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Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I teach at a British curriculum school and teachers set exams and students write them.

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Nicodemus Dumps
Jan 9, 2006

Just chillin' in the sink

BBC News - John Bolton: Trump sought Xi's help with re-election
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53086042

quote:

"Trump, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming US presidential election [in 2020], alluding to China's economic capability and pleading with Xi to ensure he'd win," Mr Bolton said.

"He stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome."

When Mr Xi agreed to make discussions on farm products a priority in trade talks, Mr Trump called him "the greatest leader in Chinese history".

quote:

Mr Bolton also mentions an earlier conversation at the summit's opening dinner, in which they discuss the building of camps in China's western Xinjiang region.

Mr Trump said the construction should go ahead as it was "the right thing to do".

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
gently caress bolton so hard

Kangxi
Nov 12, 2016

"Too paranoid for you?"
"Not me, paranoia's the garlic in life's kitchen, right, you can never have too much."
bolton is a stupendous rear end in a top hat by basically any standard. reagan-era officials have gone and said he's a poisonous fucker

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Kangxi posted:

bolton is a stupendous rear end in a top hat by basically any standard. reagan-era officials have gone and said he's a poisonous fucker

yeah the current crop of the GOP is such an abomination that its tempting to look back on G W with a little rose colored glasses but its important to remember john bolton and the other W era republicans are absolute lowlife human garbage in their own right

Marcade
Jun 11, 2006


Who are you to glizzy gobble El Vago's marshmussy?

Finally something republicans and democrats can agree on, gently caress Bolton.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Another thing we can agree on:

quote:

When he arrived at the White House, Mr Bolton said Mr Kelly warned him: "You can't imagine how desperate I am to get out of here. This is a bad place to work, as you will find out."

During Mr Trump's 2018 meeting with North Korea's leader, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo passed Mr Bolton a note about the president that said: "He is so full of poo poo."

He writes that Mr Pompeo, often described as a Trump loyalist, was among aides who considered resigning in disgust in frustration at working for the president.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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It's amazing how literally everybody hates Trump but won't impeach

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Fojar38 posted:

It's amazing how literally everybody hates Trump but won't impeach

Why would they want to though?

Seriously they make more money and gain more seats while he’s in power.

The Democratic Party has like 0 incentive to see trump removed from office.

If they really wanted trump out they certainly wouldn’t have run Biden lol.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Blistex posted:

Being a Chinese national is going to be a massive red flag (lol) to be allowed into various levels of research and development in the west now that it's been shown on multiple . . . . oh wait! China and Chinese universities pay money.
In our part of the woods chinese nationals are effectively soft-banned from a whole bunch of sectors.

You want to do theoretical physics, come on in. You want to work for a PV group? Eeeeh, maybe not.

The junk collector
Aug 10, 2005
Hey do you want that motherboard?

evil_bunnY posted:

In our part of the woods chinese nationals are effectively soft-banned from a whole bunch of sectors.

You want to do theoretical physics, come on in. You want to work for a PV group? Eeeeh, maybe not.

I've dealt with a lot of universities and it's almost sad when they will have graduate departments that are >90% foreign nationals and the professors can't take on any students for research because it's restricted to US citizens (DoD funded and the like).

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Fojar38 posted:

It's amazing how literally everybody hates Trump but won't impeach
They did impeach...? McConnell just wouldn't remove. Trump will (hopefully) be gone this fall but McConnell will ruin multiple generations of American democracy.

MarcusSA posted:

If they really wanted trump out they certainly wouldn’t have run Biden lol.
I can't wait for all the people who were too pure to vote Biden but whine about whatever Trump does the night of his second inauguration (or however long it takes to convince him he won't get a third term).

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Jun 18, 2020

BigSexy
Apr 21, 2020
Democrats seem inept on a large scale. For whatever reason they can’t get organized to vote for a candidate. There’s no reason trump should have been elected, and I read an interview with a black guy who said he wasn’t planning to vote at all, but now is voting for Biden due to BLM?! I’ve talked with others who don’t want to vote bc they don’t want Biden. It doesn’t matter at this point, 2 party system is many times choosing the lesser evil. I don’t know why Democrat’s can’t see this. Also running Hillary bc she had the DNC by the balls lol

I say this as a non-republican and will be voting for Biden

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

Abolish parties and political advertising. Create a special extrajudicial system run by an autonomous computer that will judge whether or not a candidate broke the advertising rule. Make the punishment mandatory statelessness for the entire staff and deportation to a random place on the globe where it's nothing but wilderness for hundreds of miles, and it's in a country where they don't speak the language. Refuse taking them back at all costs.

We must compete with China in this new Chinese century, and that involves one upping them at every step.

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Shumagorath posted:

They did impeach...? McConnell just wouldn't remove. Trump will (hopefully) be gone this fall but McConnell will ruin multiple generations of American democracy.

