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As a Karling I sent a son off to form a mercenary company, but it didn't seem to have any benefit. Do I get anything if no one hires the mercs? Do I get a discount if I use that mercenary band myself?
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Do we have a sense if CK3 will incentivize landing your heir/children?
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Jun 14, 2020 13:50
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In general landed characters acquire skills and also contribute to your dynasty perks. IIRC if an older person inherits land they gain some skills but not as many as if they'd been landed all along.
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Jun 14, 2020 14:01
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:As a Karling I sent a son off to form a mercenary company, but it didn't seem to have any benefit. Do I get anything if no one hires the mercs? Do I get a discount if I use that mercenary band myself? Forming a merc band is a trap option. You have to keep sending them money for them to afford more troops and you get very little benefit from it. The one exception is if you're a horde since it's a way to get prestige for your desired heir.
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Jun 14, 2020 20:40
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Chaotic Flame posted:Do we have a sense if CK3 will incentivize landing your heir/children? Only landed characters get lifestyle exp for skill points. Older characters will get a lump sum of skill choices if they get landed late in life, but I think they've said that they're tuning is so that someone landed immediately from adulthood will always have more total skills than someone the same age who was just landed.
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Jun 14, 2020 20:54
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Various Meat Products posted:Forming a merc band is a trap option. You have to keep sending them money for them to afford more troops and you get very little benefit from it. The one exception is if you're a horde since it's a way to get prestige for your desired heir. The main benefit is that, sooner or later, they will make some demands for expansion that make no sense and can't/shouldn't be met, at which point they invariably disband and make your money go poof, or just invade your capital. This might be a slightly unorthodox usage of “benefit” but there you go.
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Jun 14, 2020 21:39
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Also instead of landed heirs becoming totally uncontrollable while they run off to matrilineally marry their imbecile niece to crank out garbage children with the wrong dynasty name, I think CK3 offers you a little more control with the house system, although I'm not sure what happens if the AI becomes the house head over you. I'm still really interested in the kind of dynamics cadet branches can make.
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Jun 14, 2020 21:56
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In addition to skills, I would say Dynastic Legacies offering concrete bonuses is a major incentive to accumulate "dynastic prestige", which was pretty much just an end-of-game "scoring" system in CK2. If you have several kingdoms controlled by your dynasty you should be building up your Legacy bonuses much more quickly than if it's just you and your collection of unlanded heirs. There's also the clan government, which is supposed to be similar to Iqta but hopefully more successfully pushing the idea of giving power to your dynasty. We don't have a lot of information on that just yet, but it is my hope however that tribals will be able to adopt a clan government even if they are not Muslim (if not... well, it's probably something that can be modded, right?). Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Jun 14, 2020 22:48
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Yeah, but you only get Renown from members of your dynasty that aren't vassals under another member of your dynasty. So if you wanted to land your heirs and get dynastic prestige from them, you'd also have to make them independent.
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Jun 14, 2020 22:54
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Hellioning posted:Yeah, but you only get Renown from members of your dynasty that aren't vassals under another member of your dynasty. So if you wanted to land your heirs and get dynastic prestige from them, you'd also have to make them independent. Right, what was emphasized in the dev diary on the topic was that you wanted to try and put your dynasty in power in far flung lands. Not so you'd have a claim on it, but so that your dynasty would hopefully spread and gain more Renown. It's a worthwhile point to make though that being an emperor with a bunch of dynastic vassal kings won't get you a bunch of renown (unless you're setting them up so they could eventually split off and do their own thing).
