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Arcsquad12 posted:Degenerates like him belong on a cross. ![]()
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Every time that I play New Vegas one of the things that makes me ![]() I think the reveal of Bitter Springs and the tragedy around it would have packed a lot more of a punch and made it harder to support the NCR in the Mojave if the people massacred weren't, y'know, raider scumfucks who the player avatar has been fighting in all three of the West Coast Fallout games. But I guess then it wouldn't have been a reference to a previous game and apparently you need to have more of those. EDIT: Bitter Springs could have even been survivors/descendants of the Arroyo tribe, really.
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Truth is ...I was a sext pest from the start.
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omg chael crash posted:Truth is ...I was a sext pest from the start.
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And like Dead Moneys sorta misery porn when it comes to Christine was pretty telling too
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Everyone who touched the Sierra Madre had a cursed life. Sinclair, Vera, Dean, Dog, Christine, Elijah. Ulysses had it right. He was willing to excavate the radioactive wastes of the Divide, but only an idiot would ever go to the Sierra Madre.
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oh jay posted:Everyone who touched the Sierra Madre had a cursed life. Sinclair, Vera, Dean, Dog, Christine, Elijah. Getting there is not the hard part.
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NorgLyle posted:Every time that I play New Vegas one of the things that makes me ![]()
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oh jay posted:Everyone who touched the Sierra Madre had a cursed life. Sinclair, Vera, Dean, Dog, Christine, Elijah. You'll have to speak up, I can't hear you over the sound of this kickass pump-action laser rifle and endless supply of weapon repair kits that I made from a pile of old clothes and cigarettes.
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Randaconda posted:I like the Great Khans I do too but I think NorgLyle has a point
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Man, I kind of wish I'd never known that poo poo about Avellone, but now that I do I hope the fucker gets what's coming to him ![]()
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CommissarMega posted:Man, I kind of wish I'd never known that poo poo about Avellone, but now that I do I hope the fucker gets what's coming to him My guess: he'll be shamed out of the industry for a year or three and then slowly worm his way back in to the point where it will be like nothing happened. The Louis CK approach.
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Considering how thin skinned "prestige" writers in the games industry have recently been with Druckmann getting all huffy about people mocking the Schindler's List comparison, I'd sooner expect to see them circling the wagons than ousting a known quantity like Avellone. Names and brands are what a lot of game companies run on, so I can guess we'll see a response of the worst kind in the near future with a "sorry you feel that way" non apology.
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Slowpoke Rodriguez posted:Getting there is not the hard part.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Considering how thin skinned "prestige" writers in the games industry have recently been with Druckmann getting all huffy about people mocking the Schindler's List comparison, I'd sooner expect to see them circling the wagons than ousting a known quantity like Avellone. Names and brands are what a lot of game companies run on, so I can guess we'll see a response of the worst kind in the near future with a "sorry you feel that way" non apology. Three studios have already cut ties with Avellone, so he's definitely not getting through this unscathed (of course he was probably already paid for all that). But definitely wouldn't be surprised to see an apology tour followed by Avellone getting more work now that it's all "been addressed."
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Randaconda posted:I like the Great Khans
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Idk that Khan kid who just wanted to do poetry seemed alright
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NorgLyle posted:I like the tribe in New Vegas a lot and I enjoy their content. I don't get why they wanted to link them to the guys who kidnapped Tandi and menaced Shady Sands, though (outside of just a 'hey I remember that from the first game' thing). Ostensible bad guys who may in fact have a complicated reason for being seen as amoral/bad, and who might actually be good despite their predecessors' atrocities, is exactly the kind of grey-area approach we should probably expect from a team who understands nuance. I know it's cool to poo poo on Obsidian now for Outer Worlds but hues of grey is something the New Vegas writers really understood, and that sort of holistic approach to a person's or people's value is very hard to find right now. Eason the Fifth fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jun 24, 2020 |
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NorgLyle posted:I like the tribe in New Vegas a lot and I enjoy their content. I don't get why they wanted to link them to the guys who kidnapped Tandi and menaced Shady Sands, though (outside of just a 'hey I remember that from the first game' thing). hey remember that group that might have more depth than the dudes you just get to murder
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I remember going to rescue Tandi and getting shot in the back by Ian in the first round of combat. Which was a good introduction to the game
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One of the interesting things that this discussion has made me realize is that there are actually a lot of parallels between the Great Khans and Caesar's Legion and I wonder if that is intentional. They're both large disparate groups pulled together by a single charismatic leader who leads them out of their original homelands and into the Mojave. They're both united under an older flag that the leader thinks they understand and see as a way of unifying their followers from all sorts of different backgrounds. And they both run afoul of the NCR and, if you complete Eureka!, likely end up in a very similar situation moving into the future. Huh.
