thats the best paints, it's just a quick and easy way to achieve certain effects without having to mess around diluting paints to achieve the same effect. I like the technical paints for a similar reason, yeah I can base my models with a mix of sand and paint etc but the technical paints are just easy to use.
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Gunder posted:Do you have any pics of this? I really like using Retributor Armour the old fashioned way, but would be curious to see your results.  All of the gold on this model is Vallejo white aluminum airbrush paint(brush painted on because it has great coverage) and one coat of Nazdreg.
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Strobe posted:My camera is rear end, but these models use the same process Thorax is describing. That's really nice. I wonder if you could make something with more color modulation by zenithal highlighting the underlying metal with a brighter metallic silver paint.
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Stephenls posted:a brighter metallic silver paint. If you can find a metallic paint that's meaningfully brighter than duraluminum you deserve an award.
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ThoraxTheImpaler posted:If you can find a metallic paint that's meaningfully brighter than duraluminum you deserve an award. Metal Color Chrome? I mean, it's not a good chrome paint but it's brighter than duraluminum.
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How does it compare to Stormhost Silver? That stuff is real bright. I use it for gun metal: 1 coat Stormhost, then wash with Black Templar. Looks great, and basically removes the need for an edge highlight afterwards.
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Gunder posted:How does it compare to Stormhost Silver? That stuff is real bright. I use it for gun metal: 1 coat Stormhost, then wash with Black Templar. Looks great, and basically removes the need for an edge highlight afterwards. Judging by my swatches, it's about as bright as stormhost silver but covers better when applied by brush, and a bit brighter than brushed stormhost silver when applied via airbrush. I don't have a swatch of airbrushed stormhost silver so I don't know how that fits in. Metal Color Chrome gets a bad rap in online reviews of the Metal Color line that I've seen because as chrome paints go, it's bad -- it doesn't look like chrome and you can't polish it like chrome. But it is a freakishly bright silver.
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Gunder posted:How does it compare to Stormhost Silver? That stuff is real bright. I use it for gun metal: 1 coat Stormhost, then wash with Black Templar. Looks great, and basically removes the need for an edge highlight afterwards. It has the coverage of something like leadbelcher, it dries smooth because it's an airbrush paint, and I'd say it's comparable brightness if not a little brighter. Over black primer it only takes two coats for 100% coverage.
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Thank you for the advice everyone. I'm going to try some highlights on my next batch of guardsmen instead of drybrushing. I've just been buying the start collecting boxes as I need Leman Russes and Guardsmen and Heavy Weapon teams, and It's cheaper than getting them separately.
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Ashcans posted:I have some of the older models, how badly do they clash with the new range in terms of size? They're slightly larger. Not the best picture sorry, but here's the old & new side by side: 
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Stephenls posted:I'm almost certain that the exact contents of the Sisters LE box will be the contents of the Start Collecting! Adepta Sororitas box, minus the limited edition codex and dice and cards and things. Thanks for the well-thought answer! Sounds like I can wait on that for a bit. If I was going to start working on some stuff before then, it seems like I could just aim outside those contents and pick up something like the Celestians/Dominions box, so that I don't end up doubled up on too much with the eventual starter.
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Kitchner posted:Gotta disagree with any list of best contrast paints that doesn't include Apothecary White Can confirm, used it as the base for my Abaddon and it was the best decision of my life. 
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We talking about Contrast? Here are some of my Primaris Blood Angels! They're not perfect, but they look great from a foot away    
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I was saying to someone the other day I'm glad contrast didn't exist because those paint jobs look better than my early attempts and I reckon I'm lazy enough and had so many models to paint I'd have never bothered to try and get better
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Gunder posted:How does it compare to Stormhost Silver? That stuff is real bright. I use it for gun metal: 1 coat Stormhost, then wash with Black Templar. Looks great, and basically removes the need for an edge highlight afterwards. I have VMA Chrome (same as VMC Chrome) and I feel could in theory highlight Stormhost silver with it. It is definitely the brightest/shiniest metallic I’ve ever used.
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So goobertown posted a new video and its a touchy subject but.. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that he is still the Bob Ross and Fred Rogers of the Warhammer community https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YgVb4a0bUw Someone upthread really said it, he's a national treasure and a good boy. ThNextGreenLantern posted:We talking about Contrast? Here are some of my Primaris Blood Angels! They're not perfect, but they look great from a foot away Dude these work well, nicely done. Metallic red looks a lot nicer than I thought.
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Mephiston posted:So goobertown posted a new video and its a touchy subject but.. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that he is still the Bob Ross and Fred Rogers of the Warhammer community just watched this. he's genuinely one of the best representatives of any nerd community. the nuance he took to the subject without both side-ing it was impressive.
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:are there any good sources for building your own space marines chapter? Like all things go with goonhammer: https://www.goonhammer.com/the-narrative-forge-building-narrative-armies/ Pairs well with the painting a narrative army article: https://www.goonhammer.com/narrative-forge-painting-narrative-armies-and-showing-without-telling/
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If you have an Android device, Impcat is a great way to test out color schemes. There's tons of templates available on the subreddit.
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Stephenls posted:That's really nice. I’ve tried contrast over basic zenithal and the shades can end up super dark. I’d go for a lighter base overall.
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I've tried Contrast both over a zenithal and over a pre-shade of something more or less like thinned-down Nuln Oil followed by a white drybrush, and the latter works much better: That's 100% contrast. (And another thing Snakebite Leather is excellent at is doing a fair approximation of NMM gold straight out of the pot - it works better if you can add some highlights in light yellow and then white, but even if you can't be bothered, like I couldn't here, it works fine.)
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Mephiston posted:Dude these work well, nicely done. Metallic red looks a lot nicer than I thought. Thank you! I used leadbelcher spray, hit it with a Guilliman Blue glaze, then put the Blood Angels Red contrast over that, it gives it a more rich look. To me.
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Giant Ethicist posted:I've tried Contrast both over a zenithal and over a pre-shade of something more or less like thinned-down Nuln Oil followed by a white drybrush, and the latter works much better: Really, really nice work. Puts mine to shame!
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