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There is nothing that this game gains by the disjointed narrative.
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So glad I read this thread, was almost about to buy this game lmao The other thread is just shutting down any criticism because God forbid you criticize anything anymore.
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Jun 19, 2020 04:38
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the_enduser posted:So glad I read this thread, was almost about to buy this game lmao Saying you think this game is bad is considered a spoiler anywhere but this thread.
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Jun 19, 2020 04:47
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There is no need for thread fuckery
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Jun 19, 2020 04:47
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i hope the people who bought this game enjoy it as much as i've enjoyed making fun of it 
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Jun 19, 2020 04:48
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lurker2006 posted:Give her fungal powers. She can grow mushroom fingers and use spore breath as an area denial tool. fungus queen ellie would be good too, yes
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Jun 19, 2020 04:49
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maybe they're trying to do what nier automata did in route C with a disjointed narrative of 2 protagonists antagonizing one another
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Jun 19, 2020 04:49
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Really the idea of playing as two people who are each others' antagonists is pretty rad, it's just that, well, it's a pretty loving tough sell when you introduce one of them by having her brutally kill the main character from the first game whom you've presumably come to care about by now if you're playing the sequel in the first place.
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Jun 19, 2020 04:51
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Onmi posted:The best bit is Abby isn't just responisble for the fingers and Joel she directly headshots the third part of the Ellie/Dina/Jesse love triangle and kills him too. Hey, so I don't know if this is the place for good-faith arguments -- if the fan reaction to DMC is any indication, it's going to be a long time before the gaming community at large will be able to have useful conversations about the game, warts and all -- but I'm going to try regardless... I have difficulty seeing Abby as the kind of person who gets everything she wants, given that what she really wanted was her Dad not to be killed by a cavalier, self-destructive, bad faith actor while he, Abby's father, was attempting to save the world. And she presumably didn't want to have her friends killed or to be strangled or crucified either. She ends up malnourished and isolated, with no food or support and a very sick friend dependent on her. It's funny, and probably not a coincidence, that a lot of this loving tribalism -- with the finger memes and the loving memes and transmisogyny and tactical realism arguments -- ends up just coming across as an enormous wall of barely directed rage. It's not even particularly informed rage; and it's clear that it's been consistently co-opted by bad faith rumour mongering and personal vendettas. If anything it just lends The Last of Us Part 2 the ironic success of being art, given how closely it ended up resembling life. A fictional character died and people lost their minds. I know the word fan comes from fanatic, but I really wish people would just stick to the fan part from now on, ta muchly.
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Jun 19, 2020 04:53
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So in TLOU 3 when we have QTE to skin someone alive for misery porn should it be button prompts or motion controls?
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Jun 19, 2020 04:56
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Yeah I'm not sure it makes sense to say Abby gets everything she wants. She gets her revenge and walks away with her life, but only barely, and she loses drat near everything else in the process. I'd say both she and Ellie are probably pretty destroyed by the end.
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Jun 19, 2020 04:57
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please stop using the phrase bad faith
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Jun 19, 2020 04:58
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Fat_Cow posted:So in TLOU 3 when we have QTE to skin someone alive for misery porn should it be button prompts or motion controls? Motion controls, with periodic button prompts for a QTE to keep forcing the victim's crying and screaming 10 year old kid watch the execution. hire me, Neil
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Jun 19, 2020 05:01
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Fat_Cow posted:So in TLOU 3 when we have QTE to skin someone alive for misery porn should it be button prompts or motion controls?
