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Tarnop posted:That would include most of the CAG who, apparently, didn't know how commander is played, prompting the recent rule change. Jimmy and Josh (CAG member) had a point about this: they don't need more people who know the rules inside and out. They already have the RC, who are all old judges and poo poo. The reason for the CAG was to get input from those who more directly interface with the community. Besides, this is not like thinking that Mountainwalk stops Trample or something; this is a medium-arcane interaction of the rules.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:here's the 2013 ruling that used to apply Ah I didn’t know there was a specific ruling about it.
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I went back 40 something pages to where you were all posting your decks, and Framboise, if you have a deck list for your Queen Marchesa list I'd love to see it. I've run both a board wipe heavy list, and basically curse tribal and neither were quite what I was hoping for Magnetic North posted:Jimmy and Josh (CAG member) had a point about this: they don't need more people who know the rules inside and out. They already have the RC, who are all old judges and poo poo. The reason for the CAG was to get input from those who more directly interface with the community. This is a fair point. I think I just have a bad reaction to thinking about the CAG because, other than Josh, the ones I've heard talking seem to want a very different game than me and my friends
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Tarnop posted:I went back 40 something pages to where you were all posting your decks, and Framboise, if you have a deck list for your Queen Marchesa list I'd love to see it. I've run both a board wipe heavy list, and basically curse tribal and neither were quite what I was hoping for http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-rattlesnake-fortress-of-the-black-rose/ Usual reminder that this deck is only really effective in sluggish battlecruiser games and is severely outdated. I've been kicking around the idea of building a new version of the deck that I hope (but am very doubtful) can make it at least fringe cEDH playable. If not that, I have another idea that can just make it a really mean deck with a couple unique wincons.
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Jun 11, 2020 22:34
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Thanks, and I'd be very interested to hear about those decks if you make them. I love the Monarch mechanic so much, and would have it in every game if I could make my friends see the light. Maybe I need to buy a crown
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Jun 11, 2020 22:42
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I won't spoil the not-cEDH* idea I have just yet. I want to see what a draft of the deck looks like first. (Note: I'll be optimizing the build with cEDH in mind, but whether or not it's viable... it probably is not but it'll be *hilarious* if it is.)
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I picked up (well, reserved) a Primal Genesis Precon for €25, and I have always liked that basic deck. Not looking to expend it too much, planning to throw like 25-30 more bucks at it in total. All the token doublers are those 20+ BUX cards  But a lot of the Populate effect cards are cheap. 
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It's hosed up and dumb that Anointed Procession and/or Parallel Lives weren't in Primal Genesis I can understand WoTC not wanting to reprint Doubling Season in a precon(the reason is that they're bastards that value the secondary market too much), but those two would have been fine. Silhouette fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 06:22
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They're kinda hosed with some secondary market cards. Like Fierce Guardianship is so expensive that the deck with it it sold out everywhere and not available for MSRP. If Doubling Season was in a precon, speculators would run on it and it's still gonna cost too much because the decks themselves go up in price from unscrupulous retailers and resellers.
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Jun 13, 2020 06:33
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That kind of brilliant foresight goes all the way back to the first commander precons and scavenging ooze. The Fierce cycle was such a perfect shitstorm that I can see them showing up again at the very least in the Zendikar precons in an effort to drive the price down.
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Jun 13, 2020 06:45
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the new precon that has the counter that's free if your commander is out has been completely sold out for awhile now thanks to that, and was going for like $70 where they still had stock i'd say that's nuts, but that counter's now something like a $40 card, so it makes sense really
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It’s simply too good. They printed a blue card that’s more universally applicable than Cyclonic Rift for crying out loud!
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It's bizarre that they reprint cards that are too scarce (and expensive) but increase the rarity to Mythic so the price doesn't drop at all. Or put them as Mythics in $20 collectors and Masters packs. Is it too much to ask that they just print staples as uncommon and rare and let the price be $5-$10, even if it was priced higher for a little while?
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Infinite Karma posted:It's bizarre that they reprint cards that are too scarce (and expensive) but increase the rarity to Mythic so the price doesn't drop at all. Or put them as Mythics in $20 collectors and Masters packs. Is it too much to ask that they just print staples as uncommon and rare and let the price be $5-$10, even if it was priced higher for a little while? "We don't acknowledge the secondary market", they say as they directly choose expensive cards and make only expensive ways to get them.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:the new precon that has the counter that's free if your commander is out has been completely sold out for awhile now thanks to that, and was going for like $70 where they still had stock If you're willing to go out to a big box store there's a good chance to find them there on a Friday or Saturday when they do the restock. I just picked up Timeless Wisdom for msrp past Saturday at a local target. And they've already said they're doing a second larger print run this summer since the initial one was cut short due to Corona. I'm just curious if a bunch of the precon Commanders will be downshifted in rarity for Commander Legends. Keeping a lot out because they're artificially mythic seems like it would make the set stumble a bit.
