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No doubt, but every country is racist to some degree, the US just has idiosyncratic ways of dealing with that, for better and for worse.
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Like, Europeans talk about Americans being racist, but who do you think they learned it from
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We can all degree that building the foundation of the United States on the backs of African slaves is easily and by far the lowest point of The Simpsons
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Jun 18, 2020 14:47
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bitterandtwisted posted:Arnie Pye's traffic report being called "Arnie in the Sky" is such a great little joke and so typical of the classic era. 
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Jun 18, 2020 15:07
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Phlegmish posted:That's what often makes me uncomfortable when it comes to American media, that laser focus on 'race'. It almost seems indecent somehow. It's like how white American goons on this site are constantly making supposedly self-deprecating jokes about them all smelling like dog and loving mayonnaise XD, and cringe remarks like that seem to come up all the time regardless of context. Whether punching up or down or sideways, it often just seems to loop right back around to essentialism. i have literally no idea what point you are making
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Jun 18, 2020 16:35
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Riptor posted:i have literally no idea what point you are making The Simpsons is bad now
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Jun 18, 2020 16:40
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Phlegmish posted:That's what often makes me uncomfortable when it comes to American media, that laser focus on 'race'. It almost seems indecent somehow. It's like how white American goons on this site are constantly making supposedly self-deprecating jokes about them all smelling like dog and loving mayonnaise XD, and cringe remarks like that seem to come up all the time regardless of context. Whether punching up or down or sideways, it often just seems to loop right back around to essentialism. 
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Jun 18, 2020 16:45
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actually, the real racists are...
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Riptor posted:i have literally no idea what point you are making A bit of a tangent on why certain episodes might not connect with non-Americans. Now, I will briefly provide a historical overview of...... e: it's like the religion-themed Simpsons episodes, they're pretty specific to the US. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Jun 18, 2020 17:43
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Mr Interweb posted:what was it again?
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I remember it being the first time that someone said "even if you get all of Dennis' references, it still makes no goddamned sense."Ghost Leviathan posted:That's basically like half of what Quagmire does it seems. Problem with Family Guy is they don't know when to hold back. It's got basically a Newgrounds sense of humour at this point. There was a season 3 episode that never originally aired (It was on the DVDs, then was eventually aired on Adult Swim) where Peter makes a Jewish friend who helps him to get out of a scam. The Jewish guy then takes Peter to a synagogue after Peter shows that he's ignorant of Jewish culture. Peter then decides after meeting a bunch of successful Jewish people that he wants to convert his son to Judaism. It's all kind of wrapped in this message that among other things, even so-called "positive" stereotypes are harmful and Peter's ignorance is something to look down on. Even the jokes about Jews and Catholics in the episode come from a place where the show is ridiculing ignorance, and I think that's the difference between season 1-3 Family Guy and the later episodes. There's some edge and poorly-aged jokes in those first seasons, but they still have a lot of heart. Modern FG, besides just being mean for the sake of mean, is heartless in a depressing nihilistic sense. Plan Z fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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It's jarring watching how earnest some early family guy episodes can be. Like Brian giving the dying woman a musical sendoff via the VR helmets. There's shockingly little irony to it
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Jun 19, 2020 02:45
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Mods, look. I haven't asked for much in my time here. I've tried to be humble, and I've tried to be considerate, but there's only so much I can stand. I demand my name be changed to "Man... With his Pants Off!"
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Riptor posted:It's jarring watching how earnest some early family guy episodes can be. Like Brian giving the dying woman a musical sendoff via the VR helmets. There's shockingly little irony to it It's like that with early Simpsons too. I don't know what it is with sitcoms that go on too long that they feel the need to be meanspirited.
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Jun 19, 2020 17:02
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There is a trend with later Simpson’s episodes where they take care of an animal only for it to die horribly.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:It's like that with early Simpsons too. I don't know what it is with sitcoms that go on too long that they feel the need to be meanspirited. Both The Simpsons and Family Guy are making fun of a type of sitcom that have completely vanished. That period from Andy Griffith through, like, The Cosby Show when "mildly pleasant" was the vibe every family sitcom went for. Roseanne and Married with Children tore that apart and also kinda returned the sitcom to its roots of The Honeymooners and I Love Lucy, where most jokes are family members making GBS threads on each other. During The Simpsons and Family Guy's runs, the last of the pleasant family sitcoms (which I guess would be like Family Matters and Step By Step) disappeared, and now the show's mocking what? The audience has no frame of reference for those jokes anymore, so they just become more standard shows that fit in with every other show on TV.
