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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Mors Rattus posted:

That's signed James Means, not Lou Zocchi. I kind of assume Lou Zocchi doesn't know how to operate email.

That may be for the best, but this email definitely isn't.

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Oh no.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
#1 Builder
2014-2018

mllaneza posted:

That may be for the best, but this email definitely isn't.

Yeah, I have no idea how to parse this email but it reads like an rear end in a top hat wrote it.

MadScientistWorking
Jun 23, 2010

"I was going through a time period where I was looking up weird stories involving necrophilia..."

Mors Rattus posted:

That's signed James Means, not Lou Zocchi. I kind of assume Lou Zocchi doesn't know how to operate email.
Well that and he doesn't own Gamescience. I just checked and James is supposed to be the new owner.

Jimbozig
Sep 30, 2003

I like sharing and ice cream and animals.
That reads like standard middle-of-the-road white American old-timer to me. If you polled white people over 60, you'd probably get like 80% of them agreeing and 19% saying "yeah I don't agree with all of that, but it's just his opinion."

Like, it doesn't even read as particularly Republican for that age group. If you told me that was written by Joe Biden or some other old-rear end Democrat, I'd have believed it up until it started talking about dice.


PS Don't take this as me excusing him. Take it instead as me denouncing the lovely culture of nationalism and righteous genocide your old folks were raised in.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Speaking of cops and current events, how's Paizo do-oh god drat it.

Thread:
https://twitter.com/doctorcomics/status/1268734661607321600

Aaaand Jessica Price thread:
https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1272329346997313537

In short: "don't be so quick to assume our AP about playing as cops is going to be bad in this environment because you could use it to play good cops".

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



Jesus. "We support BLM! That's why we made an adventure about The Good Cops!" isn't the most tone-deaf thing I've heard in the last two weeks, but it might make the top five.

Thranguy
Apr 21, 2010


Deceitful and black-hearted, perhaps we are. But we would never go against the Code. Well, perhaps for good reasons. But mostly never.

Jimbozig posted:

That reads like standard middle-of-the-road white American old-timer to me. If you polled white people over 60, you'd probably get like 80% of them agreeing and 19% saying "yeah I don't agree with all of that, but it's just his opinion."

Like, it doesn't even read as particularly Republican for that age group. If you told me that was written by Joe Biden or some other old-rear end Democrat, I'd have believed it up until it started talking about dice.


PS Don't take this as me excusing him. Take it instead as me denouncing the lovely culture of nationalism and righteous genocide your old folks were raised in.

It reads like a document that has changed literally nothing but the one number since it was written in 1976.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Jimbozig posted:

That reads like standard middle-of-the-road white American old-timer to me. If you polled white people over 60, you'd probably get like 80% of them agreeing and 19% saying "yeah I don't agree with all of that, but it's just his opinion."

It's also Flag Day in America, which is worth mentioning for context. RED IS FOR THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS stuff makes more sense in that light, and the socialism attacking America bit sounds like he got his politics in the cold war and hasn't examined them since.

It's not good but it's far from the worst thing I've seen this week. Like you said, It's standard old people stuff.

Arthil
Feb 17, 2012

A Beard of Constant Sorrow
James is a jackass, yeah and ol' Lou hasn't been involved for a very long time. Not sure if the physical location is there anymore. Went there once, at the behest of my very black artist friend cause he wanted me to get some neat GameScience dice. The owner will conduct himself professionally more or less, nothing came up in the like 40 minutes I perused the shelves. More for my friends benefit than anything as they hadn't been there in a while.

But between some of the stories he told me about James, and that the guy had a Trump Boardgame displayed quite front and center on a shelf you could not miss made me cringe pretty hard. My friend put it this way: Despite it being to the benefit of his business. James can't help but put his foot in his mouth.

His personality reminded me of the guy that runs an even closer FLGS/Comic Shop. The difference being the owner of THAT place is very left leaning.

Arthil fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jun 15, 2020

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

moths posted:

It's also Flag Day in America, which is worth mentioning for context. RED IS FOR THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS stuff makes more sense in that light, and the socialism attacking America bit sounds like he got his politics in the cold war and hasn't examined them since.

It's not good but it's far from the worst thing I've seen this week. Like you said, It's standard old people stuff.

That bit about how each colour stands for different things is...is that real? Is that something old white American boomers believe? It's just so ridiculous.

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



Loxbourne posted:

That bit about how each colour stands for different things is...is that real? Is that something old white American boomers believe? It's just so ridiculous.

Variations on that theme are taught widely in schools and civic programs in the USA, so I guess it depends on your definition of "real."

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


Loxbourne posted:

That bit about how each colour stands for different things is...is that real? Is that something old white American boomers believe? It's just so ridiculous.

Is it what lots of people believe? Yes. Is it what was originally intended? No.

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

senrath posted:

Is it what lots of people believe? Yes. Is it what was originally intended? No.

Once again, it’s Reagan’s fault.

PST
Jul 5, 2012

If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Mercer telling bigots to gently caress off sure got lots of them riled up and angry (this was in response to Rowling's stuff in the news, he's gone on to say more with Trump's health care bullshit)

https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1270861656810110977

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

PST posted:

Mercer telling bigots to gently caress off sure got lots of them riled up and angry (this was in response to Rowling's stuff in the news, he's gone on to say more with Trump's health care bullshit)

How on earth could that be news to anybody?

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Dawgstar posted:

How on earth could that be news to anybody?

There are a lot of people who watch his show to mock it for being sjw-ish, or who enjoy it except for the very conspicuous queer, trans, and nb representation, or just miss it.