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Infinite Karma posted:It's bizarre that they reprint cards that are too scarce (and expensive) but increase the rarity to Mythic so the price doesn't drop at all. Or put them as Mythics in $20 collectors and Masters packs. Is it too much to ask that they just print staples as uncommon and rare and let the price be $5-$10, even if it was priced higher for a little while? tbqh the price doesn't always fail to drop, especially if you consider "minimum price to play card X" instead of "price of a NM P3K card X" this post made by Maze of Ith Used To Be $40 Gang EDIT: obviously reprint rarity affects it, but the printing that dropped it to $20 was From the Vault LordSaturn fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Magnetic North posted:Jimmy and Josh (CAG member) had a point about this: they don't need more people who know the rules inside and out. They already have the RC, who are all old judges and poo poo. The reason for the CAG was to get input from those who more directly interface with the community. I don't know. You would expect a member of the CAG to have played with enough of the community that someone would've pointed out they were playing their commander's death effect wrong. Every random group I've played commander with already understood how replacement effects work. The old rule was not "medium-arcane." That said, this change is pretty cool, and I kinda want to put Child of Alara back together without all the reanimation effects that used to be required to make it playable.
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All I can say is that in the last 2 years I’ve had the bummer of explaining to 2 new players (both of whom were women with their first Commander decks!) that “Elenda didn’t quite work that way, but we’ll be happy to play with you using those rules because honestly that’s how it should work.” and that was a very dumb conversation to have and now we don’t have to have it.
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So I’ve been making some commander YouTube content for a few weeks and just finished a video for next week about the Top 5 cards Wizards needs to reprint next. By the time I edited the video and today wizards announced 4 of 5 of those cards to be in Jumpstart. I was harsh about Double Masters (rightly so) but if they keep up the reprints like in Jumpstart and M21 we’re in a good place.
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Balon posted:So I’ve been making some commander YouTube content for a few weeks and just finished a video for next week about the Top 5 cards Wizards needs to reprint next. Pick a pile, any pile. Chrome Mox Mana Crypt Mana Vault Mox Opal Phyrexian Arena Enlightened Tutor Demonic Tutor Vampiric Tutor Mystical Tutor Worldly Tutor Concordant Crossroads Mana Echoes Food Chain Sylvan Library Stasis SDT Scroll Rack Krark-Clan Ironworks Cursed Totem Jet Medallion Tainted Pact Toxic Deluge Mana Drain Ad Nauseum Damnation Hermit Druid Dockside Extortionist Selvala, Heart of the Wilds Bloom Tender Oracle of Mul Daya Three Visits Ravages of War Capture of Jingzhou Hunting Cheetah Control of the Court Ancient Tomb Tarnished Citadel Command Beacon Cavern of Souls Reflecting Pool Basandra, Battle Seraph Sydri, Galvanic Genius Echo of Eons Enter the Infinite Force of Will Carpet of Flowers Carpet of Flowers Carpet of Flowers Carpet of Flowers Carpet of Flowers
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Toshimo posted:Pick a pile, any pile. The "wait, these aren't Reserve List?!" pile for sure.
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Selvala and Oracle of Mul Daya have been announced for Jumpstart. Oracle was on my original list. With more Jumpstart spoilers pending I’m going to hold off on re-recording until they’re done. As a note I’ve already done a list on Top 5 lands to be reprinted, Top 5 artifacts to be reprinted, and Top 5 “double” themed reprints.
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Carpet of Flowers has come down a lot. I'm surprised it took so long for people to discover it, I bought it in early 2018 for like 5 bucks
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Heath posted:Carpet of Flowers has come down a lot. I'm surprised it took so long for people to discover it, I bought it in early 2018 for like 5 bucks It's only good if your opponents are good.
