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poo poo, my SUV’s backup camera radar will flip out from a piece of trash or odd stain on the ground and think the car is about to crash.
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im pretty sure some automatc braking system saved me from getting run over once so i disagree that they suck e: i mean all cars should have collision detection because people can not be trusted to drive. this includes whoever is reading this who thinks it's all the OTHER people on the road that is the problem. it's you too. hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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luxury handset posted:yeah, trains can be and often are automated but even automatic-capable subways are frequently still driven by humans for all kinds of organizational, social, technical, economic reasons that exist outside of the technology I may have mentioned this story in here before, but this reminds me of touring an IBM plant about 20 years ago. It was a massive facility, and as a lot of it was manufacturing, there were these electric vehicles constantly moving stuff around, each one driven by a person. At one point in the tour, our guide stopped and pointed out the floors. Going everywhere were slight grooves in the concrete and the last remains of paint around them, clearly some kind of disused color coding. Our guide explained that IBM had designed and implemented an automated delivery system back in the 80s/90s to move product around the plant. Apparently, all someone had to do once the thing was loaded was enter in where the product was supposed to go and it would zip off to that location. And, as our guide told us, if that's all that needed to happen, it worked pretty well. But, any deviation from that path was really difficult. If something needed to be rerouted, someone had to physically chase down the car, or wait until it got to the destination, then send it back from there. Mechanical failures were similarly problematic, as the vehicle couldn't leave the track, so if one broke, a technician would need to be dispatched and the line would be blocked until they could physically move the vehicle. They eventually figured out that it was far cheaper to pay someone $20/hr (in today's money) to drive the stuff around and deal with all the problems that occur.
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hemale in pain posted:im pretty sure some automatc braking system saved me from getting run over once so i disagree that they suck There's loads of features like that that work and don't just automatically kill the driver though. Having a car actively steer you based on the random conditions ahead scares the hell out of me. Let it stop me sure, but not steer me.
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LifeSunDeath posted:There's loads of features like that that work and don't just automatically kill the driver though. Having a car actively steer you based on the random conditions ahead scares the hell out of me. Let it stop me sure, but not steer me. Oh fair enough yeah, it should only stop you in an emergency.
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Crossposting for the extremely OSHA-thread-appropriate quote from the person responsible: https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/1272783718155980802 quote:She said she may have done it because she believed it was “a stupid requirement” that the test be conducted at such a cold temperature, the complaint said.
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Jun 16, 2020 22:33
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Crossposting for the extremely OSHA-thread-appropriate quote from the person responsible: https://twitter.com/infinite_scream/status/1273006813458432003
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Wingnut Ninja posted:She said she may have done it because she believed it was “a stupid requirement” that the test be conducted at such a cold temperature, the complaint said. 
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Jun 16, 2020 22:47
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Ocean.... cold??? nah
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Jun 16, 2020 22:50
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The safety of literally billions of dollars worth of military equipment, tasked with protecting an entire country from nuclear destruction was reliant on a single person filling out a column of numbers honestly.
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Jun 16, 2020 22:53
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I mean in her defence, the subs are never going to be operating at -100 fahrenheit since at that point they would be sailing through solid ice. At room temperature, and even low sub-zero temperatures the steel is likely (read: certain, given that humans have to live inside it and they're nuclear powered) to be used in the sub will be fine.
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Jun 16, 2020 22:58
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haveblue posted:From the followup thread, several different cancers And white supremacy, apparently. We never had a smoke detector problem when we rented, but when we lived in Lexington our rental house there had been wired by ADT many years before, but not with service for at least a decade. About every six months there would be a brownout or something at 3am that set off the alarm, at high volume, and almost no way to shut it off. Can’t even remember how we finally disabled it.
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Jun 16, 2020 23:01
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That's a good way to erase any contracting profit with the US for the duration of the deviation. Every ethics training I've ever done for things completely unrelated to government contracting and quality assurance have slides screaming at you "we know you're smarter than the quality policy. You still need to run it through the bid process lawyers and government contacts" because this sort of thing is incredibly common.
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Drone_Fragger posted:I mean in her defence, the subs are never going to be operating at -100 fahrenheit since at that point they would be sailing through solid ice. At room temperature, and even low sub-zero temperatures the steel is likely (read: certain, given that humans have to live inside it and they're nuclear powered) to be used in the sub will be fine. I'm not a metallurgist, but a) testing things beyond their expected use case is usually how you establish safety tolerances, and b) just because the test specifies X strength at Y temperature doesn't mean it will be used at that temp, but that requirement might still prove some desired quality in the metal. That's purely speculation on my part, but it doesn't seem unreasonable. And c) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6SEQQbwtU
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drgitlin posted:Can’t even remember how we finally disabled it.  Alright chimey, this time the bell tolls for thee!
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 I thought this was gonna be perfect for the thread but it turns out it was reasonable and just fine.
