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falun gong claims that there's still falun gong prisoners getting harvested but they probably ran out the economics of it apparently go like this: slave labor, which is the typical way to monetize genocide that the nazis did, takes a long time to roi and involves more risk, you need to feed peeps, etc. so that's the reasoning behind organ taking: time to roi but that's just a thing about advancedish economies doing genocide. so that's just gonna be a thing for that sort of country from now on
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The only thing I find difficult to believe about the CCP selling the organs of the people in it's racially based death camps is the industrial scale of it. Is the market for kidneys, livers, hearts etc. big enough to support the supposed amounts of organs that they are supposedly selling? Also what about blood type matches and the other difficult surgical type stuff that can easily make an organ unusable? Please don't misunderstand. The Uighurs are being intentionally genocided. Both culturally and physically. And I have no problem believing that there are a couple of millionaire sheiks, and high ranking party members with deth camp harvested organs floating about in them. But I wouldn't think there would be a global market big, rich, and shady enough to support the wholesale selling of inmate organs. However, saying all that, it is the CCP. So I could be easily persuaded.
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It's not really industrial. People with rank in the Party who need organs can always get one right away. Where those organs come from, who knows! We definitely don't harvest them anymore, we stated publicly that we stopped so it for sure doesn't happen ever.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's not really industrial. People with rank in the Party who need organs can always get one right away. Where those organs come from, who knows! We definitely don't harvest them anymore, we stated publicly that we stopped so it for sure doesn't happen ever. Well, it's not just party apparatchiks. Even foreigners with some cash are allowed to take part for those sweet, sweet Halal organs. A lot of "large scale" and "widespread" kinda descriptors used to describe it, which makes me curious how large an operation it is/was. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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big variety of possible needed organs means you need lots of peeps to search for a match then take their organs
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Chinese are very hesitant to even give blood let alone donate organs donor cycle or live. China does an absurd number of transplants iirc more than everyone else combined. Simple statistics and accounting screams the official numbers aren't remotely plausible even if you were to low ball that too. It's so bad even wilfully ignorant/naive doctors from the west were like "Oh poo poo" and 
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Big market in Saudi Arabia, from the sounds of it. Of course, none of this matters because it's not the US/EU that's doing it.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:big variety of possible needed organs means you need lots of peeps to search for a match then take their organs If you have a couple million to chose from... Escapees say one of the first things they do is draw your blood. Run the tests, throw it into a database and you're done. You don't need as many as you imply.
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oohhboy posted:Chinese are very hesitant to even give blood let alone donate organs donor cycle or live. China does an absurd number of transplants iirc more than everyone else combined. Simple statistics and accounting screams the official numbers aren't remotely plausible even if you were to low ball that too. It's so bad even wilfully ignorant/naive doctors from the west were like "Oh poo poo" and "Very hesitant" is putting it lightly. Some universities, companies, and government offices have to make blood donation mandatory since there is such an aversion to it, which is nothing compared to organ donation. The predominant feeling that I picked up in China is that signing up for organ donation is tempting the fates and basically asking them to cause you to die younger than you should. Being an organ donor is like putting a big target on your back and asking for something bad to happen. There is a (imo) greater than 99% chance that any organ you receive in or from China was without the consent of the original owner.
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Blistex posted:"Very hesitant" is putting it lightly. Some universities, companies, and government offices have to make blood donation mandatory since there is such an aversion to it, which is nothing compared to organ donation. The predominant feeling that I picked up in China is that signing up for organ donation is tempting the fates and basically asking them to cause you to die younger than you should. Being an organ donor is like putting a big target on your back and asking for something bad to happen. There is a (imo) greater than 99% chance that any organ you receive in or from China was without the consent of the original owner. :thatscommunism:
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My blood bank experience in Asia was going in once to donate in Korea and being told I wasn't allowed because "Koreans can't use foreign blood".
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A4R8 posted:What stupid legalist Grand Fromage posted:My blood bank experience in Asia was going in once to donate in Korea and being told I wasn't allowed because "Koreans can't use foreign blood". korea is socially equivalent to 1910s america, I think
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Shumagorath posted:uh guys the right wing vernacular is "socialist" now and "Lib" is flung from further left by socialists The people I know that identify as centrist tend to be the sort that are too ashamed to call themselves conservatives or Tories.
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Dont Touch ME posted:korea is socially equivalent to 1910s america, I think 1840s england
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GotLag posted:The clue is in his platinum icon Who gave him the fascist insignia?
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Having plat is a sign of excessive income and, hence, bourgeois consumer decadence mandating compassionate correction in a remote vocational facility behind several military checkpoints
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Fojar38 posted:Having plat is a sign of excessive income and, hence, bourgeois consumer decadence mandating compassionate correction in a remote vocational facility behind several military checkpoints you can't see it on the app, but on the website, he has a fasces instead of a grenade. i couldn't see it clearly without a shitload of zoom. 
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That's weird, wonder what its backstory is. Even if it's a joke it probably shouldn't be allowed (I think that the Hammer and Sickle plat icons shouldn't be allowed either btw)
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South Korea is light years more socially advanced than the PRC, which is still run the same way it was 500+ years ago, the emperor still lives in zhongnanhai but his title is different now and there are incidental changes to how the absolute monarch is picked and (maybe still) how long he holds power. Dictatorships are not modern societies, even if they have the superficial trappings of modernity, only democracies are.
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hakimashou posted:South Korea is light years more socially advanced than the PRC, which is still run the same way it was 500+ years ago, the emperor still lives in zhongnanhai but his title is different now and there are incidental changes to how the absolute monarch is picked and (maybe still) how long he holds power. America is not a democracy
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A4R8 posted:America is not a democracy so which rereg are you again
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GoutPatrol posted:so which rereg are you again The Russian one
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GoutPatrol posted:so which rereg are you again noted bit coiner aaro
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Grand Fromage posted:My blood bank experience in Asia was going in once to donate in Korea and being told I wasn't allowed because "Koreans can't use foreign blood". they didnt want blood from a place with healthcare so lovely you are likely to have diseases so long eradicated in normal countries that they dont have the ability to test for them hth
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Grand Fromage posted:My blood bank experience in Asia was going in once to donate in Korea and being told I wasn't allowed because "Koreans can't use foreign blood". korean blood death
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shovelbum posted:they didnt want blood from a place with healthcare so lovely you are likely to have diseases so long eradicated in normal countries that they dont have the ability to test for them hth As a Brit :whatho:, i have had this experience in both Denmark, and Taiwan. I didn't even bother to offer in China. BSE you see.
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