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the only thing i hate about my lord windgrace deck is when i drop a prismatic omen or dryad of the ilysian groves and then someone plays carpet of flowers
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I've been having fun with my Marchesa's Grixis Goblins deck, but it needs some help. In addition to making a spot for Muxus (who seems perfect for it), what would you cut? I want to add more counters to protect my combos. I want to make room for Counterspell, Annul, and Negate at the minimum. It usually wins with Splinter Twinnish things or goblin go-wide. I have yet to hit Grenzo/Soldevi Digger/Ashnod's Altar/Murderous Redcap but that's too fun not to try for. Any other recommendations would be welcome.
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Pantsless Hero posted:I've been having fun with my Marchesa's Grixis Goblins deck, but it needs some help. In addition to making a spot for Muxus (who seems perfect for it), what would you cut? I want to add more counters to protect my combos. I want to make room for Counterspell, Annul, and Negate at the minimum. It usually wins with Splinter Twinnish things or goblin go-wide. I have yet to hit Grenzo/Soldevi Digger/Ashnod's Altar/Murderous Redcap but that's too fun not to try for. Any other recommendations would be welcome. Rite, Digger, Bidding, Wash Out, Trumpeter, Zo-Zu
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Anyone have any budget Locust God lists? Specifically looking for sub-$100 if at all possible. Finally order the Jeskai cycling precon and figured I'd build my favorite commander of all time before moving on to the shark bros.
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serefin99 posted:Anyone have any budget Locust God lists? Specifically looking for sub-$100 if at all possible. Finally order the Jeskai cycling precon and figured I'd build my favorite commander of all time before moving on to the shark bros. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2vibFdU3Lo
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The Locust God Skullclamp Trinket Mage 90 Island 7 Mountain Probably the best starting position
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I don't recommend this, or basically any, Commander's Quarters lists. They are a quick way to spend $25 on absolute trash that you'll spend $50 immediately replacing because it doesn't work.
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Toshimo posted:I don't recommend this, or basically any, Commander's Quarters lists. They are a quick way to spend $25 on absolute trash that you'll spend $50 immediately replacing because it doesn't work. Oh, bummer. I thought he was well-regarded as a youtube person.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Oh, bummer. I thought he was well-regarded as a youtube person. He is, Toshimo just likes to push players towards higher powered lists and cards that are good in multiple decks. Commander’s Quarters is a great budget resource and his video on 5-Color budget manabases really helped me out with my 5-Color eldrazi build. That said a handful of his most recent videos have been terrible, but he’s also one of the only people in the community pushing “3 mana is not ramp” right now and that’s a good thing.
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I am of the mind that you don't need to break the bank with every deck, but if you spend a dollar or two on a card that you'll use in multiple decks for years, then that's a better investment than a 1-off 25-cent card that isn't even good in the deck you are buying it for. I didn't start getting people linking me CQ videos until recently, and the ones I've seen have been not good. Edit: I also don't know where he gets his prices, but they seem to skew lower than I'd expect. Basically, because of the cost of labor and shipping, basically any card worth even considering has had a price floor of ~25 cents for quite a while now, and it may not seem like much when he adds a bunch of cards at 5 to 10 cents, but when you spread difference that over a 99 card deck, his "$25 budget decks" are typically closer to $100 decks, which is what I tell people to budget for, anyway. Toshimo fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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CQ has lost a lot of my favor over the past while. He used to build some really solid decks that actually had some nice punch to them (his Zada and Edric lists come to mind), but lately it feels like he's been making up lists that are even more bulky than precons.
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Bust Rodd posted:That said a handful of his most recent videos have been terrible, but he’s also one of the only people in the community pushing “3 mana is not ramp” right now and that’s a good thing. Yeah, this is key. I think he's been grinding the algo a bit hard and is having trouble maintaining what made him good a year ago, but at the same point he gets it in a lot of ways that other creators don't (or have been slow to realize). I hope he finds a way to come out of the skid and do well. I'm also with Tosh: it'd be great if he had a video series that is like, "What cards are decently priced that will you actually re-use?" Of course, in reality, they would all just be lands and artifact ramp.
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That's one thing I like a lot about cEDH. We've got a list of staples that belong in a ton of decks, and if you have them, you won't have to buy much should you want to try something new. Sure, playing the best staples does lead to a little homogeneity in the format but I don't think that's bad when you're using the cream of the crop. Does casual EDH also have a list of staples, or is it more "make the best of what you've got"? Because I figure there'd be a lot of overlap with cEDH staples since a lot of those cards aren't actually all that expensive. Like yeah you've got the expensive tutors and rocks and lands but you've also got cheaper tutors, talismans and signets, removal like swords to plowshares and nature's claim, etc. I'd venture to say one could build a completely serviceable and very solid deck on a budget. Kind of want to give it a try just as proof of concept.
