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Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012


big endorsement for Soviet Style propaganda

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

what more did Bolton want Trump to do to Venezuela? Literally the only thing the US hasn't done is open war.

Also Hillary at least won the popular vote in a national election, Guaido never even ran in a national election.

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??


Lmao

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Atrocious Joe posted:

what more did Bolton want Trump to do to Venezuela? Literally the only thing the US hasn't done is open war.

Also Hillary at least won the popular vote in a national election, Guaido never even ran in a national election.

he probably wanted a coup instead of whatever guaidos been doing

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

SorePotato posted:

big endorsement for Soviet Style propaganda

you mean PROGANDA

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Lightning Knight posted:

you mean PROGANDA

oh of course its misspelled

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

lol maddow is going to start cheering for john bolton and bombing venezuela again
https://twitter.com/maxblumenthal/status/1124515176194150401

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Once the initial Coup failed Trump probably checked out as he does

Bolton just understands what buttons to press to get pins to agree with him

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

SorePotato posted:

he probably wanted a coup instead of whatever guaidos been doing

he tried a coup at least two times. they were bad coup attempts, but they were still attempts.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

since guaido was calling for the US to invade and bomb venezuela, i assume john bolton, elliott abrams, et al were also internally supportive of this idea

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Bolton believes in the Monroe Doctrine. he praised Reagan's foreign policy in south and central America.
he has stated this as national security advisor.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNSotu/status/1102218190644498433

quote:

“I think it's separate,” Bolton said on State of the Union when Tapper asked about the U.S.’s support for brutal regimes in other parts of the world. “This is a country in our hemisphere. It's been the objective of American presidents going back to Ronald Reagan to have a completely democratic hemisphere.” Bolton added, “I mentioned at the end of last year that we're looking at the ‘Troika of Tyranny,’ including Cuba, Nicaragua as well as Maduro. 

he wants nothing more than to drone strike Maduro and have tanks rolling down the streets of Caracas, death squads pulling women and children from their homes for not be deferential enough to US interests. he HATES Cuba, and the Bay of Pigs is still probably fresh in his mind.

the enemy of your enemy is not your friend. John bolton is not your friend.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/1273327177552015360?p=v

quote:

In one May 2019 phone call, for example, Russian President Vladimir Putin compared Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó to 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Clinton, part of what Bolton terms a “brilliant display of Soviet style proganda” to shore up support for Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro. Putin’s claims, Bolton writes, “largely persuaded Trump.”

quote:

For instance, driven by a desire to please Florida Republicans, Trump talked tough about his desire to oust Maduro throughout much of 2018. But Bolton portrays Trump as inconsistent and worry-worn when presented with the opportunity to support Guaidó, who declared himself Venezuela’s president in January 2019. Though Trump approved of a proposal from Bolton to publicly declare the United States recognized Guaidó rather than Maduro, within 30 hours Trump was already worrying that Guaidó appeared weak — a “kid” compared to “tough” Maduro — and considering changing course. “You couldn’t make this up,” Bolton writes.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Atrocious Joe posted:

what more did Bolton want Trump to do to Venezuela?

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006



my god, it's full of stars

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

trump can smell a jeb a mile away

cool dance moves
Aug 27, 2018



What I'm getting from all this Bolton hooey is that Trump may be the smartest man in the room :ironicat:

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
every single time the libs get mad at trump because of foreign policy it's because he's not mindlessly belligerent enough for their tastes lmao

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1273580464171814912?s=19

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Basura Communications

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

uh wouldnt it make more sense to just spend that money on improving the response instead

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat

Some Guy TT posted:

uh wouldnt it make more sense to just spend that money on improving the response instead

pr helps investors now

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Cerebral Bore posted:

every single time the libs get mad at trump because of foreign policy it's because he's not mindlessly belligerent enough for their tastes lmao
im still sticking to my guns that trump was the more dovish candidate even though we can't peer into the other timeline

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
I mean he did attempt coups in like three different countries That take seems more contrarian than anything.

at this point for coups I don’t think who is president really matters, it’s more inertia than anything

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean he did attempt coups in like three different countries That take seems more contrarian than anything.

at this point for coups I don’t think who is president really matters, it’s more inertia than anything

Obama succeeded in coups in a bunch of countries, including Honduras, Brazil and Paraguay, so...

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

joepinetree posted:

Obama succeeded in coups in a bunch of countries, including Honduras, Brazil and Paraguay, so...

which was my point

the state department seems to function basically independently on these things.

the only real difference is a president that would actually try and stop them but lol if you believe that

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

trump is also continuing the genocide in yemen that started under obama

even still, more dovish is a relative term and trump hasnt pulled a libya or iraq in his first term like his predecessors and is less bloodthirsty than the liberal media and pundits want him to be. it's not contrarianism at all unless you are a moron who thinks libya was a nothingburger

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Trump betrayed Kurdistan

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1272574883650772992?s=20
https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1273270083280867328?s=20
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1273724528611471365?s=20

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

they can smell the us's blood in the water and im here for it, personally

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
lol people are calling Boots racist for saying that the people speaking English in Venezuela (especially on twitter) are upper class

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
https://twitter.com/MPaarlberg/status/1273697240943648768?s=20

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol this is extremely believable of trump

https://twitter.com/MPaarlberg/status/1273704991447023618?s=20

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010


lol goddamn :trumppop:

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010


haha gotem

:smugdon:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1273751525060423681

Ah heck the people at USAID might be racists???

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Been said before, but of the things Trump is actually good at is being a catty bitch

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
trump does have a natural talent for sensing weakness in others and as a result his take on what was going on in venezuela was pretty spot on

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

CharlestheHammer posted:

lol people are calling Boots racist for saying that the people speaking English in Venezuela (especially on twitter) are upper class

saw that tweet and there was a lady calling herself lower class inthe replies, criticizing boots
then boots googled her neighbourhood and it's gated houses with verandas and poo poo
she kept replying "my house isn't like that! i can send you pics and video! blah blah blah" but never sent any pics or vids lmao

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Stairmaster posted:

they can smell the us's blood in the water and im here for it, personally

at some point the number of countries the us sanctions are going to reach a critical mass and just inadvertently create a viable segment of the world economy independent of the us right?

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1273751525060423681

Ah heck the people at USAID might be racists???

hmmmmm

https://twitter.com/MPaarlberg/status/1273704113377853442

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