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Jun 19, 2020 05:01
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Harrow posted:Yeah I'm not sure it makes sense to say Abby gets everything she wants. She gets her revenge and walks away with her life, but only barely, and she loses drat near everything else in the process. I'd say both she and Ellie are probably pretty destroyed by the end. Abby has her fingers and her SO. And then they drive home that Ellie can't even use the one thing she has left from her own dad(I mean she could, but the game decides she doesn't care enough to actually try I guess). Abby would only be equally destroyed if there's a post credits where Lev decides he doesn't want to be with someone so angry, and also she somehow loses her thumb by catching it in the outbound motor, and now she can't use her favorite piece of workout equipment so she decides she can never work out again.* *this isn't a dumb "trans" thing I'm just saying she clearly likes working out Actually that scene would be stupid as hell but it would be funny enough to redeem a lot of things Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Jun 19, 2020 05:03
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Bonaventure posted:please stop using the phrase bad faith I mean I think he used it because Joel claiming he's murdering folks to protect Ellie but is just selfishly attempting to hold on to his surrogate daughter is a bad faith justification. But even given that, does Abby know that? Joel's state of mind doesn't seem very relevant to the plot at all. Maybe to the prologue that they've become isolated?
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Jun 19, 2020 05:03
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MJBuddy posted:Joel claiming he's murdering folks to protect Ellie but is just selfishly attempting to hold on to his surrogate daughter.
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Jun 19, 2020 05:08
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Yeah probably. I was trying to give it a best effort reading but I still don't think it factors into anything in the sequel.
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Jun 19, 2020 05:11
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Harrow posted:Really the idea of playing as two people who are each others' antagonists is pretty rad, it's just that, well, it's a pretty loving tough sell when you introduce one of them by having her brutally kill the main character from the first game whom you've presumably come to care about by now if you're playing the sequel in the first place. A scenario like that really can work! It's just not easy, it doesn't seem that ND succeeds in telling that story, and psychotic gamer goons have zero interest in the attempt to honestly engage with the story Ergo: Open Source Idiom posted:if the fan reaction to DMC is any indication, it's going to be a long time before the gaming community at large will be able to have useful conversations about the game
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Jun 19, 2020 05:13
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Nail Rat posted:Abby has her fingers and her SO. And then they drive home that Ellie can't even use the one thing she has left from her own dad(I mean she could, but the game decides she doesn't care enough to actually try I guess). The game is so mean to Ellie in comparison to Abby which is why you're getting the Abby always wins jokes. Yes people get that it's supposed to be they are both destroyed by revenge but when you actually look at what they have left Abby at least has someone to lean on emotionally and hasn't been robbed of a thing she liked to do that held positive memories for her
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Jun 19, 2020 05:13
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something being bad and being made fun of doesn't make it art. see: loss.jpg e: also DmC is trash, do I have to post the sniper rifle abortion because I will
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Jun 19, 2020 05:15
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making fun of clumsy art emboldens the enemy
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Jun 19, 2020 05:16
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Grapplejack posted:something being bad and being made fun of doesn't make it art. see: loss.jpg Now, now, loss.jpg is definitely art, it's just bad, terrible, pretentious, sanctimonious, contemptible, laughable art. Like TLOU 1 and 2.
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Jun 19, 2020 05:17
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Grapplejack posted:something being bad and being made fun of doesn't make it art. see: loss.jpg but loss.jpg is art
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Jun 19, 2020 05:18
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I liked tlou1
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Jun 19, 2020 05:18
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Phobophilia posted:A scenario like that really can work! It's just not easy, it doesn't seem that ND succeeds in telling that story, and psychotic gamer goons have zero interest in the attempt to honestly engage with the story It's one of those things that takes a ton of guts to attempt, yeah, and it could absolutely paid off. Really I know I can't judge a game based on scattered scenes I watched on YouTube and I'm not going to play it any time soon but it definitely seems like this well was sorta poisoned long ago. The marketing wasn't doing them any favors, and then the leak kinda shot whatever chance was left.
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Jun 19, 2020 05:19
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Grapplejack posted:something being bad and being made fun of doesn't make it art. see: loss.jpg The only thing that got better about that game with time was the combat, because they fixed it in a later version. The story, characters and behind-the-scenes stuff remains as terrible now as it did on release.