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War... war never changes.
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I gotta say though, it totally makes sense for a group to create a whole ethnic identity and culture over a period of 200 years. There have been ethnic groups that have formed in less time than that in real life.
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Jamie Faith posted:
I think it's a question of how bad people have to be before you decide they aren't worth basic human decency. The Khans have been raiders in the past, and now work the chems trade. So it's fine to shoot non-combatants at Bitter Springs and herd them on to reservations? If you follow the NCR path and don't get the Khans to leave the region that is exactly what the NCR will do to them. Does their past as raiders justify that?
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Servetus posted:Does their past as raiders justify that? Bitter-Root tells you about his father taking him along to murder NCR people. It’s not a thing of their past. The Khans as a group are a bunch of raiders.
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I have to admit that even in FO1 and FO2 I never envisioned the Khans wearing horn helmets. Those things are cornier than any of the Legion signifiers, IMO. For all its Latin and football pad armor, the Legion tracks as singularly weird and deranged, whereas there’s still just a whiff of the “tribal” affectation to the Khans that doesn’t quite sit right.
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Raygereio posted:Papa Khan himself tells you that the Khans were raiding NCR civilians and were ignoring demands from the NCR to stop. The thing is being an NCR settler sometimes involves sticking the flag above the only water source for days and murdering any locals ("raiders!") who try to use their own water supply for not being NCR citizens; talk to Chief Hanlon about that. Anyway the discussion upthread was about the Khans' actions back in the old Fallout games. The horned helmets are very silly though. Edit: I'm not being very clear. Basically what the Khans were doing to Shady Sands back in Fallout 1 was unprovoked aggression; but I have a hard time condemning any group for wanting to defend themselves against NCR given what we know about the NCR's expansion. So I don't see the title of "raider" as automatically worse than being a soldier of an expansionist and imperialist state. Servetus fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jun 25, 2020 |
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Basic Chunnel posted:I have to admit that even in FO1 and FO2 I never envisioned the Khans wearing horn helmets. Those things are cornier than any of the Legion signifiers, IMO. For all its Latin and football pad armor, the Legion tracks as singularly weird and deranged, whereas there’s still just a whiff of the “tribal” affectation to the Khans that doesn’t quite sit right.
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The horned helmets are an affectation. A major theme of F:NV is "recreating the new world in the image of the old", with many factions, major and minor, adopting the aesthetics and traditions of a dead culture in an effort to find a new place in the world.
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Mr House is born today.
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Basic Chunnel posted:I have to admit that even in FO1 and FO2 I never envisioned the Khans wearing horn helmets. Those things are cornier than any of the Legion signifiers, IMO. For all its Latin and football pad armor, the Legion tracks as singularly weird and deranged, whereas there’s still just a whiff of the “tribal” affectation to the Khans that doesn’t quite sit right. The khans really don't have a great idea of who they should be, at this point in the story. They're susceptible to suggestion, and have some good internal conflict over the matter. That's part of what makes their interaction with the legion interesting, because they do have strong parallels but also strong contrasts. Legion is perfectly happy to solve their dilemma by eating them up and entirely destroying whatever culture they had or thought they had or thought they wanted.
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one of the things about the death throes of something awful that makes me sad is I won't have this space to talk about a decade old game that I play all the time anyhow any more
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Byzantine posted:Mr House is born today. No wonder he’s so nuts
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https://twitter.com/JuiceHead33/status/1276122972948840448?s=20
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I really like the good karma Mr. House ending, probably my second favorite after good karma wild card
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happy birthday to this future leader of humanity ![]()
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Man House must be hell of easy to buy for, just grab him any tatty Snowglobe with a vague theme and he's happy.
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I'm going to try to be active on BNR, so if anyone wants to make a F:NV thread over there, I will try to answer any dev-related questions that come up. You can still always ask at my tumblr, as well: https://jesawyer.tumblr.com/
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rope kid posted:I'm going to try to be active on BNR, so if anyone wants to make a F:NV thread over there, I will try to answer any dev-related questions that come up. Thanks for everything. Really, you're my favorite game developer, and I still have a lot of affection for Kojima, so that's a hard contest to win. Also: (INT 3) What's Be En Arr? Aoi fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jun 25, 2020 |
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