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JBP posted:Are you for real? The point is that the scars rape children. Lev isn't the only child this has happened to.
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Endorph posted:Krem is decent but I dislike how when he hints that he's trans your only dialogue options are three different flavors of 'duhhhh, what do you mean?' Yeah, that part sucks. I would've loved an option like that, or just being able to be like "Me too," like you can do with Dorian if you play a gay character, man or woman.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:01
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JBP posted:Are you for real? The point is that the scars rape children. Lev isn't the only child this has happened to. You're the one that tied his being a trans man to the fact that he had no option but to run. That's what everyone was quoting you going "What are you talking about" for. Peacoffee posted:Lol I read this in a very American accent Jim Sterling's video about it had a bunch of quotes from people praising Heavy Rain when it came out and I honestly think recency bias might be the most powerful force in the universe.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:02
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Do you think if the character were a cis woman they would have had an option besides running? Lev is the only one we meet. The children are brainwashed to do what they're told. His own mother was happy to do this. The other children that have been wedded to elders would have been taken to the wedding and that's that. I'm sure plenty have tried to run or tried to get out of it, but we know what happens when you disobey the rules. Lev is very lucky to have escaped and also to have found a friend that accepts him as is. How does you brain go "this person thinks Lev was fortunate to get out and shaving his head due to being trans was the catalyst, therefore this person thinks raping cis women is fine"?
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Jun 24, 2020 03:03
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Endorph posted:yes but what does being trans have to do with it. their only option out of it was to run either way There is a clear option to consign yourself to your fate or accept it is a role you must play for your people. Lev's identity and shaving his head caused the scars to target him so he ran from them. A child being wedded is probably not keenly aware of what that will mean versus adults trying to beat or kill them.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:05
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JBP posted:How does you brain go "this person thinks Lev was fortunate to get out and shaving his head due to being trans was the catalyst, therefore this person thinks raping cis women is fine"?
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Jun 24, 2020 03:07
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JBP posted:Lev is the only one we meet. The children are brainwashed to do what they're told. His own mother was happy to do this. The other children that have been wedded to elders would have been taken to the wedding and that's that. I'm sure plenty have tried to run or tried to get out of it, but we know what happens when you disobey the rules. Lev is very lucky to have escaped and also to have found a friend that accepts him as is. JBP posted:I thought Lev's gender was completely secondary to the fact that he was going to be raped by an adult either way. If anything being trans saved him since he had no option but to run. It's this, JBP. This sentence right here is weird and makes no sense and has the very casual corollary of "If he was a cis woman he would have had other options". And you still havent explained what you meant by it.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:08
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Regardless of the number who disagree, this game will have more people consider it among the best games ever released than anything else that comes out this year It's June
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Jun 24, 2020 03:08
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It's this, JBP. This sentence right here is weird and makes no sense and has the very casual corollary of "If he was a cis woman he would have had other options". And you still havent explained what you meant by it. The threat of violence or betrothal turned into people actually coming at him to hurt him. That is when he ran. That's what happened in Lev's story. Other kids probably also ran and died in the process. I explained that the other option is to accept what your mother and your people have told you and take the assigned role. Lev wanted to serve the cult as a warrior, rather than a wife. He is still a cult member, but he wanted another method of service to them. Endorph posted:do you. do you think hed have been cool with the rape if he was a cis woman? Why is this framed fearfully instead of as a normal question if it was meant to be a normal question?