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PostNouveau posted:Both The Simpsons and Family Guy are making fun of a type of sitcom that have completely vanished. That period from Andy Griffith through, like, The Cosby Show when "mildly pleasant" was the vibe every family sitcom went for. Part of why American Dad's funniest seasons are its latest are that its gone into mocking itself and other animated sitcoms. Having the b-plot of one episode be the characters freaking out about having Barry and Jeff meet each other for the first time because animated sitcoms inevitably start teaming up super minor characters as they run out of plot ideas, have a b-plot where the characters have two choices and agonize about it because they can only ever do one "thing" each week before getting upset that they picked the wrong one. Its gotten steadily more meta as time goes on to the shows benefit I think.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Part of why American Dad's funniest seasons are its latest are that its gone into mocking itself and other animated sitcoms. Having the b-plot of one episode be the characters freaking out about having Barry and Jeff meet each other for the first time because animated sitcoms inevitably start teaming up super minor characters as they run out of plot ideas, have a b-plot where the characters have two choices and agonize about it because they can only ever do one "thing" each week before getting upset that they picked the wrong one. Its gotten steadily more meta as time goes on to the shows benefit I think. Yeah I thought the most recent episode's deconstruction of the family's dynamics was really funny. The 3 people who are home the most getting super insecure about it and starting a dumb business. They never pointed this out before, but it made things "click" a lot better when Jeff wakes up wondering if he missed The Price is Right.
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I wonder which major demon the creators of American Dad had to make a deal with for the show to have remained so consistent over, what, 17 seasons?
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Communist Walrus posted:I wonder which major demon the creators of American Dad had to make a deal with for the show to have remained so consistent over, what, 17 seasons? The main characters name is Stan, and he has a friend who becomes a Satanist...
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It seems inevitable to the point of overdue to have an animated sitcom start making fun of animated sitcoms.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It seems inevitable to the point of overdue to have an animated sitcom start making fun of animated sitcoms.
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Riptor posted:Like Brian giving the dying woman a musical sendoff via the VR helmets. There's shockingly little irony to it That would have been a moment with heart, but it's Family Guy so they had to go and ruin it immediately with "HEY, ANYBODY WANNA SEE A DEAD BODY?!?!"
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You Are A Elf posted:That would have been a moment with heart, but it's Family Guy so they had to go and ruin it immediately with "HEY, ANYBODY WANNA SEE A DEAD BODY?!?!" Whoops forgot that
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I kind of liked that episode. Where early Simpsons were often too maudlin and sentimental for my taste, I taught Family Guy struck a good balance there. I have no interest in watching current Family Guy, though.
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Daikloktos posted:Bojack Was it, though? For the most part the shows mainly featured are parodies of 90s live action sitcoms, and then go on to Oscar bait movies with Secretariat, and prestige television (and also the show itself) with Philbert.
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Jun 21, 2020 11:35
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the most important part of the Simpsons' legacy: it's effect on regional variations on "Jingle Bells Batman Smells" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5u9JSnAAU4&t=618s
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ah that one. seems it was before i knew who the hell dennis miller actually was.
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Lowest point was when Lowtax beat a woman, again.
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No that episode won't be coming out until five years from now
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I actually never liked the episode where Homer bankrupts his half brothers car company.
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Crowsbeak posted:I actually never liked the episode where Homer bankrupts his half brothers car company. Herb had no right to blame Homer for that. His engineers tried to warn him, and he knew well that Homer knew jack-poo poo about designing a car. He dismissed all that out of hand and just charged forward, even publicly revealing the car having never even seen it himself. Herb was an idiot.
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The Bible posted:Herb had no right to blame Homer for that. They even joke about this in the audio commentary.
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Bronze Fonz posted:Lowest point was when Lowtax beat a woman, again. Oh, and since you're going to remember it out of the blue one day among the million other memories of this site, it's important to me you know for sure - Man With His Pants Off was 100% a real story
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bitterandtwisted posted:the most important part of the Simpsons' legacy: it's effect on regional variations on "Jingle Bells Batman Smells" I'm still confused he never talked about the very first Simpsons episode, as opposed to $pringfield. That's where I learned that version.
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DENTAL PLAN! LOWTAX BEATS WOMEN! DENTAL PLAN! LOWTAX BEATS WOMEN!
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The Bible posted:Herb had no right to blame Homer for that. A CEO who's a dumbass who stumbled into success off of other peoples' smarts? How unbelievable!
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Herb's return to success was also pretty questionable. I mean I guess he used ingenuity, but you could also look at the baby translator invention as a huge scam to rip off new parents.
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iamsosmrt posted:Herb's return to success was also pretty questionable. I mean I guess he used ingenuity, but you could also look at the baby translator invention as a huge scam to rip off new parents. thats probably the most realistic thing about the entire episode
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charity rereg posted:thats probably the most realistic thing about the entire episode You mean the scam part of the actual device? It worked in canon right? I only made the scam observation on a recent re-watch under the lens of a cynical adult.
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