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violent sex idiot posted:the point was probably rcmp overtime just like the stoners in bc. make up some bullshit investigation to bill 50 extra hours a week to That's fair, I just assumed there would be a reason for why a bunch of people had to die. I didn't think that RCMP were just producing mass shooting psychos simply for the sake of it, but I guess it makes sense.
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Lostconfused posted:Personally I still believe that it's just a direct consequence of those guns being there in the first place, not coincidental. It's like how a government will end up killing someone sooner or later, because that's just what happens when you are maintaining a monopoly on violence. You may have missed the sarcasm in the use of the word "coincidence". While giving a nutjob money to buy guns was very likely to result in someone being killed, that wasn't necessarily the specific intent of giving the nutjob money to buy guns.
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Any normal person who gives (launders) money to someone with a record of domestic abuse, who goes on to domestically abuse someone further using those resources, probably could be convicted of conspiracy, the legal equivalent of vague posting
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infernal machines posted:frankly, i barely knew the guy. we hand out cash to nuts like party favours, this isn't "special" at all Canada: this isn't "special" at all
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The most likely explanation is that the Macleans article was poorly sourced and misreported on the issue and that Wortman accessed the cash through his businesses. An alternative tinfoil hat operation here would be that one of the anonymous sources for that article was intentionally misleading the journalist so that they would write up an explosive sounding claim that would then be dismissed and which would thereby create a fog of confusion around the more mundane but still extremely scandalous story of the RCMP letting this creepy domestic abuser accumulate a cache of weapons and fake police gear. Once the press has been caught reporting a huge piece of 'fake news' it would then be much easier to cover up the fact that the RCMP easily could have prevented this tragedy but failed to do so because they were actually on friendly terms with the killer. I mean don't get me wrong we live in a world where things like government sponsored terrorist attacks absolutely do happen and the RCMP has admitted in court to participating in false flag bombings (albeit non-lethal ones) but I think we need more information before concluding that this money came from the RCMP as opposed to just being Wortman accessing his own assets, which were likely substantial on their own terms.
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Yeah it is all circumstantial evidence. The fact that the New Brunswick RCMP apparently took over dealing with criminal organizations from the NS RCMP means that there isn't some grand conspiracy here, and more likely the various provincial appendages of the RCMP didn't know what the others were up to.
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Yeah it's all circumstantial but tbh the RCMP do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, especially given how secretive they've been about this investigation and how badly they bungled the event itself, almost certainly resulting in people getting killed who could have been saved. I won't be surprised if it turns out the Maclean's article is all bullshit that just obfuscates the fact that the RCMP didn't investigate a known domestic abuser in possession of illegal firearms because they were his friends, but I will also not be surprised if it turns out he was an active participant in an RCMP operation to buy illegal firearms who then used those illegal firearms to kill 22 people.
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vyelkin posted:the RCMP do not deserve the benefit of the doubt,
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for the record I don’t think it was a planned and purposeful attack (like the BC legislature bomb plot) but I do think it sounds like their dog got off the chain
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An RCMP strategist watched Megamind with his kid and thought "gee that would be a great way to look like a hero"
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Paul Palango, the first name in the Macleans piece byline, wrote a couple commentary pieces in the Halifax Examiner over the last month (I thought I recognized the name). They're more about background of the RCMP's incompetence than original reporting: Cracks are forming in the RCMP cone of silence Nova Scotia massacre: Did the RCMP “risk it out” one time too many? Not saying this moves me one way or the other on the Macleans piece about the cash. Palango does seem like someone you might tip off if you were a cop who suddenly located some buried morals? But they obviously have a relationship with the Examiner, and I put the Examiner's journalistic standards higher than Macleans, so I wonder if the Examiner passed on it.
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LOL if you think any editor would sign off on such an inflammatory article without fairly significant evidence.
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yess, here we go boys 🍞📈 https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1274465158220394496
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So uh, awkward question, do we free SSB for maybe being kinda right? I don't miss him at all, but like, it just kinda seems fair. I hate to even bring it up.
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free smoke sumthin bitch free baloogan free cultural imperial
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Virtual Russian posted:So uh, awkward question, do we free SSB for maybe being kinda right? I don't miss him at all, but like, it just kinda seems fair. After society degrades some more and we are all suicidal we can also invite back CM
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xtal posted:After society degrades some more and we are all suicidal we can also invite back CM I'm not suicidal anymore and I've been back for like 7 months lol
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This honestly explains so much
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Reality Protester posted:free smoke sumthin bitch too expensive, even at that price
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Juul-Whip posted:yess, here we go boys 🍞📈 I've never quite understood how anonymous banking is a thing that's allowed to happen. Like surely in a case like this the bank should be able to say who he got the money from, right?
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Reality Protester posted:free smoke sumthin bitch all power to the posters no masters no mods
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Entropic posted:Like surely in a case like this the bank should be able to say who he got the money from, right? Yes they can. This article is meaningless until they say where the money came from. "There’s no way a civilian can just make an arrangement like that" is absolutely incorrect. If you want a lot of cash and have the funds the bank will make arrangements for you after warning you that as soon as you take the cash then the bank isnt responsible if you get jacked, and it will be run through the currency centre since the branch doesnt want 1/2 million on site. If the funds came from a general ledger sure. But right now this is just blowing smoke.