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Jun 14, 2020 22:59
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 Not a bad start. Charlie and his brother both died to peasant revolts, and most all of that is extort tribute. I was going to build a University in Sweden, but I died while doing a conquest on Venice. I got two Viking Merchant republics under me now, one based around London, the other in Venice. Iceland is a theocracy under the Fylkir and my personal Seer. winterwerefox fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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My experience with making tributary buffer kingdoms with my dynasty on the throne was that I basically always had my retinue on the move, one civil war to the next. Occassionally, I reannexed the kingdom, ripped out all the vassals, replaced them all with my own dynasty and that would buy me about two good reign's worth of peace in that kingdom before it was return to Civil Hell War. Honestly, if you're looking to put dynastic asses in seats:put a bastard on a foreign throne, forget about him, check back in a century, put another bastard on that throne, wash rinse repeat. I try to put a talented bastard on the throne so that his reign lasts a little while, but when your own emperor is a useless and incredibly long lived dipshit, it's hard to find any good talent in the family. The best run I ever had for a bastard placed on a foreign throne was a century. Motherfucker lived to 97 and then passed the realm off to a literal infant, at which point is was promptly deported back to my own kingdom.
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Jun 15, 2020 07:10
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For the past three generations I have had genius daughters and useless sons. The one game I decide to not do elective in and the game knows this.
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Jun 15, 2020 07:19
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Hellioning posted:For the past three generations I have had genius daughters and useless sons. That's why they're doing CK3, because 2 is on the verge of sentience.
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It's confusing how I feel like EU4 really needs a sequel by now, but CK2 feels sort of perfect. I know CK2 has its weaknesses but so far I'm not that chuffed for CK3 because it will change things.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:It's confusing how I feel like EU4 really needs a sequel by now, but CK2 feels sort of perfect. I know CK2 has its weaknesses but so far I'm not that chuffed for CK3 because it will change things. You could just keep playing ck2, like I plan to do if my 2012 Mac mini can’t handle it.
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Jun 16, 2020 07:44
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The Dev Diary on Stress is out. Basically it's about what one could probably expect from it given the information we've had on it so far, but notable is that having a mental break at stress level 3 might result in a character killing their heir.
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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/ck3-dev-diary-31-a-stressful-situation.1399764/ Honestly the stress mechanic seems way more interesting than I expected. None of the examples of mental breaks they showed looked like something I'd try too hard to avoid, they look pretty fun.
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Magil Zeal posted:The Dev Diary on Stress is out. Basically it's about what one could probably expect from it given the information we've had on it so far, but notable is that having a mental break at stress level 3 might result in a character killing their heir. Imagine being the guy trying to work out the mathematical basis for Ivan the Terrible and his son Ivan. It looks like someone spilled Rimworld into my Crusader Kings!
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Jun 16, 2020 16:37
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You can pet the dog CK3 confirmed 10/10
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One of my most annoying things was that I always want to play perfectly so all my characters in a game always acted the same way basically being me. Stress seems like a great way to break me of that and guide my actions to be more role playing.
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Zeron posted:https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/ck3-dev-diary-31-a-stressful-situation.1399764/
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Yeah this Stress system actually seems really cool, I like having a system that will guide me to lean into my characters.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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The important thing is that they confirmed you can, in fact, pet the dog. CK3 is best game.
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If you can pet the dog, can you make efforts to buy a pet, instead of just randomly getting one? If the queen of England can get as many corgi's as she wants, I demand the same ability. 
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I wonder if you'll be able to interact much with the stress levels of npcs outside of jailing them. It'd be a laugh to drive your leige round the bend through small annoyances to open up the chane of overthrowing them.
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Jun 17, 2020 00:08
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Zeron posted:https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/ck3-dev-diary-31-a-stressful-situation.1399764/ Every diary they release shows they've spent some serious time working on the main features. This looks really good and easy to figure out as a player.
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I'm working with someone to do a blind (for them) stream series of CK2 and figured I'd ask yall: What are good newbie starts now, probably for 867? Ireland is of course always available, bug I figure pagans are usually more interesting. Whoever's the Magyar 867 start (with their ridiculous early event doomstack) or any of the larger lords in Scandinavia, and maybe Poland should work, yes? Not sure if there any others we should look at that don't require some of the less necessary DLC packs. What are the must have and probably ignore DLCs now for doing one playthrough? I've had everything on my own account forever and forget what all's what, but I figure LoR, Old Gods, WoL, Reaper's Due, Conclave, and Holy Fury are the main things to get for their account? Are Monks and Mystics and/or Sons of Abraham worth throwing in assuming there's a decent chance they'll eventually go Christian, and are the rest okay to ignore assuming they don't have a particular interest in a start that requires them?