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kimihia posted:Grenfell?. Happy 3rd Anniversary to that disaster, I guess. Couple of pages back, but when all this stuff came out the Australian federal government said it was a state government problem, the state governments said it was a council problem and the councils went "right anyone we think might have flammable cladding on their building needs to show cause at their own expense that they don't, and if they do, they need to replace it at their own expense". The insurance companies responded to people possibly having flammable cladding on their buildings by hiking premiums in some cases by as much as 2,000%. Not a typo, a friend of mine showed me two invoices a year apart where one was for $17,xxx and the another one was for $35x,xxx. Literally no one ever made mention that maybe the builders might be at fault for using the materials because when they used them, they were legal. Also, it's not just big apartment buildings with flammable aluminium cladding, it's also smaller residential developments that have been using expanded polystyrene foam as a cheap, light building material for the upper stories, neatly ignoring the fact that it acts as an accelerant with the equivalent of three litres of petrol for every square meter of foam. Again, perfectly legal when it was installed. There's no way anyone will pin the blame on the builders in this country because of how heavily we rely on them to prop up the economy.
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Wait. Australia made buildings out of polystyrene foam?
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drgitlin posted:Wait. Australia made buildings out of polystyrene foam? And they live in underground hobbit homes
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drgitlin posted:Wait. Australia made buildings out of polystyrene foam? Look, I know you've got a hate on for Australians because one stole your high school girlfriend or some such idiotic bullshit but it's being used all over the world. https://www.chemicalsafetyfacts.org/polystyrene/ - USA quote:Lightweight polystyrene foam provides excellent thermal insulation in numerous applications, such as building walls and roofing, refrigerators and freezers, and industrial cold storage facilities. Polystyrene insulation is inert, durable and resistant to water damage. http://www.buildup.eu/sites/default/files/content/EUMEPS%20brochure%20Environment%20LowRes%20web_0.pdf - EU The issue with this and many other things is that there was a standard for the amount of fire retardant that had to be included in the construction material, be it aluminium cladding or expanded polystyrene, and it was cheaper for builders to just buy stuff that wasn't up to standard, build the buildings, then go "hey we used the stuff we were supposed to, not our fault the person that sold it to us wasn't telling the truth". So with that red text, do you post in AI anymore, or are you having to cast your net wider for threads to poo poo up?
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Eschatos posted:So when was it determined that mass self driving cars are impossible with current technology? Genuinely curious. What's impossible is the belief that self driving cars are the solution to cities' traffic problems. The only solution to that is to make people less dependent on the car.
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I remember as a kid, a friend of my parents was showing us a utility cabin they were building using foam blocks that stack together like lego and get filled with concrete. It seemed like a really neat idea. After some googling it seems this is called Insulated Concrete Forms and it's actually the greatest building material ever, according to several youtube videos that I've got queued up.
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Collateral Damage posted:Self driving cars are perfectly possible. There are technical challenges, but nothing insurmountable.  Self driving cars are decades away if they even are possible.
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Collateral Damage posted:Self driving cars are perfectly possible. There are technical challenges, but nothing insurmountable. The solution? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDOI0cq6GZM
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Mr. Nice! posted:
Seriously. Even former self-driving firm CEOs have come out and admitted that the initial exponential growth in capability from the required ML systems has leveled off far below what is needed for human-equivalent driving. https://medium.com/starsky-robotics-blog/the-end-of-starsky-robotics-acb8a6a8a5f5 Like, Waymo has one of the best systems so far, and after years of development they still can't drive when it is raining. I actually talked to a Google engineer once and asked him about that. Like, "does the rain prevent the sensors from seeing the pedestrians?" His reply: "No, the problem is that the sensors start thinking that every rain drop is a pedestrian and they are falling from the sky." LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jun 17, 2020 |
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Of course, if you're someone like Tesla who has to pretend that this poo poo is going to work, you're likely to "solve" that problem by not looking for pedestrians when it's raining, or not looking for vehicles in front of you when going under an overpass.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:That reminds me I have to bug my property management company to get a replacement for my carbon monoxide detector. The thing started beeping randomly, then more insistently, and I checked the beep pattern and it was indicating the alarm was dead and needed to be replaced. The CO detector in the house I moved into is also mounted on a bedroom wall about 6' up. I assume there was a reason why.
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At this point, I'd settle for highway autopilot and having to take over once I get into areas with pedestrians and poo poo. Even just interstate and no entering traffic except onramps would be a huge deal.
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FuturePastNow posted:The CO detector in the house I moved into is also mounted on a bedroom wall about 6' up. I assume there was a reason why. At least in this state it is a newer requirement, so I've seen a lot of half-assed installations. This house does have a fireplace, which I suppose provides the barest excuse for needing one, but it's hard to imagine a situation where something going on the fireplace generates CO at a level that is dangerous without the smoke detector going off way beforehand.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I remember as a kid, a friend of my parents was showing us a utility cabin they were building using foam blocks that stack together like lego and get filled with concrete. It seemed like a really neat idea. Just make sure you get the ones with triple tooth interlock technology.