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Jun 19, 2020 05:35
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Gabby_Jay posted:The only thing that got better about that game with time was the combat, because they fixed it in a later version. The story, characters and behind-the-scenes stuff remains as terrible now as it did on release. It did give us this as direct response to their lovely marketing, so when you think about it, it wasn't all bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV9LyYzLUyQ
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Jun 19, 2020 05:46
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Bonaventure posted:i hope the people who bought this game enjoy it as much as i've enjoyed making fun of it It's great material for jokes and it also looks fun I can't wait to get drunk and play it with a friend later Zeta Acosta posted:I liked tlou1 I bounced off it a couple times but have been playing it the last couple days and I'm almost at the end, it's pretty good
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Jun 19, 2020 05:50
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feels to me that final flashback was a pointed gently caress off to people who wanna pretend the sequel isnt a thing by removing all nuance from the firsts ending
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Jun 19, 2020 05:55
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Eimi posted:It did give us this as direct response to their lovely marketing, so when you think about it, it wasn't all bad. DMC5 delivered in all respects. Oh man, does this make TLoU2 the DMC2 of videogames?
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Jun 19, 2020 06:02
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It wishes it could wallow in the dankest corner of Donte’s trailer.
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Jun 19, 2020 06:27
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Jun 19, 2020 06:34
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the name by the way is abby but you can call me abby the joel killer you ugly sack of poo poo!!!
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Jun 19, 2020 06:34
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Grapplejack posted:something being bad and being made fun of doesn't make it art. I'd absolutely agree that something being poor quality doesn't make it particularly artful -- though I'd separate that from the raw definition of the term "art". I didn't mean to give the impression that was my argument. I was just pointing out that the Last Of Us Part 2 has Joel's death spur a cycle of pointless violence and anger, and that it caused a lot of nonproductive anger in the real world too. I think that's kind of funny, particularly since I'm seeing some of the "Are Games Art?" discourse popping up again, in this thread and elsewhere. Though I guess it never really went away?
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Jun 19, 2020 06:38
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I don't think this was intentional, the intent was to make something with broad appeal to both being woke (queer female protagonist) and edgy (ridiculous levels of cruelty and violence). Except the chuds are mad at the attempt at wokeness and reading the story through the most ridiculously decontextualized lens possible, and the wokes aren't happy that the story is completely 2edgy4u.
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Jun 19, 2020 06:51
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https://twitter.com/dhindes/status/1273825630123986944
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Jun 19, 2020 07:34
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It's a specialised animation for a specific moment. It's good but it's not mindblowing. When games can do it dynamically, i'll be impressed then.
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Jun 19, 2020 07:39
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So I pretty much only lurk, but I've had an LP of the first 4-5 hours of the game on for background noise while doing work. It feels like any other ND title, honestly. Nothing about strikes me as overly edgy or violent when compared to other titles out these days. The writing is also really mediocre (again, pretty much on par with other ND games). The first time you play as Abby has some painfully bad writing and acting Of course, all of this is subject to change as the game goes on. To be honest, much of the stuff surrounding this game reminds me of when Joker came out. Some people said it was the greatest thing ever; others criticized it as edge-lord tripe and the worst thing ever. I never saw it, but people whose opinions I generally agree with told me that it was a pretty mediocre and forgettable movie with some great performances. TLOU 2 seems to be pretty much this. (big spoiler for first 2-3 hours of the game) Joel's death happens very close to the beginning of the game, and the entire sequence is pretty short. It also didn't seem excessively violent. Maybe just because of all the hype surrounding the leaks, I thought it was going to be horrific, over-the-top, drawn-out sequence and that we were going to play as Abby bashing in his skull or something. Maybe I'm desensitized, but I just kind of thought, "that's it?" It didn't get a reaction out of me at all. So it seems to me that it's just run-of-the-mill mediocre AAA game that doesn't deserve the praise or the scorn its getting, simply because its mediocrity doesn't even merit a discussion in the first place. If this had been a title unconnected with ND or TLOU franchise, it would probably be forgotten pretty quickly. Anyone else has had such a reaction?
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