There are a lot of dumbass chuds in this hobby, and I'm very glad to see one of the bigger progressive figures speaking out aggressively rather than just passively.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Dawgstar posted:

How on earth could that be news to anybody?

People are willfully blind to the fact that all media is in some way political, including the media they consume, because up until now that media has never challenged them in any way. And now that it is they want it to go back to being silent or agreeing with them.

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

Dawgstar posted:

How on earth could that be news to anybody?

People like to assume that the things they like align ideologically. Critical consumption of media is not something that is widely taught, and if it were, there would probably be less chuds in the world.

PST
Jul 5, 2012

If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

thespaceinvader posted:

There are a lot of people who watch his show to mock it for being sjw-ish, or who enjoy it except for the very conspicuous queer, trans, and nb representation, or just miss it.

There are a lot of dumbass chuds in this hobby, and I'm very glad to see one of the bigger progressive figures speaking out aggressively rather than just passively.

Yeah not just a 'trans rights are human rights' tweet but outright 'we don't want bigots here'.

Making bigots angry at the same time as supporting trans people is a two-for-one

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy
In somewhat related good (!) news:

https://twitter.com/GregStohr/status/1272533169045200902?s=20

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
WotC is (slowly) starting to get onto the "maybe the idea of evil races is bad" train.

https://www.enworld.org/threads/wotcs-jeremy-crawford-on-d-d-races-going-forward.672716/

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

dwarf74 posted:

WotC is (slowly) starting to get onto the "maybe the idea of evil races is bad" train.

https://www.enworld.org/threads/wotcs-jeremy-crawford-on-d-d-races-going-forward.672716/

I mean, holding up Eberron as some amazing sea change in WOTC's culture is bullshit since Baker made those decisions for Eberron nearly 20 years ago (And even then Eberron's Drow are still extremely problematic). And Exandria was created by Matt "Trans Rights are Human Rights" Mercer just up thread, they don't get to take credit for that.


Meanwhile 5th edition Forgotten realms had Ao literally deus ex machina back in all the racist bullshit that 4th edition excised because it was "Correct".

Sooooo.... Yeah, they don't get any bonus points for this, Not yet at least.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Takes about five comments before people are arguing about the biotruths of minotaur skeletomuscular attachment points and saying that "Black people are actually brown, which is not traditionally a color associated in the West with evil!" EnWorld is trash.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
e: nm

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jul 22, 2020

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Plus, the latest thing leaked for them seems to be an adventure in Neverwinter, so unless they're planning on revising the entirety of the Forgotten Realms very soon, it's not going to bring much progress.

Icewind Dale, not Neverwinter. Close geographically, very different thematically as shown by the name.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
Tooting about Eberron's relaxation on alignment restrictions for races, as if that wasn't a core pillar of Eberron since 3e and also something that would severely undermine the setting lore itself if they suddenly doubled down on it, is pretty funny.

I'm dying to know how they plan to "address" the Vistani when WotC was more than happy to reproduce them uh... unaltered in Curse of Strahd four years ago. Do they plan on including an apology or revisions in reprints of the campaign book? Ignore it entirely and just let Ravenloft fall back into the murky shadows of embarrassing tabletop RPG history?

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

theironjef posted:

Takes about five comments before people are arguing about the biotruths of minotaur skeletomuscular attachment points and saying that "Black people are actually brown, which is not traditionally a color associated in the West with evil!" EnWorld is trash.
The enworld fb post has even spicier takes.

https://www.facebook.com/356276981120264/posts/3309263179154948/


dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jun 15, 2020

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
e: nm

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jul 22, 2020

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.


"Why don't we just remove alignment while we're at it!" proclaims one of the Facebook people, thinking this a statement of how mad this is, not realizing that yes, that would be a better idea.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Night10194 posted:

"Why don't we just remove alignment while we're at it!" proclaims one of the Facebook people, thinking this a statement of how mad this is, not realizing that yes, that would be a better idea.
Here's my favorite one, in that context.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Yes, the game has those issues, because Gary Gygax was weird racist slime and the sooner all that stuff is burned off it the better!

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

dwarf74 posted:

Here's my favorite one, in that context.



That’ll be the same Kent Kelly who makes all this stuff: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/browser/publisher/7178

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:
Oh, he's OSR/OGL, that explains basically everything.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
Shocking to discover the people invested in the EN World posts would poo poo out the same knee-jerk defensive nonsense about SJWs ruining traditional gaming that every nudnik on any other social media platform spouts off. I expected better of the forum that originated the Knights of the Scarlet Women post.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
'if I can't say someone's race inherently influences their morality then you're making my ironclad and immutable view of morality seem almost BAD or something!' ~ someone who 100% thinks they're making a slam dunk point

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Man, they're so close to almost getting it.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Dawgstar posted:

Man, they're so close to almost getting it.

I mean, "Sarcastically asking a hyperbolic question to which the answer is an unironic and emphatic Yes." has practically become a conservative pundit talking point lately.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



sexpig by night posted:

'if I can't say someone's race inherently influences their morality then you're making my ironclad and immutable view of morality seem almost BAD or something!' ~ someone who 100% thinks they're making a slam dunk point
What always blows my mind is that this stuff is always about being on the generic side of good or bad rather than, like, being organizationally nearly-incapable of lying, or an obligate carnivore, or something.

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
yea it's not like there was EVER really a time when, like, an Orc had a literal biological need to defile a holy site to a law god or something, it was always literally just shorthand for 'Orcs bad'

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