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Stairmaster posted:tbh it seems more useful than the battleships in uc. Basically the only reason it was as successful as it was happened to be it was an unknown unit appearing suddenly and with the ability to repel the most common weapon at the time. Missiles and bazookas would have eaten it for breakfast. It was heavily armored but honestly a squadron of Balls focusing firing on it probably would have wrecked its day.
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chiasaur11 posted:Okay, I see Turn A, and the original, but... I'm not seeing a third best Gundam. Is there like a magic eye thing to see Mika or Domon? This is a correct take.
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Jun 18, 2020 22:45
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chiasaur11 posted:Okay, I see Turn A, and the original, but... I'm not seeing a third best Gundam. Is there like a magic eye thing to see Mika or Domon? This G-Self erasure must end! Our Ver Ka is surely on the way!
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Stairmaster posted:tbh it seems more useful than the battleships in uc. Battleships can carry and maintain mobile suits from point A to point B and provide artillery support. They're vulnerable to MS attacks, but they're incredibly important and integral to mobile suit combat because mobile suits don't have infinite operational time. The Big Zam is a giant piece of poo poo that has a ton of firepower but is basically completely stationary, has huge power generation problems that limit it to about 20 minutes of sustained combat at most, and its primary method of defense, the I-Field, only works against beams and even then doesn't work if the target gets close enough. It killed a bunch of GMs due to sheer "what the gently caress is that" shock/surprise value before it ran into the White Base crew, and even if the White Base crew didn't kill it it would have probably run out of power and gotten dismantled by a pack of Balls or opportunistic GMs. The only mobile armor in original Gundam that is no poo poo a terrifying superweapon is the Elmeth(and I guess the Braw Bro counts since it's pretty much a prototype Elmeth), since the Elmeth's whole MO was "it kills you and your entire unit from so far away that you can't even properly detect it".
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Jun 19, 2020 01:05
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just make mobile suit carriers and have the mobile suits screen the big zams ez
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Jun 19, 2020 01:13
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Or solve the problem the Zeon way: build a Bigger Zam.
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Jun 19, 2020 01:39
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Kanos posted:The only mobile armor in original Gundam that is no poo poo a terrifying superweapon is the Elmeth(and I guess the Braw Bro counts since it's pretty much a prototype Elmeth), since the Elmeth's whole MO was "it kills you and your entire unit from so far away that you can't even properly detect it". It's not exactly a terrifying superweapon, but I'd argue the Bigro is pretty decent as these things go by being a really fast beam equipped assault unit.
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Omnicrom posted:It's not exactly a terrifying superweapon, but I'd argue the Bigro is pretty decent as these things go by being a really fast beam equipped assault unit. The Bigro honestly was kinda crap in an Igloo way. It was mobile and heavily armed but difficult to pilot because of how mobile it was. It was theoretically a ship killer but the difficulty in using it well even in optimal conditions (let alone with actual mobile suit support) kind of mean it's another of Zeon's "We gotta figure out SOMETHING" choices. An ace pilot in a Bigro could probably be terrifying but the issue there is, especially by the time the Bigro was fielded, an ace pilot in a Dom (let alone a Gelgoog) would be way more terrifying and capable and the actual act of destroying a carrier that isn't a White Base in the OYW is not that difficult for a talented pilot so hyper-focusing on ship-killing is basically an expensive waste of cash. The OYW is a pretty good example of the fact that ace pilots thrive either with well-rounded workhorse mecha or with something hyper-tuned their exact specific specifications. Zeon's problem is that they made hyper-tuned mecha but then geared them towards mass production, whereas the Federation basically went "GM, GM with a different gun, GM with TWO different guns, GM with some extra armor..." with a small side helping of "A work pod with a big rear end cannon on it" so even if extremely talented pilots showed up they were in good all-rounder mecha that could be easily customized to focus on a pilot's strengths if necessary.
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Makes it all the more funny that The Origin has the Zakrello of all machines be Zeon's MP Mobile Armor, while the Bigro is a random one-off that only exists for the sake of a couple random gags in the final volume of The Origin
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ImpAtom posted:The Bigro honestly was kinda crap in an Igloo way. It was mobile and heavily armed but difficult to pilot because of how mobile it was. It was theoretically a ship killer but the difficulty in using it well even in optimal conditions (let alone with actual mobile suit support) kind of mean it's another of Zeon's "We gotta figure out SOMETHING" choices. You're not wrong, it's yet another case of how Zeon was the worst enemy of Zeon. Still, the Bigro is leagues beyond half the poo poo in Igloo, at least the Bigro doesn't randomly explode. Also it was a space only Mobile Armor, and while it made sense at the time because by that point Zeon had basically been kicked off Earth the fact that Zeon had basically been kicked off of Earth meant it was too little, too late. drrockso20 posted:Makes it all the more funny that The Origin has the Zakrello of all machines be Zeon's MP Mobile Armor, while the Bigro is a random one-off that only exists for the sake of a couple random gags in the final volume of The Origin The Zakurello fight in the original series is one of my favorites in the series. Amuro gets scraped twice before he jams a Beam Saber through it's reactor and then flies back to the White Base going "Was that it? That was incredibly easy, I wonder what was up with that guy..." Omnicrom fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Jun 19, 2020 06:25
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I wish the Brawrello got more love.
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Jun 19, 2020 07:22
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These are all good suggestions, but they are no Saku boys, no Saku!