I can't wait for all the people who were too pure to vote Biden but whine about whatever Trump does the night of his second inauguration (or however long it takes to convince him he won't get a third term).

The US is the right combination of apathetic and viciously stupid enough to vote in Trump again. The second option is Biden wins and Trump simply doesn't leave office,with the Dems being useless about it.

This is, of course, with the assumption that elections will be held in November.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
I feel like left-leaning voters are inherently plagued by their desire to play Who Is Most Woke / Most Intersectionally Oppressed well past the point of diminishing returns. 20k people being too pure to strategically vote for Hillary and choosing Stein / Johnson is one of the many reasons we have President Trump.

Hilary and Biden were/are not ideal candidates but faced with a literal bigot failson as commander in chief maybe that calls for some enemy-of-my-enemy thinking. The less awful candidate might even listen to your side of the culture war!

Dont Touch ME posted:

Abolish parties and political advertising. Create a special extrajudicial system run by an autonomous computer that will judge whether or not a candidate broke the advertising rule. Make the punishment mandatory statelessness for the entire staff and deportation to a random place on the globe where it's nothing but wilderness for hundreds of miles, and it's in a country where they don't speak the language. Refuse taking them back at all costs.

We must compete with China in this new Chinese century, and that involves one upping them at every step.
Drunk Deus Ex Endings itt

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own
Edit: double post. Sorry.

Okuteru fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Jun 18, 2020

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


Forceholy posted:

The US is the right combination of apathetic and viciously stupid enough to vote in Trump again. The second option is Biden wins and Trump simply doesn't leave office,with the Dems being useless about it.

This is, of course, with the assumption that elections will be held in November.

People keep saying this but like there's no basis for it.

If Trump refuses to leave the White House he still constitutionally ceases to be President on Jan 20th, 2021. The Secret Service can presumably forceably throw him out or shoot him for trespassing or whatever then.

If elections are cancelled, which they literally never have been and I'm pretty sure there isn't even a mechanism for, Trump still ceases to be President on January 20th, 2021. If no new President/Vice President was elected then it just automatically passes to the next person in the order of succession. Which if I recall, is Nancy Pelosi lol.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

People keep saying this but like there's no basis for it.

If Trump refuses to leave the White House he still constitutionally ceases to be President on Jan 20th, 2021. The Secret Service can presumably forceably throw him out or shoot him for trespassing or whatever then.

If elections are cancelled, which they literally never have been and I'm pretty sure there isn't even a mechanism for, Trump still ceases to be President on January 20th, 2021. If no new President/Vice President was elected then it just automatically passes to the next person in the order of succession. Which if I recall, is Nancy Pelosi lol.

It was crazy paranoia when conservatives mumbled about Obama refusing to leave office in 2012 and 2016, presumably declaring himself king? This time, though, it's just good sense!!!!!

GPF
Jul 20, 2000

Kidney Buddies
Oven Wrangler

Pham Nuwen posted:

It was crazy paranoia when conservatives mumbled about Obama refusing to leave office in 2012 and 2016, presumably declaring himself king? This time, though, it's just good sense!!!!!

For every stupid idea, there is an equal and opposite stupid idea.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Pham Nuwen posted:

It was crazy paranoia when conservatives mumbled about Obama refusing to leave office in 2012 and 2016, presumably declaring himself king? This time, though, it's just good sense!!!!!

Every time conservatives tell you their fear they're really telling you their plan

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

GPF posted:

For every stupid idea, there is an equal and opposite stupid idea.

It's dipshits all the way down.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



GotLag posted:

Every time conservatives tell you their fear they're really telling you their plan

All this time they've been planning to get gay married to a black muslim, how have I been so blind

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all

Pham Nuwen posted:

All this time they've been planning to get gay married to a black muslim, how have I been so blind

No, their policies were to stop marriage equality and to ban "religious fanatic immigrants" from entering the country. Their fear was that expanding the definition of marriage would let them marry or gently caress animals and children (their slippery slope argument) and that Muslim immigrants would somehow magically create a theocracy that would replace their own.

Atlas Hugged fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Jun 19, 2020

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Don't forget Hillary would have gone to war with Iran, so as a foreigner I'm glad she lost.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
gonna announce these espionage charges in a tweet nbd

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kovrig-spavor-china-espionage-1.5618674

quote:

Meng was released on $10 million bail and has been living for the past year and a half under a form of house arrest in one of two homes she owns on Vancouver's west side.

In China, Kovrig and Spavor remain in solitary confinement. Neither man has been seen by Canadian consular officials since January.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jun 19, 2020

nong
Apr 20, 2016

Never Forget
The Century Of National Humiliation.

yaffle posted:

Our school fed us all salmon at an end of term dinner literally a week ago, no symptoms yet.