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also “Brink’s does the FINTRAC paperwork saying it’s coming from us, it’s from a chartered bank, and the RCMP liaison at FINTRAC signs off, handles the paperwork,” said a source briefed on the system. “The RCMP guys clear it or they refer it for further investigation. They manually clear those FINTRAC reports coming from Brink’s related to paid agents.” is incorrect. Brinks doesnt report to FINTRAC, and there isn't threshold reporting on cash withdrawals. This article is very poorly written!!
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Ok Mountie
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Entropic posted:I've never quite understood how anonymous banking is a thing that's allowed to happen. Like surely in a case like this the bank should be able to say who he got the money from, right? Because the people who writes the law use such thing to receive bribes. More seriously I dont see many use cases other then shady dealing and at best hiding things from you spouse/family before a divorce kind of situation. Which is all borderline illegal.
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quote:Brinks doesnt report to FINTRAC, and there isn't threshold reporting on cash withdrawals. This article is very poorly written!! what does this bolded part mean. if I take out 500000 dollars in Canada in cash, the bank doesn’t have to report it? edited for clarity Starks has issued a correction as of 05:42 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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Ladies and gentlemen... we got him  https://twitter.com/ubc_students/status/1274536950578335745
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Starks posted:what does this bolded part mean. if I take out 500000 dollars in Canada in cash, the bank doesn’t have to report it? If it turns out though that the funds were from a general ledger not associated with a branch, then yeah RCMP.
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boba fetacheese posted:Correct. If the teller or currency centre employee thinks its weird (and they should), or if it flags on their monitoring system there will be a bank investigator who will file a STR if warranted, but that's totally different from LCTR which is receipt of cash only. Even then if some idiot dentist cashes out their investments they've had from years from business revenue would CIBC have filed if they were good with the source of funds? It's a judgement call. One they're probably reassessing in hindsight though! I do AML policy for a living and every article that mentions FINTRAC is worthless. It's publicly available what transactions have to be reported to them and who has to report (https://www.fintrac-canafe.gc.ca/reporting-declaration/rpt-eng). Why are you not allowed to submit a terrorist property report electronically? Do the terrorists control the internet!? 
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Rutibex posted:Why are you not allowed to submit a terrorist property report electronically? Do the terrorists control the internet!? TPRs are generally only for people designated as terrorists officially by the government ie. Bin Laden since that's when the reporting entity has a legal obligation to actually freeze the funds. So I guess they are rare enough FINTRAC didn't want to bother creating a webform for them? STRs would be used for the typical idiots who were busting out credit cards trying to get over to Syria to join ISIS or whatever poor souls the RCMP are trying to give a fake bomb to.
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Can you expand those acronyms a bit? Eta Not ISIS, the fintrac stuff
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TPRs are Terrorist Property Reports - like I said, those are filed when there's a positive match between funds in your possession and a designated person/entity. STRs are Suspicious Transaction Reports - that's the wider obligation that reporting entities (banks, money service businesses, casinos, etc) had to detect abuse of their services and report those details to FINTRAC. LCTRs/EFTRs are Large Cash Transaction/Electronic Fund Transfer Reports - those are threshold based reports on the receipt of cash and cross border movement of funds completely divorced from any concerns with the customers being reported. Its funny because last summer Finance updated the regs governing AML in Canada, and the end result is more data for each of these reports going to FINTRAC once they come into force, but of course it doesn't address the core problems in Canada: -FINTRAC can't keep up with the volumes of reports they receive (they do ~2000 disclosures to law enforcement per year... for STRs they receive 10s of thousands per month). FINTRAC has less total employees than each of the big 5 banks have dedicated to AML. -There is still no open corporate registry in Canada - "anonymous banking" isn't a thing, but for entities there is no way to authenticate beneficial ownership, and nominee directors are a thing here -A lack of appetite or competence by law enforcement to actually go after anything but the low hanging fruit
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I'm shocked, just shocked that the regulation of financial transactions and the investigation of white collar crime is poorly funded.
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Dreylad posted:I'm shocked, just shocked that the regulation of financial transactions and the investigation of white collar crime is poorly funded. don't you see that the RCMP needs this system of under-regulated anonymous banking to do their job?! are you a cop hater, Dreylad???
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Virtual Russian posted:So uh, awkward question, do we free SSB for maybe being kinda right? I don't miss him at all, but like, it just kinda seems fair. the hell was he right about
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Don Pigeon posted:don't you see that the RCMP needs this system of under-regulated anonymous banking to do their job?! n-no...!!
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https://twitter.com/globeandmail/status/1275032049796046850 Somalia affair was 25 years ago, but I'm sure the CF will finally start taking this seriously now. 
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Another Bill posted:https://twitter.com/globeandmail/status/1275032049796046850 My ex friend joined the airforce and became an alt right chud who has told me that I'll be his enemy in the coming race war as I'm a race traitor. He still has his rank.
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Killin_Like_Bronson posted:My ex friend joined the airforce and became an alt right chud who has told me that I'll be his enemy in the coming race war as I'm a race traitor. He still has his rank. I don't know anyone around the forces who doesn't openly acknowledge the widespread racism. This should be an Onion article.
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