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WITCHCRAFT posted:When I first googled "why is it snowing HotS 2020" I was 100% sure the character was going to be Mei Jaina has a stream of ice that slows you more the longer it hits you, culminating in a stun? Blizzard/RIng of Frost also have that effect in a large area? There's more difference than you think there is.
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SirSamVimes posted:Jaina has a stream of ice that slows you more the longer it hits you, culminating in a stun? If Jaina had that it would be loving awful, why are you suggesting it like it's a good thing for HoTS
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Jun 15, 2020 15:15
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Maybe you should wait until the thing you dislike exists to post about it? Could be an idea.
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Jun 15, 2020 16:15
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I see Mei as combination of old Tassadar, Jania, and Arthas. I think she will be able to talent her auto attack likes Arthas Ice aura thing where it will freeze people in place, I also think she will have an icewall but unlike Tassadars it will be able to be broken like it is in Overwatch. Then, I think she will have an ice skill shot that is pretty much like Janias. I think her Ult will be like Chromies slow sand one but will also do a bit of DOT. For her second ult I am not for sure. Then for her final skill she will have ice block as a regular skill but then with talents she can make it so it heals her and does other stuff.
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Jun 15, 2020 16:57
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She's... a tank?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX_YBY_tRJI
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Jun 15, 2020 19:26
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She looks pretty fun. She seems to do a whole lot but we'll see what her HP and damage numbers are like.
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Jun 15, 2020 19:41
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So their solution was to give her an entirely new toolkit that has basically nothing to do with her OW kit.
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Jun 15, 2020 19:45
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No Wave posted:She looks pretty fun. She seems to do a whole lot but we'll see what her HP and damage numbers are like. She seems to do everything but raw damage. Slow, stuns, blinds and a good engage.
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Jun 15, 2020 19:57
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Looks busted lol with that area stun. More tanks is good though since I don’t really like playing any of them. Maybe she’ll be fun enough.
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Jun 15, 2020 20:19
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too much cc on a single hero
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Jun 15, 2020 20:22
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Polio Vax Scene posted:too much cc on a single hero
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Jun 15, 2020 21:08
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Apparently her full rotation doesn’t clear waves until like level 4, her AA’s tickle and she has long CDs as well so yeah she does nothing for damage can’t solo lane at all. Still don’t really like the idea of basic skills with 80% slows right off the gate. And why the gently caress does EVERYTHING need a blind, hasn’t Illidan suffered enough?!
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Jun 15, 2020 21:21
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SirSamVimes posted:So their solution was to give her an entirely new toolkit that has basically nothing to do with her OW kit. Looks like everything is there but her OW primary attack, which is almost certainly best kept out of this game. Wasn't expecting her OW ult to become a basic ability but it looks like it has a relatively small radius and you won't get frozen unless you start at one side of it and have to walk through the whole thing. Hoping her damage is low enough that she's not completely infuriating to fight against but with slows on everything in addition to the other forms of CC she's going to be a massive pain in team fights at least.
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Jun 15, 2020 21:54
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Froghammer posted:It's Johanna level CC, her damage is going to be garbage and she'll be entirely dependent on allies to capitalize on the killzones she'll set up its way more than johanna level cc. she has a knockback on her E-dash thing. she has an AOE slow on her W, that turns into an AOE stun at the end. her Q is a ranged targed AOE slow and blind. both her ults are a ridiculous amount of CC, one is an AOE stasis / knock back, the other is an enormous AOE stasis AND gigantic physical terrain blocker. she better be artanis levels of fragile to make up for this kit but the fact that they classify her as a tank makes me think she won't be
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Jun 15, 2020 21:58
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One of her listed weaknesses is burst damage so yeah I'd say she's probably on the fragile side.
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Jun 15, 2020 22:49
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Mind over Matter posted:I entirely agree with the gist of your post here, but it's always strange to me when people cite "Release Hanzo." On his release Hanzo was severely undertuned and had around a 42% win rate even in the high-end leagues. It took two months of buffs and bug fixes before he became good-to-great depending on who was playing him. Hanzo absolutely languished in Mediocre Assassin Hell on release but he still managed to outperform Raynor just because his kit was so overloaded (especially the 7.5 range). Release Hanzo himself wasn't overpowering but he was still a problem because the dev team was so obviously focused on adding New And Shiny poo poo instead of fixing old and clunky characters. Considering that we already have several very CC-oriented tanks, concerns about her being able to smoothly outperform them are worth considering. Kith fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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Jun 15, 2020 23:43
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Kith posted:Hanzo absolutely languished in Mediocre Assassin Hell on release but he still managed to outperform Raynor just because his kit was so overloaded (especially the 7.5 range). Release Hanzo himself wasn't overpowering but he was still a problem because the dev team was so obviously focused on adding New And Shiny poo poo instead of fixing old and clunky characters. Considering that we already have several very CC-oriented tanks, concerns about her being able to smoothly outperform them are worth considering. It also comes at a time where if you look at the tanks that are actually getting played/winning games, your options are basically ETC, Diablo and sometimes Johanna if they have a lot of AA damage. Most of the other tanks are in a bad to terrible spot, and there's others like Arthas, Muradin and Blaze that are basically only ever picked as niche offlane bruisers and that's it. Which doesn't really work anymore because Tracer and Cassia are everywhere and they can't do poo poo to them. A lot of older tanks need to be looked at, but now we have this new one that has 8 different CC's built into her base kit with some staggering numbers behind it. I feel like Blizzard is just gonna plop down Mei and say "there, tank meta problem fixed pay up bitches" edit: the stuff about her being weak to burst damage seems wrong, she has more HP then half the tanks in this game and a built in Ice Block Orange Crush Rush fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Jun 16, 2020 01:45
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Given that "siege damage" was a listed weakness, it looks more like those are what she's lacking rather than what counters her.