The current rumor is that the truck they used for transporting fishes/meat for that market was used for transporting covid bodies. Seems more likely than foreign sources due to the chabudo culture :effort:

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
it seems the virus likes high humidity, low temp environments. so if someone just sneezed on a cutting board in a fish area it could persist for a long time and spread well

edit: :siren::siren: NK news! this could be big :siren::siren:

https://twitter.com/alistaircoleman/status/1273877875633131521?s=20

carp... namgang style?!?!

Mozi fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jun 19, 2020

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
... reduced to eating goldfish?

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Shumagorath posted:

I feel like left-leaning voters are inherently plagued by their desire to play Who Is Most Woke / Most Intersectionally Oppressed well past the point of diminishing returns. 20k people being too pure to strategically vote for Hillary and choosing Stein / Johnson is one of the many reasons we have President Trump.

Two years ago I was listening to CBC radio while driving somewhere and they had a guest who was a big feminist trailblazer in the late 60s to the present day, who they were interviewing about why women voted for Trump despite it being (somewhat apparent that it was) against their best interests. Anyway, she was addressing the fractured nature of the left, and especially how extreme it gets when moving further left along the political scale. She cited a somewhat extreme (but in her opinion relevant) example of her observing this phenomenon years earlier before woke culture had a name (I don't believe she used the term woke).

She was one of the main organizers/MCs/speakers for this big feminist conference in the US back in the very early 2000s. There were about 500 people in the room, and she started the conference off with an explanation of why they were there, an introduction of herself and her history, and started talking about issues affecting feminists in the (then) present day). Two minutes into the presentation she's interrupted by an audience member who says that what she was talking about wasn't representative of all feminists. The host apologized, re-worded, and continued. A few minutes later she's interrupted again by another audience member who says the same thing. During this derail more people start voicing their objections because they don't believe that whatever she is saying is representative of then (it was the literal introduction to her lecture, and she was generalizing the fight up until present day). The host stops the lecture, and asks the audience to split off into groups that they feel are accurate representations of groups that they identify as, and represent their specific needs.

Immediately the audience starts to divide between white women and POC. Before they even fully separate into these two groups the POC group further divides into more and more specific racial groups. She notices on the white side that they've already started to divide into "regular" and "larger" body sizes. The groups make a few more obvious divisions (she notes body modification, long and short hair, physical disabilities, etc.). After these groups have been established they start talking within themselves and every minute or so there would be another division (LGBT) was another quick one. After about 15 minutes the audience appeared to be satisfied. She noted that it appeared that 1/3 of the room were making it very clear that they were standing alone, and that nobody else had enough in common with them to form a group. The remaining 2/3 of the room were separated into groups ranging from 15 to 2, with no groups appearing to be larger than that. When she started walking around talking with the people they were identifying with their immigrant status, socio-economic status, survivors of abuse, childhood upbringing, rural, urban, etc. It was at that point that she said she started to become disillusioned with the modern feminist movement, and that in her opinion it was more about "me me me" and not about " us us us". People didn't want to address the bigger issues, they only wanted to focus on their very specific and personal issues, which in a lot of cases were not even feminist related, and were veering into much different issues and topics. She said that about half of the room (in her opinion) had totally lost to point of the discussion. While it's an extreme case, I think it's semi-representative of how the left is more apt to take their own personal issues and put them before the party, even if it means the possibility of their party losing because of it.

One thing that I am eternally thankful for (with regards to the massive cultural divide between China and the rest of the world) is that it prevents or at the very least severely hinders their ability to divide and conquer online via social media like Russia has been attempting. The money and manpower they could throw at the internet to really gently caress over the voting population of various countries who are semi-susceptible to facebook/twitter opinions could be a real factor were our societal norms not so alien to them.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
My favourite example of that has to be seeing "Canada Out Of Afghanistan" signs at a rally about tuition affordability in front of the Ontario legislature.

For anyone who doesn't already know: the province can do exactly jack poo poo about where the federal government is sending troops.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jun 19, 2020

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Blistex posted:

Two years ago I was listening to CBC radio while driving somewhere and they had a guest who was a big feminist trailblazer in the late 60s to the present day, who they were interviewing about why women voted for Trump despite it being (somewhat apparent that it was) against their best interests. Anyway, she was addressing the fractured nature of the left, and especially how extreme it gets when moving further left along the political scale. She cited a somewhat extreme (but in her opinion relevant) example of her observing this phenomenon years earlier before woke culture had a name (I don't believe she used the term woke).

She was one of the main organizers/MCs/speakers for this big feminist conference in the US back in the very early 2000s. There were about 500 people in the room, and she started the conference off with an explanation of why they were there, an introduction of herself and her history, and started talking about issues affecting feminists in the (then) present day). Two minutes into the presentation she's interrupted by an audience member who says that what she was talking about wasn't representative of all feminists. The host apologized, re-worded, and continued. A few minutes later she's interrupted again by another audience member who says the same thing. During this derail more people start voicing their objections because they don't believe that whatever she is saying is representative of then (it was the literal introduction to her lecture, and she was generalizing the fight up until present day). The host stops the lecture, and asks the audience to split off into groups that they feel are accurate representations of groups that they identify as, and represent their specific needs.