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OSHA content: https://i.imgur.com/9G6L0a7.mp4 https://wyo4news.com/news/train-fire-near-airport/
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senrath posted:"If you're on fire, kids, deal with that first before you go get the camera." Wife: "What is the hole for?" Michael: "Science!" Shortly followed by: "Let me turn around so you can see my butt....It's so slimy....I am not stuck"
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drgitlin posted:We never had a smoke detector problem when we rented, but when we lived in Lexington our rental house there had been wired by ADT many years before, but not with service for at least a decade. About every six months there would be a brownout or something at 3am that set off the alarm, at high volume, and almost no way to shut it off. Can’t even remember how we finally disabled it. "Oh yeah, that model of smoke detector won't turn off." Known problem. A few hundred bucks of my very poor student money later and it was all fixed and the smoke detector replaced. Then he, a professional who installs and fixes these all day every day, pointed to a screw and said, "why didn't you undo that and remove the battery?" Because I'm not a full time alarm installer? Antigravitas posted:This pacifist generally prefers a very Zen approach to life but if that detector woke me in the middle of the night with no way to turn it off there would be murder. I'd probably drown it in the sink or smash it to bits and write a strongly worded letter in the morning. Memento posted:Couple of pages back, but when all this stuff came out the Australian federal government said it was a state government problem, the state governments said it was a council problem and the councils went "right anyone we think might have flammable cladding on their building needs to show cause at their own expense that they don't, and if they do, they need to replace it at their own expense". The insurance companies responded to people possibly having flammable cladding on their buildings by hiking premiums in some cases by as much as 2,000%. Not a typo, a friend of mine showed me two invoices a year apart where one was for $17,xxx and the another one was for $35x,xxx.
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kimihia posted:We had a smoke alarm wired into the alarm system. It went off. We couldn't reset it through the panel. The next day I rang the alarm repairer who came around and looked at the destruction: wires hanging out of the ceiling where the alarm had been, a smoke alarm with a broken casing, the siren horn snipped out, all the wires from the backup battery cut off, and the mains power flicked off at the wall. only 'full time smoke alarm installers' think to check the battery?
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LanceHunter posted:Seriously. Even former self-driving firm CEOs have come out and admitted that the initial exponential growth in capability from the required ML systems has leveled off far below what is needed for human-equivalent driving. It's raining men, hallelujah, it's raining men
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Muscle Wizard posted:only 'full time smoke alarm installers' think to check the battery? If the thing's wired into the system then it's probably powered off the system as well and the battery's just a backup in case mains power goes down. That's how every hardwired smoke alarm system I've ever installed has worked but granted that's US not NZ.
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Phanatic posted:If the thing's wired into the system then it's probably powered off the system as well and the battery's just a backup in case mains power goes down. That's how every hardwired smoke alarm system I've ever installed has worked but granted that's US not NZ. thats not what my post is about at all but thanks for explaining how smoke alarm batteries work i guess
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I remember as a kid, a friend of my parents was showing us a utility cabin they were building using foam blocks that stack together like lego and get filled with concrete. It seemed like a really neat idea. It's fine in theory, architects seem to love it, but you better make drat sure you're vibrating the hell out of the concrete. The issue is because the forms don't come off, there's no visual check that you have good consolidation of the concrete. It's only after your interior finishes are in when you have to open up the wall and remove some of the insulation to figure out why your pipes are freezing that you discover giant voids in your concrete wall. An extreme example, but really makes you question it every time you use it on another job.
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Instead of wasting a bunch of money on soul-crushing automated traffic systems, the USA desperately needs a new nationwide network of Autobahn-style hyperfreeways that is reserved for noncommercial traffic (i.e. no heavy trucks). Also for christ sakes bring back SST planes because we've been stuck at 580 MPH for like 60 loving years. The world needs to look a lot loving more like the Popular Science magazines I read as a teenager.
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Number_6 posted:Instead of wasting a bunch of money on soul-crushing automated traffic systems, the USA desperately needs a new nationwide network of Autobahn-style hyperfreeways that is reserved for noncommercial traffic (i.e. no heavy trucks). Also for christ sakes bring back SST planes because we've been stuck at 580 MPH for like 60 loving years. The world needs to look a lot loving more like the Popular Science magazines I read as a teenager. That's great, but you'd need to have properly educated drivers, i.e. more like what Germany does than the maybe 6 hours of instruction the US generally does before sending teenagers out in control of 2 tons of metal. And if you think getting US citizens to do the simple job of wearing a mask to prevent virus transmission during a pandemic is hard, wait until you even suggest that driving isn't a god given right to be handed out to any moron who asks hooboy let me tell ya whut you'd be crucified in front of a DMV mighty fast. And that of course assumes these properly educated drivers aren't glancing at their phones. But yes, it would be great if we could drive the 150 mph that modern cars can achieve (well, not the shitboxes obviously) instead of being stuck at 70. As far as SST, there are a couple companies developing new ones but they keep claiming it's only a few years away. So, 2040.
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