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Jun 16, 2020 02:45
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...how many loving tanks have any kind of burst damage?! That's an insane thing to call a weakness for a tank in this game, most of them literally tickle people unless you go pure damage builds, like what Muradin does.
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Jun 16, 2020 02:53
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mei good, game bad
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Jun 16, 2020 04:30
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mei is the one that got a skin that was like "too sexy" right? and people got all mad she wasn't a slob or something??
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Jun 16, 2020 04:42
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appropriatemetaphor posted:mei is the one that got a skin that was like "too sexy" right? and people got all mad she wasn't a slob or something?? iirc people were mad mei wasn't fatter.
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Jun 16, 2020 04:43
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appropriatemetaphor posted:mei is the one that got a skin that was like "too sexy" right? and people got all mad she wasn't a slob or something?? 
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Jun 16, 2020 05:02
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is that a real picture? i have a hard time believing blizzard would put a non-barbie-doll figure in one of their games.
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Jun 16, 2020 05:05
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Orange Crush Rush posted:...how many loving tanks have any kind of burst damage?! That's an insane thing to call a weakness for a tank in this game, most of them literally tickle people unless you go pure damage builds, like what Muradin does. Stitches a long time ago had good damage but that got nerfed heavily.
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Jun 16, 2020 05:31
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Polio Vax Scene posted:is that a real picture? i have a hard time believing blizzard would put a non-barbie-doll figure in one of their games. Her spine is not straight in that picture.
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Jun 16, 2020 06:26
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Polio Vax Scene posted:is that a real picture? i have a hard time believing blizzard would put a non-barbie-doll figure in one of their games. It is real but it's a bugged pose.
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Jun 16, 2020 07:14
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Kith posted:It is real but it's a bugged pose. Who was it that had something weird going on with their back when they ulted? e: it was widowmaker's rear end when she ulted not mei's spine
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Jun 16, 2020 07:42
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Yeah, Widow's rear end inflated when she put on her goggles.
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Jun 16, 2020 08:13
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PTR and notes are up: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes-of-the-storm/23442720/heroes-of-the-storm-ptr-patch-notes-june-15-2020#anomaly Towers revert to the old system, it looks like the Snowy Field picture referred to the Climate Phenomena, and Mal'Ganis gets a re-work. Plus Li Li becomes a Nexomania wrestler!
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Jun 16, 2020 17:10
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I’ve been rather neutral on the previous anomalies and felt that you shouldn’t judge them before you try them out, but this weather anomaly sounds horrible. Especially in SL.
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Jun 16, 2020 17:14
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IMO it sucks that people whined so much they're taking the teeth back out of towers, but I suppose reddit going to reddit. At least they're trying things, I'm all for that.
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Jun 16, 2020 17:17
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Once I got used to the building targeting changes I didn't mind them. Was really kind of hoping they would stick around.
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Jun 16, 2020 18:54
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I am fine with this compromise. Easier to defend than earlier but still some more incentive to push in lane.
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Jun 16, 2020 19:02
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I'm glad they're trying out different things but I didn't like the building changes at all. They made split-pushing incredibly difficult and screwed with hero balance for ex-specialists.
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Jun 16, 2020 19:04
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Pedestrian Xing posted:Once I got used to the building targeting changes I didn't mind them. Was really kind of hoping they would stick around. Agreed. I find the new mechanics to pose fair (and circumventable) restrictions on full-on rushes. Just like with when they tried removing walls or whatever, I hope they reconsider this change.
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Jun 16, 2020 19:46
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What is to make of the Malganis changes? He seems like a strange hero to rework when he was fine and was in a better spot than so many others.
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Jun 16, 2020 20:05
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Anomalies are poo poo, Mei looks boring, and Cho'gall FINALLY got a new skin that isn't just a pumpkin head reskin. Overall good patch. (Greed from Diablo III) 
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Jun 17, 2020 00:27
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Im_Special posted:Anomalies are poo poo, Mei looks boring, and Cho'gall FINALLY got a new skin that isn't just a pumpkin head reskin. Overall good patch. Not bad, gonna have to get that one. A friend of mine likes HotS but has no real game sense, so he usually only plays if he can be Gall and act as the turret. Anything else and he ends up being in the wrong place constantly and either feeding or losing us objectives. It's still fun but having played Cho a lot it's hard to overlook the inherent weakness of having two players in one body with a game that's as CC heavy as this. I'm hardly a grandmaster and can't really judge power levels at the higher ranks but it seems like a bad idea to use him outside of quickplay.
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Kaal posted:I'm glad they're trying out different things but I didn't like the building changes at all. They made split-pushing incredibly difficult and screwed with hero balance for ex-specialists. It was kind of silly how someone could just stand within range of a tower and stop Xul from ever using his W.
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