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Jun 24, 2020 03:11
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Peacoffee posted:Lol I read this in a very American accent Aussie FalconImpala posted:It's June
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Jun 24, 2020 03:20
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Don’t forget that Lev’s sister was a warrior. There were definitely female warriors.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:24
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zelah posted:Don’t forget that Lev’s sister was a warrior. There were definitely female warriors. Yep. I'm sure there were no shortage of cult kids genuinely taken by the idea of being a leader's wife as well.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:27
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Endorph posted:https://twitter.com/Neil_Druckmann/status/1275103339907178496 dude needs to learn how to shut the gently caress up and let his publicist deal with things instead of getting all elon musk on twitter
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Jun 24, 2020 03:36
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Look if you want to bankroll a remake of this where the characters walk around on barren settings with outlines of environments marked and named in chalk ala Lars von Triers Dogville yea I'd play it i would so play a dogville version of this game
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Jun 24, 2020 03:37
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I’m beginning to suspect that Stux isn’t a poster but a wandering spirit that flits between unbanned usernames.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:37
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Jack B Nimble posted:I've been thinking a lot about this game, Bioshock Infinite, and other AAA games with aspirations of "traditional" artistic sophistication. Individual components of the games can have artistic merit, like the music in Bioshock Infinite or the vocal work in TLOU, but the sum of the whole is a bland corporate product. especially when we can get a great story and game from a studio with a handful of people like Gone Home.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:39
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Aussie Again, you're appealing to mass as if it means anything. A large number of people have loved many a popular thing. It didn't make their quality any less poo poo. You're not arguing the games strengths, you are arguing people are wrong for disliking it because "Well other people like it."
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Jun 24, 2020 03:40
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FalconImpala posted:There's a venn diagram of "this game is a 10/10 masterpiece" and "it's pretty" and it's real round
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Jun 24, 2020 03:40
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JBP posted:Why is this framed fearfully instead of as a normal question if it was meant to be a normal question?
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Jun 24, 2020 03:41
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Endorph posted:the repetition was meant to imply confusion not fear dude, seriously, chill Do you actually think anyone would reply to your question with "yes I think if he was a cis woman he would have been fine with being raped"? It wasn't a real question.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:45
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Jim Sterling's video about it had a bunch of quotes from people praising Heavy Rain when it came out and I honestly think recency bias might be the most powerful force in the universe. GTAIV as Jim mentioned is the one that sticks with me. You could not say anything bad about that game for a while after it came out and what really got me was people deriding Saints Row 2 as a bad, immature knockoff title when now, looking back, thats basically completely flipped.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:45
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doingitwrong posted:This is true. this is why i liked death stranding and most of what kojima has done. you can almost always get through most of his games without killing anyone if you want which gives you alot more control over your character. the forced killing in this is just frustrating, in my opinion, and not necessary to get the point across unless the only point was to make us hate ellie. sure, its a revenge tale and about the cycle of violence, but theres no depth beyond that. noone learns anything and youre forced to not learn anything with them. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jun 24, 2020 |
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Jun 24, 2020 03:46
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Onmi posted:Again, you're appealing to mass as if it means anything. A large number of people have loved many a popular thing. It didn't make their quality any less poo poo. You're not arguing the games strengths, you are arguing people are wrong for disliking it because "Well other people like it." That's literally not what I'm saying, I'm just saying calling it a failure on the level of andromeda, anthem or ride to hell is absurd The Last Jedi comparison is apt whether you're a fan or hater of that movie and/or this game, it's a divisive success
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Jun 24, 2020 03:48
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JBP posted:Do you actually think anyone would reply to your question with "yes I think if he was a cis woman he would have been fine with being raped"? It wasn't a real question.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:48
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Harrow posted:Anyway all of this just makes me want to play Disco Elysium again so I can bask in the better writing.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:48
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Sir Tonk posted:this is why i liked death stranding and most of what kojima has done. you can almost always get through most of his games without killing anyone if you want which gives you alot more control over your character. It sounds like the state of some things change depending on what you do while playing. Nothing really impactful of course but stuff like the body bags. I'd be interested to see if there were more things like that, but it's kind of the only situation that springs to mind.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:50
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Peachfart posted:Comparing TLoU2 to Mad Max: Fury Road is almost criminal.