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Zeron posted:https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/ck3-dev-diary-31-a-stressful-situation.1399764/ I worry about the potential angle of: Video game coerced me into sexual acts through gaslighting mechanics. You know someone will whip up a hit piece like that. Sex and coercion really shouldn't cross streams, even if its a single text card saying "You saw a boob. +10HP". Not moralizing, just saying that's the kind of thing that will cause hassle and fingerpointing at CK3. I'm really looking forward to the mechanic though. More than one king or earl has driven me crazy in CK2, this could really flesh out roleplaying it beyond spitting and hissing at my monitor when some earl becomes the bane of my existence. It would be fun to properly drive rivals into spiraling rage.
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wit posted:I worry about the potential angle of: Video game coerced me into sexual acts through gaslighting mechanics. You know someone will whip up a hit piece like that. Sex and coercion really shouldn't cross streams, even if its a single text card saying "You saw a boob. +10HP". Not moralizing, just saying that's the kind of thing that will cause hassle and fingerpointing at CK3. Look you can literally beat whores for money in gta and kill people steal their drugs and do them in fallout so I don’t think this will be the one to finally have the media perk up (more)
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wit posted:I worry about the potential angle of: Video game coerced me into sexual acts through gaslighting mechanics. You know someone will whip up a hit piece like that. Sex and coercion really shouldn't cross streams, even if its a single text card saying "You saw a boob. +10HP". Not moralizing, just saying that's the kind of thing that will cause hassle and fingerpointing at CK3. Kidnapping women and making them your concubine is already something you can actively decide to do in game so that ship has long since sailed in CK.
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wit posted:I worry about the potential angle of: Video game coerced me into sexual acts through gaslighting mechanics. You know someone will whip up a hit piece like that. Sex and coercion really shouldn't cross streams, even if its a single text card saying "You saw a boob. +10HP". Not moralizing, just saying that's the kind of thing that will cause hassle and fingerpointing at CK3. Yeah, cause incest simulator 3 is absolutely not going to be able to handle people from the media pointing fingers at it for sexual weirdness.
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:I'm working with someone to do a blind (for them) stream series of CK2 and figured I'd ask yall: Yeah, any of the big Scandinavians, Magyars, or Polish pagans should work. For DLC, Legacy of Rome isn't that critical (the only thing it would get you is retinues and reuniting Rome iirc). M&M adds societies and events for when you're not conquering, so its generally recommended. SoA adds a lot of mechanics to Christianity.
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Technowolf posted:Yeah, any of the big Scandinavians, Magyars, or Polish pagans should work. 'the only thing it would get you is retinues' I mean yeah but retinues are quite possibly the best thing locked behind DLC and it 's all kinds of bullshit they aren't base game yet.
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Yeah, I wouldn't play a pagan at this point without retinues. Tribal retinues changed how I play the game.
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JustaDamnFool posted:I wonder if you'll be able to interact much with the stress levels of npcs outside of jailing them. It'd be a laugh to drive your leige round the bend through small annoyances to open up the chane of overthrowing them. that's basically how the antagonize action works right now (you can literally inflict stressed on someone by being a giant rear end in a top hat to them) so i'm sure it's come up
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wit posted:I worry about the potential angle of: Video game coerced me into sexual acts through gaslighting mechanics. You know someone will whip up a hit piece like that. Sex and coercion really shouldn't cross streams, even if its a single text card saying "You saw a boob. +10HP". Not moralizing, just saying that's the kind of thing that will cause hassle and fingerpointing at CK3. You can do ethnic cleansing in these games.
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