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Magnetic North posted:I'm also with Tosh: it'd be great if he had a video series that is like, "What cards are decently priced that will you actually re-use?" Of course, in reality, they would all just be lands and artifact ramp. Sure, I do this every few months. Here's a bunch of sub-$2 that you'd get mileage out of (and none of it is ramp). You'd be amazed looking at some of my older posts where I begged people to pick up stuff that was not reprinted and way under rate and now that stuff is $10 or $20 (or, in the case of Tainted Pact, $75). Aegis of the Gods Arguel's Blood Fast Artifact Mutation Ashiok, Dream Render Aven Mindcensor Beast Within Blink of an Eye Brainstorm Cindervines Counterspell Crop Rotation Daretti, Scrap Savant Despark Destiny Spinner Dismember Domri, Anarch of Bolas Dovin's Veto Dovin, Hand of Control Drannith Magistrate Drift of Phantasms Drown in the Loch Elemental Bond Faithless Looting Frantic Search Go For the Throat Goblin Electromancer Grim Haruspex Hammer of Purphoros Hull Breach Hushbringer Hushwing Gryff Impulse Into the Roil Izzet Charm Kinjalli's Sunwing Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner Lavinia, Azorius Renegade Leonin Arbiter Manglehorn Miscalculation Mission Briefing Mother of Runes Muddle the Mixture Nahiri, the Harbinger Narset, Parter of Veils Nature's Claim Negate Night's Whisper Nissa, steard of Elements Notion Thief Oakhame Adversary Phyrexian Revoker Plaguecrafter Pyroclasm Qasali Pridemage Reality Shift Reclamation Sage Return to Nature Rhythm of the Wild Saheeli, Sublime Artificer Snap Snuff Out Spell Pierce Stony Silence Swords to Plowshares Tamiyo, Collector of Tales Terminate Teyo, the Shieldmage Thrashing Brontodon Thrummingbird Treasure Mage Tribute Mage Trinket Mage Trophy Mage Trygon Predator Unspeakable Symbol Unwind Viscera Seer Vivien, Champion of the Wilds
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Honestly, there are a lot of $2-$5 "staples" that will be very reusable, but at that price range, you can't build a $100 deck from nothing. Stuff like Sol Ring, Skullclamp, Underworld Breach, Arcane Signet cost more than $0.25 bulk commons/uncommons, but they'll always be able to find a home in your decks instead of being the first cuts you make. Good countermagic, card draw/tutors, and removal will also get reused a lot.
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I whipped together a Budget Kinnan deck as sort of a proof of concept that you can build a playable deck and not destroy your wallet. I'd consider this to be an entry-level cEDH deck as I included a large number of staples, but very few actually expensive ones (I think the only ones I added that were over $10 were Finale of Devastation and Isochron Scepter?). Deck price comes to about $180-- cheaper than some individual cards in budgetless cEDH decks! I didn't put way too much thought into it, so I'm sure the other cEDH-minded folks here can give more ideas/thoughts on what could be changed or made better as I'm surely missing some great options. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/THuYSrB-HkGV5wkvUpZvqQ Cards in the list that you could use in other decks as staples: Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy Narset, Parter of Veils Arbor Elf Biomancer's Familiar Birds of Paradise Destiny Spinner Elvish Mystic Eternal Witness Fyndhorn Elves Llanowar Elves Oakhame Adversary Phyrexian Revoker Priest of Titania Seedborn Muse Thassa's Oracle Tidal Barracuda Eldritch Evolution Finale of Devastation Gitaxian Probe Neoform Ponder Preordain Regrowth Windfall Autumn's Veil Brainstorm Blink of an Eye/Into the Roil (I only put one in the list, feel free to buy and use both as they are both incredibly cheap and very much identical Counterspell Delay Dispel Dramatic Reversal Fact or Fiction Impulse Misdirection Muddle the Mixture Nature's Claim Negate Spell Pierce Stroke of Genius Veil of Summer Whir of Invention Winds of Rebuke Arcane Signet Basalt Monolith Codex Shredder Isochron Scepter Pithing Needle Simic Signet Sol Ring Talisman of Curiosity Back to Basics Defense of the Heart Kenrith's Transformation Legacy's Allure Utopia Sprawl Wild Growth Command Tower Exotic Orchard Yavimaya Coast 59 of the cards are staples that you can play in any other deck. Some of the others work in some decks. Framboise fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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