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Jun 24, 2020 03:52
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Real hurthling! posted:The last half of the game is the scene from mgs3 with all the dead ghosts you killed, only 12 hours long and still in a bad game
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Jun 24, 2020 03:54
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:That's literally not what I'm saying, I'm just saying calling it a failure on the level of andromeda, anthem or ride to hell is absurd Oh... of course it's a success, anyone who thought this game wasn't going to sell is loving absurd. I made that point in the first few pages that there's no way this isn't well-reviewed and selling well. I find it interesting that the divide is not along the typical lines. And the amount of content produced from it is typically indicative of a Dragon Age 2 or Andromeda. It's just in this case the produced content isn't "Showing off the games buggy animations" but picking scenes from it to highlight and meme, mostly out of unintended hilarity. Punchposting is one that is horrifying in-game context and absurdly hilarious without it. The issue with the venn diagram is it always comes with the also overlapping circle of "And it only looks this good because of Naughty Dogs horrific culture that chews up and spits out developers like meat to the slaughter house."
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punk rebel ecks posted:Hey remember how Metal Gear Solid V was suppose to be the Breaking Bad of gaming, but Big Boss never even went bad and you didn't even play as Big Boss. that and he was only like halfway done with it when they cut off his funding and made him just end it. MGSV ended like The Prisoner, abruptly
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JBP posted:It sounds like the state of some things change depending on what you do while playing. Nothing really impactful of course but stuff like the body bags. I'd be interested to see if there were more things like that, but it's kind of the only situation that springs to mind. I really expected the Abby hospital body bags scene to be «we don’t know who killed these people, but it’s not scars» but nah. I thought the Abby parts would have her slowly realize Ellie is hunting her, but there is no overlap until she finds Alice.
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davejk posted:I do wonder if the build the leaker had ended with the basement scene. That could definitely lead you to conclude that Ellie dies, because her and Dina are both bleeding out on the floor and Tommy is shot in the head, and I'm still not entirely clear on how they get from there to living happily on a farm hundreds of miles away before the rest of the ending happens. or how tommy survives being shot in the face without a hospital anywhere close.
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Hideo kojima is a dumb writer and the big fanboys are even dumber.
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ymgve posted:I really expected the Abby hospital body bags scene to be «we don’t know who killed these people, but it’s not scars» but nah. I thought the Abby parts would have her slowly realize Ellie is hunting her, but there is no overlap until she finds Alice. This is one of the more disappointing things for me looking back. There is some scuttlebutt re intruders going on as Abby travels around, but their journeys are very seperate until you shamble into Tommy's killzone. Thinking it through if you were just retreading Ellie's path or if that was Abby's main priority it would have made her plotline weaker. I was kind of expecting Abby to escape the hospital boss only to find that it was mayhem outside and the sounds of everyone trying to shoot down Ellie as she chased Nora. What each character does day by day has some nice correlates though.
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Panzeh posted:Hideo kojima is a dumb writer and the big fanboys are even dumber. Kojima is a dumb writer but his games are engrossing and cool and I'd rather sit through a million "SIT DOWN FOR HALF AN HOUR WHILE I TALK ABOUT THIS COOL poo poo I JUST READ ABOUT" cutscenes than something that bores me.
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Jun 24, 2020 04:03
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Panzeh posted:Hideo kojima is a dumb writer and the big fanboys are even dumber. He makes excellent gameplay to story decisions though.
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:Regardless of the number who disagree, this game will have more people consider it among the best games ever released than anything else that comes out this year other than maybe Cyberpunk And?
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Jun 24, 2020 04:04
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JBP posted:He makes excellent gameplay to story decisions though. Which is why he makes you fight Cliff several times in his walking simulator or make you wait two hours before you even really get to begin.
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Harrow posted:Since this seems like the "discuss what the hell is going on at Naughty Dog" thread, these tweets might be of some interest. The writer who reported about Amy Hennig leaving Naughty Dog saying that the editors forced a gossip/"she was forced out" angle into the story that wasn't backed up by the reporting and left him to take the fallout: lol of course
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Panzeh posted:Which is why he makes you fight Cliff several times in his walking simulator or make you wait two hours before you even really get to begin. I didn't mind fighting Cliff all those times given the reason he's showing up is because he's your dad and he misses you E: unless you mean the ratio of gameplay to story. I guess that's up to what you enjoy, I meant more that his gameplay decisions usually service the narrative and his themes really well. JBP fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Jun 24, 2020 |
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