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jackhunter64 posted:These are all good suggestions, but they are no Saku boys, no Saku! We should collectively pool our resources to get someone to do similar redesigns of the rest of Zeon's arsenal(maybe the Federation too)
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drrockso20 posted:We should collectively pool our resources to get someone to do similar redesigns of the rest of Zeon's arsenal(maybe the Federation too) You don't need to pay a dollar. If there's a Zeon design out there, there is a Saku variant someone drew. 
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Omnicrom posted:The Zakurello fight in the original series is one of my favorites in the series. Amuro gets scraped twice before he jams a Beam Saber through it's reactor and then flies back to the White Base going "Was that it? That was incredibly easy, I wonder what was up with that guy..." EDIT: I need at least one AU where Frau Bow pilots the Braw Bro.
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I've always been a movie trilogy guy, started watching the full TV version of MSG a couple months back. Guess I'm gonna have to stick with this version if I wanna get to know Zakrello and Bigro! My hands are tied! I did watch the full series for Zeta not the movies though, I'm not a savage. But speaking of, I was thinking of watching the 0083 movie instead of the full 0083, since that's been on my backlog for centuries. I dunno, the art of the compilation movie, it's kind of good sometimes, back in the day at least.
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don't underestimate the zakrello. just don't do it.
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gourdcaptain posted:Also you've got them using the extremely silly Gundam head and torso attached to G-Armor back combo for it on top of Char being informed afterwards that the Zakrello was destroyed and his reaction roughly being "And why the heck would I care about that?" Yas must be a fan of it considering the expanded role he give it in The Origin
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drrockso20 posted:Yas must be a fan of it considering the expanded role he give it in The Origin But does The Origin have them go to Cucruz Doan's Island? :P
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So the origin is a series of ovas but they all had a theatrical premiere correct? Why not call them movies do they lack the poise and gravitas you might expect from film?
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gourdcaptain posted:But does The Origin have them go to Cucruz Doan's Island? :P There's a spin-off manga covering a version of that episode that's also giving them an excuse to tie some MSV designs into The Origin
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Stairmaster posted:So the origin is a series of ovas but they all had a theatrical premiere correct? Why not call them movies do they lack the poise and gravitas you might expect from film? Runtime probably, each OVA episode was about an hour which is kind of short for a movie.
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Stairmaster posted:So the origin is a series of ovas but they all had a theatrical premiere correct? Why not call them movies do they lack the poise and gravitas you might expect from film? Think its about run time. They're somewhere between 50-70 minutes which means a few are feature length, but not really feature storied. They're real pretty tho.
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December sky is considered a movie though right? It's a compilation of OVAs so I should hope so
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ninjewtsu posted:December sky is considered a movie though right? Does it matter?
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It's about what cinematic ambition
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Midjack posted:Does it matter? i mean not really but the distinction is what this conversation was about
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i just started the origin and maybe its the weed but this opening battle is hella badass
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Yo now I see why char was so hosed up
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Stairmaster posted:Yo now I see why char was so hosed up Origins Char was always hosed up (anime even more than in the manga), but yeah. Life was not kind. It's part of why Sayla's an interesting comparison point, because she's a much more normal person shaped by the same circumstances.
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watching origins 1 there seemed to be some deal where sayla was always comforted by her mom and other adults when traumatic poo poo was going down, while char tended to get pushed to the side because he wasn't making a fuss about it. there's an awful lot of shots of char quietly looking to side as his sister is comforted through the trauma while he's ignored, dunno what the proper intention for those shots is though i guess the idea is that he's always kind of had a complex about motherly love even before being separated from his mother, which sayla didn't develop. which i guess helps explain how they both went on such separate paths despite having roughly the same beginning. there was also stuff like char being expected to negotiate with the head of police (kycillia) at 8 years old for whatever reason, i guess the overall point is that char was very quickly forced to grow up and set aside the trauma being inflicted on him while sayla had the freedom and support to actually process it. it seems kinda weird but there's enough scenes where char is the focus as sayla is babied that they have to mean something, or the focus wouldn't be put on him, and this is the best reading i can come up with off the top of my head.
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hold on are they about to do some principal skinner bullshit with this aznable family kid
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Stairmaster posted:hold on are they about to do some principal skinner bullshit with this aznable family kid Correct.
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The Origin Char is much more blatantly nuts than the original, though Novel Char might still edge him out a bit in that area It's honestly one of the big improvements it makes over the original anime
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This is Casval's apartment, Casval's liquor, Casval's copy of Swank, Casval's frozen peas.
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jackhunter64 posted:This is Casval's apartment, Casval's liquor, Casval's copy of Swank, Casval's frozen peas. I dunno. That seems more like Quattro's copy of Swank.
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I'm not sure what's more unnecessary: Kid Casval being able to score perfect shots on three Guntanks and killing soldiers, or Char setting up the fellow cadet who found out his real identity to die despite him supporting Char. Hell, maybe both are unnecessary since we already got those scenes of Char beating up and almost killing a supposed spy in the bar, or taking the real Char's identity and having him die in that shuttle explosion.
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All of those things were sick as hell
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amigolupus posted:I'm not sure what's more unnecessary: Kid Casval being able to score perfect shots on three Guntanks and killing soldiers, or Char setting up the fellow cadet who found out his real identity to die despite him supporting Char. Hell, maybe both are unnecessary since we already got those scenes of Char beating up and almost killing a supposed spy in the bar, or taking the real Char's identity and having him die in that shuttle explosion. Again Char is nuttier than squirrel food, all this stuff just makes it more clear
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The actually unnecessary thing was when kycellia needed to negotiate with the remaining deikuns and rather than have the adult woman speak to them they wheeled out the man of the house: an 8 year old child
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