Immediately the audience starts to divide between white women and POC. Before they even fully separate into these two groups the POC group further divides into more and more specific racial groups. She notices on the white side that they've already started to divide into "regular" and "larger" body sizes. The groups make a few more obvious divisions (she notes body modification, long and short hair, physical disabilities, etc.). After these groups have been established they start talking within themselves and every minute or so there would be another division (LGBT) was another quick one. After about 15 minutes the audience appeared to be satisfied. She noted that it appeared that 1/3 of the room were making it very clear that they were standing alone, and that nobody else had enough in common with them to form a group. The remaining 2/3 of the room were separated into groups ranging from 15 to 2, with no groups appearing to be larger than that. When she started walking around talking with the people they were identifying with their immigrant status, socio-economic status, survivors of abuse, childhood upbringing, rural, urban, etc. It was at that point that she said she started to become disillusioned with the modern feminist movement, and that in her opinion it was more about "me me me" and not about " us us us". People didn't want to address the bigger issues, they only wanted to focus on their very specific and personal issues, which in a lot of cases were not even feminist related, and were veering into much different issues and topics. She said that about half of the room (in her opinion) had totally lost to point of the discussion. While it's an extreme case, I think it's semi-representative of how the left is more apt to take their own personal issues and put them before the party, even if it means the possibility of their party losing because of it.

The endless division into smaller and smaller intersections of subsets isn't an accident, it's the entire point of woke liberalism. It exists to prevent fellow-feeling except within the tiniest possible groupings, by encouraging people to take on every possible identity except economic class.

Fearless
Sep 3, 2003

DRINK MORE MOXIE


Shumagorath posted:

My favourite example of that has to be seeing "Canada Out Of Afghanistan" signs at a rally about tuition affordability in front of the Ontario legislature.

For anyone who doesn't already know: the province can do exactly jack poo poo about where the federal government is sending troops.

There was a far left mayoral candidate in Fredericton in the early 2000s that ran on a platform that focused heavily on foreign policy. As the locals were primarily concerned about more quotidian topics like potholes, or the state of the bridge connecting the two halves of the city, or even the potholes on the bridge, he didn't win.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

GotLag posted:

The endless division into smaller and smaller intersections of subsets isn't an accident, it's the entire point of woke liberalism. It exists to prevent fellow-feeling except within the tiniest possible groupings, by encouraging people to take on every possible identity except economic class.
My problem with that is woke liberalism has yet to end in cannibalism while ethnically homogeneous (i.e. few subgroups) class warfare has done it a few times.


...unless Big Lurch counts somehow?

Son of Rodney
Feb 22, 2006

ohmygodohmygodohmygod

My personal example of this is when I moved out of a larger shared flat, I introduced my cousin to the former roommates, thinking maybe she could take my room. After a few minutes it turned out that my cousin voted and worked politically for the most left mainstream party in Germany (linke) , who my one feminist roommate also voted and worked for. Just when I thought that's that then, it turned out my cousin liked the current head of the party, and my roommate didn't because of reasons to do with her stance on feminism.

In the end this was the main issue that decided my cousin wasn't going to get the room, the fact that they were both part of the very left party, but were on the opposite spectrum internally. I was pretty annoyed and realized that the left will never be able to truly make sustainable politics because they will always fracture and infight. The right are almost completely dick heads, but they are united in hate.

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

i can't find the trotskyist version, so the christian version'll have to do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3fAcxcxoZ8 (2:43)

vanity slug fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jun 19, 2020

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

I've been looking online lately at some information regarding Taiwan, but I've been getting conflicting information and thought this thread might know better.

I was thinking about moving to Taiwan in 3 month stints until I could get permanent residency after the coronavirus stuff ends. I have a completely remote job for a company that only does business in the US, and I can't get a straight answer on how legal it is to be working remotely in another country, in Taiwan, on a visitor visa.

Some sources say it's perfectly fine and legal. Some sources say that it's not and I need a worker's visa. I don't plan on asking the Taiwanese economy for a job, ever. I know it'd be easy to hide the fact that I'm working over the internet, but I'd like to at least try to do things above board.

The AIT and BOCA's websites haven't been especially helpful in trying to figure out if that's allowed or not.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
illegal but enforcement is impossible iirc

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Horatius Bonar
Sep 8, 2011

It sounds like a fine plan to me, I did it myself for over a year.

Just be aware 3 months is in fact 90 days and don't gently caress up your visa runs by leaving them to the last days like I did.

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